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PeterSibley
09-30-2016, 09:01 PM
I'm seeking a forum opinion of the banning of Duncan Gibbs for 2 years. In the interests of full disclosure I find that period excessive unless he's killed someone . I hope this poll works , I've never posted one before and am unsure of the mechanism.

Options ....please add others if you feel so inclined.

1. Ban Duncan and then ban him some more after..... he's just bad !
2. Hold him down and tickle him until he confesses to anything.
3. Hold a solemn ceremony of remembrance every 26th of September.
4. Free the Gibbs! Break those chains!
5. Ban all the Australians instead. They're from the South, nothing but a problem.
6. I’m on strike. (The Jim Ledger option)

jsjpd1
09-30-2016, 09:12 PM
Free him! I'd go on strike with Jim Ledger but my wife would get bored with all the boat talk.

skuthorp
09-30-2016, 09:23 PM
Whilst I agree with the sentiment, provocation of management is not likely to win a reprieve.

George Jung
09-30-2016, 09:26 PM
The problem is (as I see it) - this place is more 'the inmates are running the prison', than a Democracy. That line in the sand, it is wavy - and we're all subject to whatever sort of day Scot is having, or phase of the moon. It's not fair - and we all know it, going into the Bilge. Personally, I'd not like that job - it calls for judgment call, and you'll seldom please everyone. Hell, there were some felt Allison (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs5j8uUR2nc) shouldn't have been banned! How crazy is that?

AFA 'length of banning' - that's also discretionary. But - rumor has it - Scot hates it when you whine (or whiney).

PeterSibley
09-30-2016, 09:27 PM
This is hopefully not a provocation and while we respect the reality that the WBF is Scot's place to rule as he wishes it is an expression of reader sentiment.

David G
09-30-2016, 09:30 PM
Not being privy to the exact details and magnitude of the offense... it's hard to comment.

A general comment, though. I've been banned a number of times. It is my personal experience that the severity/impact of the sentence begins to yield diminishing returns after about a month. Perhaps it would be different for other folks.

The Bigfella
09-30-2016, 09:34 PM
The problem is (as I see it) - this place is more 'the inmates are running the prison', than a Democracy. That line in the sand, it is wavy - and we're all subject to whatever sort of day Scot is having, or phase of the moon. It's not fair - and we all know it, going into the Bilge. Personally, I'd not like that job - it calls for judgment call, and you'll seldom please everyone. Hell, there were some felt Allison (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs5j8uUR2nc) shouldn't have been banned! How crazy is that?

AFA 'length of banning' - that's also discretionary. But - rumor has it - Scot hates it when you whine (or whiney).


Is it true that Dunc was instrumental in Allison's lifetime ban? :D

George Jung
09-30-2016, 09:37 PM
Is it true that Dunc was instrumental in Allison's lifetime ban? :D

:p Yer an ornery buggar! AFA 'proximity', I don't know - it's all like a bad dream! :arg

CWSmith
09-30-2016, 09:49 PM
Two years is not a punishment. It is an "I would prefer that we never saw you again" statement.

Garret
09-30-2016, 10:00 PM
Two years is not a punishment. It is an "I would prefer that we never saw you again" statement.

^ This. Hate to say it, hate to see it.

The Bigfella
09-30-2016, 10:15 PM
:p Yer an ornery buggar! AFA 'proximity', I don't know - it's all like a bad dream! :arg

I'm never ornery.... people just think I am.

Jimmy W
10-01-2016, 12:09 AM
Two years is not a punishment. It is an "I would prefer that we never saw you again" statement.

Of course it is.

Tom Montgomery
10-01-2016, 03:15 AM
^
Yep.

The Bigfella
10-01-2016, 03:23 AM
Two years is not a punishment. It is an "I would prefer that we never saw you again" statement.

You guys need to work on your translation skills. It's more akin to "I'm absolutely fed up to the gills with you launching vitriolic personal attacks on people".

Read the rules guys.

btw, I like Duncan, have high regard for his skills... but, also, get sick of his attacks... and I don't just mean on me. If you can't make a point without resorting to going the individual... give it up for a while

Tom Montgomery
10-01-2016, 03:29 AM
You guys need to work on your translation skills. It's more akin to "I'm absolutely fed up to the gills with you launching vitriolic personal attacks on people".

