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skuthorp
07-04-2016, 03:22 PM
including outside the Prophets Mosque in Medina.

"Jeddah, Saudi Arabia (CNN) A wave of suicide bombings hit three Saudi Arabian cities over a 24-hour period. The attacks came on the heels of massive jihadi assaults in the Muslim world last week.The deadliest occurred in Medina, where four people were killed and another person was wounded, according to an official with knowledge of the event. The city is a major spot in Islam because that's where Prophet Mohammed is buried."

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/04/middleeast/saudi-arabia-jeddah-bomb/

CWSmith
07-04-2016, 04:17 PM
Karma, but I am sorry for the innocent wounded and dead.

genglandoh
07-04-2016, 04:55 PM
Just another long list of people who are suffering from Obama/Clinton foreign policy.

http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?187913-Do-you-think-Saudi-Arabia-will-be-the-next-Obama-failure-in-the-middle-east&highlight=

Dannybb55
07-04-2016, 04:56 PM
Any damage to the architecture?

Gerarddm
07-04-2016, 04:57 PM
Chickens coming home to roost and fall that. #2 +1.

PeterSibley
07-04-2016, 05:20 PM
It's like Wars of the Reformation that ripped Europe apart. Bloody horror.

Hwyl
07-04-2016, 05:25 PM
Terrible

CWSmith
07-04-2016, 05:34 PM
At the risk of bringing US politics into the discussion, it demonstrates that these acts of terrorism are about the control of Islam and it won't end until the Muslim faithful shut down their fundamentalism.

Trump's promised mistreatment of all Muslims won't help the cause at all.

PeterSibley
07-04-2016, 05:43 PM
At the risk of bringing US politics into the discussion, it demonstrates that these acts of terrorism are about the control of Islam and it won't end until the Muslim faithful shut down their fundamentalism.

Trump's promised mistreatment of all Muslims won't help the cause at all.

It plays straight into the Crusader / Islam confrontation..... fuel on the fire.

skuthorp
07-04-2016, 07:21 PM
Just another long list of people who are suffering from Obama/Clinton foreign policy.

http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?187913-Do-you-think-Saudi-Arabia-will-be-the-next-Obama-failure-in-the-middle-east&highlight=

Now if I thought you were a fool Geng this could be laughed at, but I know you are not, so I can either put it down to blind ideology or just plain deliberate ignorance.

The Bigfella
07-04-2016, 07:29 PM
Just another sign that Daesh is in real trouble.

skuthorp
07-04-2016, 07:31 PM
Considering that the Saudi's financed the extremist element for a long time it's a case of the biter bit. But it's nearly always the innocent that suffer most.

BrianW
07-05-2016, 01:24 AM
Trump's promised mistreatment of all Muslims won't help the cause at all.

In a thread which so clearly defines the Islamic divide, this statement is really not valid.

They've been killing each other long before the USA existed, we don't get credit for all evil, no matter how much we feel we should.

PeterSibley
07-05-2016, 01:50 AM
Actually the Ottomans were rather good at stopping that violence before it started.

BrianW
07-05-2016, 02:58 AM
Actually the Ottomans were rather good at stopping that violence before it started.

Hmmm, maybe?


The division of Islam into Sunni and Shiite branches goes far back in Muslim history to the aftermath of the death of the Prophet Muhammad. Its repercussions have rippled through history, with periods of peace and periods of war. With the recent turmoil, the conflict between Shiite and Sunni is once again a driving force behind events in the Middle East. Read a chronology:


570: The Prophet Muhammad is born.


598: Ali, who will become the fourth caliph and the first Shiite Imam, is born.


610: The year Muslims cite as the beginning of Muhammad's mission and revelation of the Quran.


613: The public preaching of Islam begins.


630: The Muslims, led by Muhammad, conquer Mecca.


632: Muhammad dies. Abu Bakr is chosen as caliph, his successor. A minority favors Ali. They become known as Shiat Ali, or the partisans of Ali.


656: Ali becomes the fourth caliph after his predecessor is assassinated. Some among the Muslims rebel against him.


661: Violence and turmoil spread among the Muslims; Ali is assassinated.


680: Hussein, son of Ali, marches against the superior army of the caliph at Karbala in Iraq. He is defeated, his army massacred, and he is beheaded. The split between Shiites and Sunnis deepens. Shiites consider Ali their first imam, Hussein the third.


873: The 11th Shiite Imam dies. No one succeeds him.


873-940: In the period, known as the Lesser Occultation, the son of the 11th Imam disappears, leaving his representatives to head the Shiite faith.


940: The Greater Occultation of the 12th or Hidden Imam begins. No imam or representative presides over the Shiite faithful.


1258: The Mongols, led by Hulagu, destroy Baghdad, ending the Sunni Arab caliphate.


1501: Ismail I establishes the Safavid dynasty in Persia and declares Shiism the state religion.


1900: Ruhollah Khomeini is born in Persia.


1920-1922: Arabs, both Shiite and Sunni, revolt against British control of Iraq.


1922-1924: Kemal Ataturk abolishes the Ottoman sultanate and the Turkish Sunni

I've done some reading, so am not ignorant, but I certainly can learn much more. If you have more information, I'm all ears. ;)

PeterSibley
07-05-2016, 03:03 AM
Nasty but nothing on Europe !!

