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Paul Pless
10-01-2016, 07:44 AM
Did somebody's head in NoCal just explode?


WASHINGTON The White House is putting forward a proposal to add a new racial category for people from the Middle East and North Africa under what would be the biggest realignment of federal racial definitions in decades.
If approved, the new designation could appear on census forms in 2020 and could have far-reaching implications for racial identity, anti-discrimination laws and health research.

link (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/09/30/white-house-wants-add-new-racial-category-middle-eastern-people/91322064/)

Keith Wilson
10-01-2016, 08:24 AM
Not a bad idea, but the problem is that the 'racial' categories are a total mess; they make very little sense. They date back to the time when in the US there were descendants of northern Europeans, descendants of Africans (mostly slaves), and Native Americans ('Indians', then), and nobody else. 'Latino' is no more a racial category than 'human', and classifying both Japanese and Sikhs from Allahabad as 'Asian' is just bizarre.

Ian McColgin
10-01-2016, 09:23 AM
On the strength of use of his image in Turkish mustache transplant ads, Tom Selleck can go all affirmative action.

Reynard38
10-01-2016, 09:52 AM
Whenever I fill out a form that's asks my race I usually write in "Human"

Keith Wilson
10-01-2016, 10:11 AM
My granddaughter can honestly check 'all of the above' on forms.

https://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a6d626b3127cceec9a650eb30b00000040O10BYsmzNu4aMQ e3nwE/cC/f%3D0/ls%3D00104873621020160807154056283.JPG/ps%3D50/r%3D1/rx%3D720/ry%3D480/

B_B
10-01-2016, 10:21 AM
Not a bad idea, but the problem is that the 'racial' categories are a total mess; they make very little sense. They date back to the time when in the US there were descendants of northern Europeans, descendants of Africans (mostly slaves), and Native Americans ('Indians', then), and nobody else. 'Latino' is no more a racial category than 'human', and classifying both Japanese and Sikhs from Allahabad as 'Asian' is just bizarre.
My US history is a little rusty; no-one of southern European lineage scattered about what used to be Mexico - you know, Texas, California, New Mexico, etc. Maybe just one or two...

Keith Wilson
10-01-2016, 10:03 PM
That was later. The part of the US that was originally northern Mexico wasn't absorbed until after the Mexican War in 1848.

CWSmith
10-01-2016, 10:44 PM
My friend is a white, naturalized American citizen born in South Africa.

He calls himself "African American" on forms. He's right.

Race is bull sh1t. It's time to stop paying attention to it. Otherwise, give everyone DNA tests and hang the results around their heads.

Bob Adams
10-01-2016, 10:46 PM
Whenever I fill out a form that's asks my race I usually write in "Human"

I hear ya. When the ask for sex, I write in "Often as possible".:cool:

B_B
10-01-2016, 11:07 PM
That was later. The part of the US that was originally northern Mexico wasn't absorbed until after the Mexican War in 1848.
Been ignored ever since...

Old Dryfoot
10-01-2016, 11:16 PM
In the future, we'll all look Brazilian.

Iceboy
10-03-2016, 08:02 AM
The federal government shouldn't be labeling anyone.

SKIP KILPATRICK
10-03-2016, 08:30 AM
My granddaughter can honestly check 'all of the above' on forms.

https://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a6d626b3127cceec9a650eb30b00000040O10BYsmzNu4aMQ e3nwE/cC/f%3D0/ls%3D00104873621020160807154056283.JPG/ps%3D50/r%3D1/rx%3D720/ry%3D480/

What a beautiful smile!

Ian McColgin
10-03-2016, 08:36 AM
The issues of what, beyond body count, to collect in a census go back to the beginnings of both rational social, governmental and business planning and to the origins of sociology from the older study of American voluntary associations and have a great deal to do with the history of American religious institutions. Whether you're building schools or hospitals or industrial centers, location matters. And as we got into the twentieth century location was considerably more complex than a confluence of rivers, a great port, or handiness to a mountain pass. It began to have a good deal to do with how our expanding population, fueled by immigrants and the northward migration of southern blacks, was deruralizing, urbanizing.

Minority groups were used to being persecuted and were thus generally suspicious of governmental intrusion, resistant to any census efforts to ask questions. The Census Bureau worked hard to sell gathering more detailed demographic information - not just bodies but ages, sex, income, employment, education, race, and religion - to Roman Catholic officialdom who prized exact information as important to their social justice mission, like where do you have both resources and need for a hospital, and to the Protestant Social Gospel/Voluntary Associations people wrestling with the same issues.

It was a tough sell to break useful data away from the abuse of those data to discriminate against new comers, against immigrants and blacks in the midst of the Great Migration.

And it's still a problem, especially regarding race which all educated people agree is a notion with no legitimate genetic base but with profound, changing and confusing social construct bases. Yes, "race" is silly. And yes, a profusion of racial categories at a time when more people have mixed and muddled ethnic heritages can move from useful to pure murk. But problems should not be excuses for doing nothing and thus placing a veil of stupidity over our efforts to understand what's happening in our society.

Too Little Time
10-03-2016, 09:57 AM
Yes, "race" is silly.

It appears that when a white cop and black man meet, race is not silly. It appears that for many school aged children, race is not silly.

But I agree that race is silly.