Read the rules guys.

btw, I like Duncan, have high regard for his skills... but, also, get sick of his attacks... and I don't just mean on me. If you can't make a point without resorting to going the individual... give it up for a while
"I'm absolutely fed up to the gills with you launching vitriolic personal attacks on people," and, "I would prefer that we never saw you again," are not mutually exclusive sentiments.

I am well aware of the WBF rules.

The Bigfella
10-01-2016, 03:36 AM
"I'm absolutely fed up to the gills with you launching vitriolic personal attacks on people," and, "I would prefer that we never saw you again," are not mutually exclusive sentiments.

I am well aware of the WBF rules.

I'll add one thing. I'd rather Duncan was posting than not... but you'd have to say, he had plenty of warning. I have no idea whether he was banned for his shot at me, or whether he wrote more that I didn't see, or even if it was a shot at someone else.... I've seen uninformed speculation on all of that. I don't even know who pushed the button... but, there you go. He got pinged.... as do most who make attacks on people, rather than addressing ideas or things.

PeterSibley
10-01-2016, 03:43 AM
I value Duncan and think he's been a general good for the forum. He was the bloke who found Shane again and helping him getting his memory back. Helping get the horror of Ed's death through to Ed's brother and the forum. He was the one who started the thread about my brain cancer.
He cares and so do I..... about him.

WX
10-01-2016, 04:07 AM
I value Duncan and think he's been a general good for the forum. He was the bloke who found Shane again and helping him getting his memory back. Helping get the horror of Ed's death through to Ed's brother and the forum. He was the one who started the thread about my brain cancer.
He cares and so do I..... about him.
Exactly!

The Bigfella
10-01-2016, 04:11 AM
I value Duncan and think he's been a general good for the forum. He was the bloke who found Shane again and helping him getting his memory back. Helping get the horror of Ed's death through to Ed's brother and the forum. He was the one who started the thread about my brain cancer.
He cares and so do I..... about him.

Anyone who cares, plays by the rules.

Wanna bleat about people and not be called out for it... start a blog and turn off the responses

Tom Montgomery
10-01-2016, 04:41 AM
Count Ian as pleased with Scot's judgement.

The Bigfella
10-01-2016, 04:47 AM
Count Ian as pleased with Scot's judgement.

No. I said I'd rather see Duncan here.... but Dunc's responsible for the fact that he isn't.

Tom Montgomery
10-01-2016, 05:23 AM
Count Ian as unhappy with Scot's judgement.

lupussonic
10-01-2016, 05:33 AM
I'd like a reprieve for Mr Gibbs. He had a lot of positive contributions and great pron.

PeterSibley
10-01-2016, 05:42 AM
As would I. Scott ,if you read this, please reconsider your decision.

Hwyl
10-01-2016, 06:05 AM
Yes, bring back Duncan.

Tom Montgomery
10-01-2016, 06:07 AM
An excessive banishment given the circumstances. Duncan did not post porn.

Shorten the sentence.

As an aside, sometimes the length of banishments betrays a personal agenda on the part of the administrator.

I say that while acknowledging that permanent banishments are occasionally justifiable.

skaraborgcraft
10-01-2016, 06:27 AM
Judging by Duncans past comments, i expect he may be blaming Putin for his ban........

In all serious, i dont know what led to his banning, but 2 years is, as someone suggested, certainly appears to be a "dont come back" sentence.

I may not of agreed with a lot of Duncans opinions about some stuff, but we are all entitled to them. Hard to make a judgement call without knowing the facts. A good lesson for keeping out of the Bilge i would say.....

PeterSibley
10-01-2016, 06:38 AM
Judging by Duncans past comments, i expect he may be blaming Putin for his ban........

In all serious, i dont know what led to his banning, but 2 years is, as someone suggested, certainly appears to be a "dont come back" sentence.

I may not of agreed with a lot of Duncans opinions about some stuff, but we are all entitled to them. Hard to make a judgement call without knowing the facts. A good lesson for keeping out of the Bilge i would say.....

Indeed, perhaps Duncan could just be banned from posting in the Bilge, it might be a kindness. I wonder if the forum software allows that option?

skaraborgcraft
10-01-2016, 07:06 AM
Indeed, perhaps Duncan could just be banned from posting in the Bilge, it might be a kindness. I wonder if the forum software allows that option?

THAT, should be one of your voting options. Im surprised how some peoples behaviour can radically change when in the bilge, though sometimes often prompted by others mischievious comments on occasions. It would be a more sensible idea to have a total ban from there, rather than the whole site, any misdemeanors carried on above the bilge should then be harshly dealt with, i would say that was fair, though i doubt the forum software can handle it. Another option might be to offer Duncan a return on condition HE does not post in the bilge,or comment......i dont think any good has ever come from most of the bickering that goes on down there......present thread excluded!

