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Gerarddm
08-04-2016, 10:44 AM
I caught a good chunk of it. I must say, Johnson/Weld sound completely rational compared to the whackadoodle Drumpf campaign. These are thoughtful guys. They are at 12% in the polls; if they get to 15% they get into the debates, and wouldn't that be interesting.

I disagree with some of the Libertarian plank like eliminating the Department of Education and the IRS, but seriously, here are people who present cogent policy positions one could respectfully debate about. Refreshing.

CNN will hold one too with the Green Party's Jill Stein too, FWIW.

Norman Bernstein
08-04-2016, 10:50 AM
I disagree with some of the Libertarian plank like eliminating the Department of Education and the IRS, but seriously, here are people who present cogent policy positions one could respectfully debate about. Refreshing.


I respectfully disagree, although I will freely admit that Libertarians are NOTHING like Donald Trump.

However, I believe Libertarianism is intrinsically evil, and contrary to the traditions and values of America.... and I believe that, were they to gain any political traction, they'd represent a significant threat. Sure, their liberal and progressive stance on social issues will appeal to many liberals and progressives... but their economic perspectives are truly frightening. Pure Libertarianism is a philosophy that leads directly to plutocracy and oligarchy; the notion that 'only the prevention of force or fraud' is the sole legitimate function of government, is a VERY dangerous idea. Libertarianism rejects the Constitutional mandate to 'promote the general welfare', which is a critically important clause in our Constitution.

Gerarddm
08-04-2016, 05:01 PM
That may very well be true, Norman. I was also put off by Johnson being entirely uninterested in assault rifle gun control.

But again, at least with these two one could have a civil debate. That their positions might be flawed is one thing; that they can be dissected rationally is something else, and right now is sorely lacking with Republicans.

pkrone
08-04-2016, 05:22 PM
I respectfully disagree, although I will freely admit that Libertarians are NOTHING like Donald Trump.

However, I believe Libertarianism is intrinsically evil, and contrary to the traditions and values of America.... and I believe that, were they to gain any political traction, they'd represent a significant threat. Sure, their liberal and progressive stance on social issues will appeal to many liberals and progressives... but their economic perspectives are truly frightening. Pure Libertarianism is a philosophy that leads directly to plutocracy and oligarchy; the notion that 'only the prevention of force or fraud' is the sole legitimate function of government, is a VERY dangerous idea. Libertarianism rejects the Constitutional mandate to 'promote the general welfare', which is a critically important clause in our Constitution.

"Intrinsically evil"? Wow. Pretty strong belief there, sir. Usually when people use phrases like that, my first thought is, "time for you to turn off FoxNews"...
I didn't see the rejection of "promote the general welfare" on this site either. https://www.lp.org/introduction/what-is-the-libertarian-party

One could make similarly broad statements about liberalism in that in its purest form could be viewed as socialism. I think tolerance and middle-of-the-roadism is what we need. But no party seems to want to identify with that for some reason.

Sky Blue
08-04-2016, 05:27 PM
I'm looking at Johnson very closely right now. I'd like to see him in the debates.

Hugh Conway
08-04-2016, 07:43 PM
One could make similarly broad statements about liberalism in that in its purest form could be viewed as socialism.

I'm pretty sure the right has made many, many, many statements how the end of the road is communism. And it's just as evil, soul and humanity destroying as libertarianism. These days on the internet most libertarians are interchangeable in actions for the deluded communist youth of the 60s and 70s slinging their ideology at every problem proclaiming a bright future, ignoring the ugly ugly ugly flaws of the leaders manipulating them.

I've no idea where Johnson is polling 12%. That sounds like BS. Don't care for yet another government spender in the debates anyways.