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peb
10-05-2016, 07:28 AM
Another humiliation for the Obama administration. Support an agreement worked out by details, that provides former terrorists complete immunity from war crimes, guarantees them unelected seats in congress, and it gets voted down by the people; some defeats of American policies are a good thing. It is good that in this case Obama at least decided not to threaten the voters to get his way.

Ian McColgin
10-05-2016, 07:47 AM
All three (Government, FARC, and leaders of the NO vote) are sitting down again in Cuba and all say they will work hard for peace. Short form: It was a low turnout election; areas where FARC has been beaten and pushed out tend to vote NO; areas where FARC is still active voted YES. The NO side really want to punish someone so even reducing or eliminating the "free" seats in their congress will not do it without a few thousand FARC members serving jail time.

Very hard to end. Our own Civil War barely managed with just a few Confederate leaders jailed and that at least had a clear surrender of the main Confederate army. No such clarity as FARC managed to evolve from revolution to self-sustaining criminal/economic enterprise.

George Jung
10-05-2016, 07:57 AM
Nah- it's that Kenyans fault!

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
10-05-2016, 08:05 AM
Twas a Referendum, not an election.

peb
10-05-2016, 08:40 AM
All three (Government, FARC, and leaders of the NO vote) are sitting down again in Cuba and all say they will work hard for peace. .

That builds confidence.

peb
10-05-2016, 08:43 AM
Not everything is the fault of the Americans... <wink>

Oh, I agree. It was a very bad agreement and the fault goes to the Santos for negotiating so poorly. My point about American policy was that we should have never been supporting it. We did so, only to further our new relationship with Cuba, not out of any real care for the outcome in Columbia.

ccmanuals
10-05-2016, 08:50 AM
The hate runs deep in this one.

Gerarddm
10-05-2016, 10:14 AM
^ Yes, the sheer mental vacuum made my ears pop. Some more threads like this and somebody else will join the refugees in the Ignore file. Regrettable, but life is too short otherwise...

LeeG
10-05-2016, 10:49 AM
I'm not getting how this is a humiliation for Obama.

L.W. Baxter
10-05-2016, 10:53 AM
Obama should have run some arms to the FARCkers, funded by the sale of nuclear secrets to the Iranians.

Saint Barry, we would call him.

George Jung
10-05-2016, 01:37 PM
St. Barry.... I like that.

Has a 'ring' to it.

George Jung
10-05-2016, 01:37 PM
I'm not getting how this is a humiliation for Obama.


How can you not hate Obama?

Gosh.

Keith Wilson
10-05-2016, 01:56 PM
This is way more complicated than peb's commentary would indicate.

Donn
10-05-2016, 02:37 PM
Farc.

skuthorp
10-05-2016, 03:04 PM
I started one the day after to poll, it died. (shrug)

Several years in negotiation, popular support but only a 37% turnout.