Jim Mahan
10-01-2016, 07:43 AM
There have been suggestions in the past for making another sub-forum, to allow for mud-wrestling or something. For those who really want to get dirty and throw stones. In order to keep the real Bilge wholesome.

Instead, I propose a new sub-Bilge forum to act as a mock court. TV lawyer show rules. Post evidence, subpoena witnesses. Make closing arguments and throw yourself on the mercy of the Scot. No appeals. No re-trials without new evidence. Jail time for contempt of court. And severe penalties for practicing without passing the bar. Rip. Meaning if one messes with the system, abuses the Mercy, or brings frivolous suits, like clown suits, or sheep suits, it's curtains.

And three strikes. Cause enough is enough sometimes.

Breakaway
10-01-2016, 07:47 AM
Two years is not a punishment. It is an "I would prefer that we never saw you again" statement.

Yah. Calling it, "lifetime, " seems more accurate. For sure, there probably should be some ban-worthy offenses, and a banishment that lasts long enough to sting makes sense to me. But what that length is, I couldn't say, so there you go.

Kevin

PeterSibley
10-01-2016, 07:55 AM
It would vary, depending on how much the individual relies on the social contact provided by the forum. I suspect some of us value it very highly.

L.W. Baxter
10-01-2016, 08:24 AM
Anyone who cares, plays by the rules.

Wanna bleat about people and not be called out for it... start a blog and turn off the responses

Who's bleating now?

Anyone who cares, makes room for others. Sometimes, this involves being quiet, which is obviously too much to ask of you, BF.

All you had to do, was nothing. And you couldn't pull it off. So, spare us the concerned friend routine.

Durnik
10-01-2016, 08:45 AM
I value Duncan and think he's been a general good for the forum. He was the bloke who found Shane again and helping him getting his memory back. Helping get the horror of Ed's death through to Ed's brother and the forum. He was the one who started the thread about my brain cancer.
He cares and so do I..... about him.


+42

Rum_Pirate
10-01-2016, 01:29 PM
Two years is the longest limit that the site can go. Trust me I know, been there done that etc.

The next sentence level is a permanent ban.

Let the senior moderator administer the site as he/she deems fit.

If you don't like it go and find another sandbox to play in.

Lew Barrett
10-01-2016, 01:48 PM
Too long by far.

Hwyl
10-01-2016, 06:59 PM
Glad to see this thread is still here.

http://www.nestle.co.uk/asset-library/PublishingImages/AboutUs/Reminiscence%20Packs/Duncan%20Christmas%201966.jpg

B_B
10-01-2016, 07:10 PM
Might the length of his ban not have something to do with the number of times in the recent past that he's been banned?

PeterSibley
10-01-2016, 07:16 PM
The length of this ban is absolutely incomprehensible .:(:(:(

and knowing how much Duncan values the companionship the forum engenders, it is harsh.

Kevin T
10-01-2016, 08:12 PM
Bring back Dunc and Glen. :-(

skaraborgcraft
10-02-2016, 03:44 AM
Might the length of his ban not have something to do with the number of times in the recent past that he's been banned?


I didnt know this, if several previous bannings has not mellowed Duncans bilge behaviour, then perhaps he has bought this on himself., its not too hard to step away from a computer and go make a cup of tea or grab a cold one from the fridge, when you feel you might start to post words you know you should not.

That aside, i note that "the bilge" has almost 3 times as many topics and postings as the next biggest catagory. What does that say about the users of this forum when it seems the majority of discussion is held down here, and nothing to do with wooden boats? I would propose that "the bilge" becomes an entirely seperate link, which could be easily done and require just an insert of a new tab in the header bar, right next to "forum". That would keep all the dregs in the bilge, and boat related stuff in the forum. I think it is acceptable to ban from the bilge, but still allow contributions to boat stuff, with no dipping into politics or snide remarks at risk of total banning.
Now, it really depends on the powers that be to decide if they want to do that.....

Hwyl
10-02-2016, 05:57 AM
Might the length of his ban not have something to do with the number of times in the recent past that he's been banned?
I think he has been banned once before. You're the recipient of one of the unfairest bans. Your attaker from that time rarely posts now.