BrianW
07-05-2016, 03:23 AM
Nasty but nothing on Europe !!

Well, Europe isn't the topic, nor are they bombing the crap out of each other right now. Admittedly, it's still early in the 21st Century.

PeterSibley
07-05-2016, 03:41 AM
Exactly, I guess I'm saying that religious carnage isn't limited to Islam. Christianity did it in spades but has largely settled it's differences, largely. Islam will too.

LeeG
07-05-2016, 03:49 AM
Just another long list of people who are suffering from Obama/Clinton foreign policy.

http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?187913-Do-you-think-Saudi-Arabia-will-be-the-next-Obama-failure-in-the-middle-east&highlight=

So when militant Salafi jihadists took over the Grand Mosque in 1979 that was the Clinton/Obama foreign policy?
Jesus effing Keerist you really did bump your head when you fell off the turnip wagon. Obama/Clinton did not create militant Salafi jihadism anymore than the French Prime Minister created the Ohio branch of the KKK.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mosque_seizure

Grand Mosque seizure occurred during November and December 1979 when extremist insurgents calling for the overthrow of the House of Saud took over Masjid al-Haram in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. The insurgents declared that the Mahdi (the "redeemer of Islam") had arrived in the form of one of their leaders – Mohammed Abdullah al-Qahtani – and called on Muslims to obey him.

The seizure of Islam's holiest site, the taking of hostages from among the worshipers, and the deaths of hundreds of militants, security forces and hostages caught in crossfire in the ensuing battles for control of the site, all shocked the Islamic world. The siege ended two weeks after the takeover began and the mosque was cleared.[7] Following the attack, the Saudi state implemented a stricter enforcement of Islamic code.[8]


Because of donations from wealthy followers, the group was well-armed and trained. Some members, like al-Otaybi, were former military officials of the National Guard.[18] Some National Guard troops sympathetic to the insurgents smuggled weapons, ammunition, gas masks, and provisions into the mosque compound over a period of weeks before the new year.[19] Automatic weapons were smuggled from National Guard armories, and the supplies were hidden in the hundreds of tiny underground rooms under the mosque that were used as hermitages.[20]

LeeG
07-05-2016, 03:53 AM
In a thread which so clearly defines the Islamic divide, this statement is really not valid.

They've been killing each other long before the USA existed, we don't get credit for all evil, no matter how much we feel we should.

These attacks reflects militant Salafism which conflicts with its birthplace and the world more than Shia/ Sunni conflicts.

LeeG
07-05-2016, 03:55 AM
Now if I thought you were a fool Geng this could be laughed at, but I know you are not, so I can either put it down to blind ideology or just plain deliberate ignorance.

I think he has the whole piņata. Foolishness, ideology and willful ignorance.

LeeG
07-05-2016, 04:05 AM
Just another sign that Daesh is in real trouble.

Agree, their "caliphate" is being reduced but it sure seems like real trouble is woven into a region that grew explosively on oil wealth while also supporting a fundamentalism that rejects the present and the western world.

LeeG
07-05-2016, 04:28 AM
Here you go Geng, you gotta get it through your noggin that people living on the other side of the world aren't defined by US politics, we may have a history with them but they were there longgggg before white people filled up these here United States. GW and his handlers did a lot more to facilitate the growth of Daesh than Obama through the power vacuum of a destroyed Iraq but the roots of these attacks are in the region. We are allied with fundamentalist monarchies with their own internal conflicts. These people are not defined by Megan Kelly or whatever infotainment media source you enjoy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/isis-wahhabism-saudi-arabia_b_5717157.html


You Can’t Understand ISIS If You Don’t Know the History of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia

Saudi Arabia’s internal discord and tensions over ISIS can only be understood by grasping the inherent (and persisting) duality that lies at the core of the Kingdom’s doctrinal makeup and its historical origins.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/isis-aim-saudi-arabia_b_5748744.html

Middle East Time Bomb: The Real Aim of ISIS Is to Replace the Saud Family as the New Emirs of Arabia

BEIRUT — ISIS is indeed a veritable time bomb inserted into the heart of the Middle East. But its destructive power is not as commonly understood. It is not with the “March of the Beheaders”; it is not with the killings; the seizure of towns and villages; the harshest of “justice” — terrible though they are — that its true explosive power lies. It is yet more potent than its exponential pull on young Muslims, its huge arsenal of weapons and its hundreds of millions of dollars.


Its real potential for destruction lies elsewhere — in the implosion of Saudi Arabia as a foundation stone of the modern Middle East. We should understand that there is really almost nothing that the West can now do about it but sit and watch.

LeeG
07-05-2016, 05:30 AM
Just another long list of people who are suffering from Obama/Clinton foreign policy.

http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?187913-Do-you-think-Saudi-Arabia-will-be-the-next-Obama-failure-in-the-middle-east&highlight=

As this diarist aptly puts it "this is the equivalent of 'Christians' bombing St Peters in Rome". Do you get it yet Geng that these kinds of attacks against the ruling power are inevitable? Strict fundamentalism and insane wealth in a ruling minority. What could go wrong?

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/7/4/1545042/-BREAKING-ISIL-Bombs-The-Prophet-s-Tomb

Old Dryfoot
07-05-2016, 10:10 AM
^ It's almost like it's not about the west at all. . .