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alpha star
09-03-2016, 06:48 AM
Hi, I'm hoping that this is a pic of the partners on my boat (1935) as you may be able to see its split . I'm thinking a boat builders work should of been better than that. So it must have been made into a sailing boat later. As the Tenon is too close to the mast hole?http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h80/alphastar3/002_zpszitab0ah.jpg (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/alphastar3/media/002_zpszitab0ah.jpg.html)

PeterSibley
09-03-2016, 06:51 AM
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h80/alphastar3/002_zpsztfecchj.jpg (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/alphastar3/media/002_zpsztfecchj.jpg.html)

PeterSibley
09-03-2016, 06:53 AM
On the Photobucket page highlight the window marked IMG, then copy and paste it to the forum page.

alpha star
09-03-2016, 06:58 AM
Thanks Peter.

Peerie Maa
09-03-2016, 06:59 AM
I would say added later. It does not look as though it is jointed into the deck beams as it aught to be. I doubt that any shipwright cut that "circle".

Has the mast been moved, I'd have expected it to be closer to the heavier beam. Belay that, the heavier beam looks as though it has been doubled. There is a lot of history in that piccy.

alpha star
09-03-2016, 08:02 AM
Hi Nick, it is jointed into the deck beams at both ends, which means the end fwd of the mast hole is only as thick as the tenon piece, so it was bound to crack. Its a piece of 1 inch oak. The mast step is underneath ok but again crudely cut. The mast it has now is not the original, so I guess the hole may have been opened up for a greater diameter mast??

Paul

PeterSibley
09-03-2016, 08:20 AM
I'd have expected a thoughtful builder to have run a couple of cross bolts to stop the block from splitting .

Peerie Maa
09-03-2016, 08:28 AM
She may have had a deck stepped mast with a compression pillar under those partners with no mast hole.
No point in putting that mast partner in if she is not a sailing boat. If added later the deck will have had to be renewed, or a deck beam cut out and then replaced, not an amount of work I would expected someone who can't cut a round hole to undertake.

Then again the arrangement looks a bit skimpy for 1935.
What boat is she, have you pictures of her?

alpha star
09-03-2016, 09:33 AM
Shes a 19.5ft solent fishing smack, not skimpy in the grown oak frames. The partners had a stag horn arrangement for tying halyards etc, that passed through the deck & bolted either side. Again quite crude compared to the rest of the boat.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h80/alphastar3/013_zpsvdmhezus.jpg (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/alphastar3/media/013_zpsvdmhezus.jpg.html)

Peerie Maa
09-03-2016, 09:39 AM
A smack built in 1935 will have been a motor boat, possibly with a derrick for net handling, justifying the partners sans hole.
Those two crudely cut holes for the halyard "staghorns" are also obviously later than the original partners chock, suggesting a conversion to sail, possibly when she was sold out of fishing.

alpha star
09-03-2016, 10:21 AM
I have seen old photos of these smacks in Camber dock, Old Portsmouth & thought the same. Were they not originally sailing smacks converted to motor smacks & the mast converted for use as a derrick?
The boat has a lead keel let into the Oak that seems to be the original quality workmanship. Also has the original Itchen Ferry 'barn door' style rudder. The Story is that it was built for a retired Itchen Ferry fisherman who wanted to keep his hand in. I guess the evidence says otherwise .... just a fisherman's tale.

Paul

Ian McColgin
09-03-2016, 10:22 AM
Is that a metal plate between the deck and the partners block just abaft the hole? If that's attached (perhaps through the deck?) to the block you might be fine to use the mast as intended for derrick work. I'd personally hate to screw around with a through-bolt or another below mounted mending plate as the thing at least has great drainage now and should not start in to rot.

Don't worry. Be happy.

G'luck

Peerie Maa
09-03-2016, 10:35 AM
I have seen old photos of these smacks in Camber dock, Old Portsmouth & thought the same. Were they not originally sailing smacks converted to motor smacks & the mast converted for use as a derrick?
The boat has a lead keel let into the Oak that seems to be the original quality workmanship. Also has the original Itchen Ferry 'barn door' style rudder. The Story is that it was built for a retired Itchen Ferry fisherman who wanted to keep his hand in. I guess the evidence says otherwise .... just a fisherman's tale.

Paul

The regs changed after the first war to allow inshore craft to use engines, prior to that they were only allowed to sail. So if she was built to fish in 1935 they would have fitted a motor from new and not bothered with sail.
At 19' 6" she is small and may well have been built for a retired fisherman. As an old gent he will not have wanted the effort of hoisting and stowing sails when he could use a reliable motor.

alpha star
09-03-2016, 11:01 AM
Hi Ian, no there's no metal plates anywhere. The hole is towards the fwd end of the partners. Also I forgot to mention she has no back stays or bob stay under the bowsprit (10ft). In true 'fishing fashion?' or a later day bodge over? I've had her out sailing this year in light conditions, & I must say she sails well, but has these issues. If it is a 1935 motor fishing Smack I'd like to return it to that.

Paul

alpha star
09-03-2016, 11:07 AM
The regs changed after the first war to allow inshore craft to use engines, prior to that they were only allowed to sail. So if she was built to fish in 1935 they would have fitted a motor from new and not bothered with sail.
At 19' 6" she is small and may well have been built for a retired fisherman. As an old gent he will not have wanted the effort of hoisting and stowing sails when he could use a reliable motor.
That sounds about right Nick. Thanks for the good info.

Paul

alpha star
09-04-2016, 09:17 AM
Here are some photos , one of the boat as she is with sail plan & one of the local fishing smacks still around in the 50s
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h80/alphastar3/img002%201_zpsp7icgvxj.jpg (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/alphastar3/media/img002%201_zpsp7icgvxj.jpg.html)
Paul

alpha star
09-04-2016, 09:19 AM
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h80/alphastar3/13226697_1256028461089154_2057861097293073755_n_zp szyl04qja.jpg (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/alphastar3/media/13226697_1256028461089154_2057861097293073755_n_zp szyl04qja.jpg.html)

Peerie Maa
09-04-2016, 10:28 AM
Handy looking boat.

boattruck
09-07-2016, 01:08 AM
Alpha et al, while we can hand-wring ourselves into a lather, let's remember that this boat has been going for a long time like she is, likely longer than most of us...while in hindsight we can fault the builders for this and that, it might be easier to change the doubler at the partners and go sailing, or do nothing at all and keep sailing! Cheers, BT

Phil Y
09-07-2016, 02:58 AM
Still trying to work out what an Origina is. Got some great ideas.