Hwyl
10-02-2016, 06:00 AM
I didnt know this, if several previous bannings has not mellowed Duncans bilge behaviour, then perhaps he has bought this on himself., its not too hard to step away from a computer and go make a cup of tea or grab a cold one from the fridge, when you feel you might start to post words you know you should not.

That aside, i note that "the bilge" has almost 3 times as many topics and postings as the next biggest catagory. What does that say about the users of this forum when it seems the majority of discussion is held down here, and nothing to do with wooden boats? I would propose that "the bilge" becomes an entirely seperate link, which could be easily done and require just an insert of a new tab in the header bar, right next to "forum". That would keep all the dregs in the bilge, and boat related stuff in the forum. I think it is acceptable to ban from the bilge, but still allow contributions to boat stuff, with no dipping into politics or snide remarks at risk of total banning.
Now, it really depends on the powers that be to decide if they want to do that.....
The "new posts" tab does just that.

skuthorp
10-02-2016, 06:05 AM
I just voted for number 6.

Much as I agree, knowing only what I have been told and drawing inference, I hesitate to apply pressure. That may only make matters worse. Given some time a mitigation of sentence is quite possible, but not if the decider is under pressure.

PeterSibley
10-02-2016, 06:07 AM
A polite request perhaps? Scot will do as he chooses but it seems reasonable to ask.

skaraborgcraft
10-02-2016, 06:27 AM
The "new posts" tab does just that.

Im not computer savvy, but im guessing a new tab/link can be denied to certain IP adresses, so if the Bilge was seperate from the forum, it would not be an issue to access one but be blocked from the other. I could be completely wrong....

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
10-02-2016, 08:28 AM
A polite request perhaps? Scot will do as he chooses but it seems reasonable to ask.



Good onya for askin Pete.

B_B
10-02-2016, 09:10 PM
I think he has been banned once before. You're the recipient of one of the unfairest bans. Your attaker from that time rarely posts now.
I thought he'd been in the hoosegow more than that, but my memory for this type of thing is non-existent.

FWIW my sentence was demanded by me, on the condition that all my posts and my login be deleted. Scot couldn't, or wouldn't, accommodate. So I forced his hand (a series of very over the top, vile, posts, accompanied by a nice e-mail to the publisher of WoodenBoat magazine). My move was in response to absolutely no censure being levied against her (not the last time an Asian spouse was attacked here, not the last time personal attacks were ignored by admin). Thankfully she appears to have found better things to do.

John B
10-02-2016, 09:34 PM
Wow , didn't know that! Suicide by Scot eh BB;)

I'd like to see Duncan back sooner than later.

Sky Blue
10-02-2016, 09:54 PM
What guarantee does admin have that offending conduct would not re-occur? Why wouldnt we be right back here in 90 days time doing the same drill all over again? How long should the banning be for in that case? How would any of this be equitable for those who have faced similar sanction? What is admin's response to those people?

People can ask nicely for things, I guess, but it is not clear that anyone is yet asking the right questions.

doorstop
10-02-2016, 10:35 PM
Why doesn't admin ever make an appearance? Is there a human admin? Are we all figments of our own imagination thrusting ourselves on an imaginary admin? Did Duncan Gibbs ever really exist?

So many questions, so little time.....

;)

L.W. Baxter
10-02-2016, 10:37 PM
"What...is your favorite color?"

skuthorp
10-02-2016, 11:32 PM
I know Scot exists, I believe he once had a picture taken at Mystic…………..

bobbys
10-02-2016, 11:35 PM
I don't see a option for a atomic wedgie.

skaraborgcraft
10-03-2016, 02:08 AM
Another option, maybe a bit radical might be to get rid of the bilge entirely......those that want/need/choose to get foul mouthed and offensive can start a thread over on Sailing Anarchy for "Wooden Boat Bilgers", i believe their standards are somewhat ....different.

bobbys
10-03-2016, 04:16 PM
Duncan is a good lad..

When I was booted he wrote me.

Thank you sir..

I shall always remember Yer act of kindness towards me while others gloated.

PeterSibley
10-03-2016, 04:42 PM
Thanks bobbys.Y>

Michael D. Storey
10-03-2016, 04:44 PM
I know Scot exists, I believe he once had a picture taken at Mystic…………..I was told that it was in the Post Office. Next to Richard Nixon's. No, seriously, folks, hey I'm here all week. Lookit, the Forum is a party and Scot is the host. If you pissem off, he might not invite you back. If he asks someone else to leave and you like that person, get their number so you can hook up later?
Christ this is a silly thing for groan men to bother with.