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Norman Bernstein
02-08-2016, 06:19 AM
I have yet to sleep.

It was a combination of factors: first, we're anticipating a blizzard today, and there is stuff I wanted to do in my office, some research on a circuit problem. Yeah, I know, it's a geek thing; I thought of a clever circuit on Friday, but my computer will all my simulation programs and data is in my office, not at home, and I had various non-work responsibilities over the weekend, so I couldn't work on it... was planning to spend today on it, but it's 6:15AM right now, the blizzard is supposed to start shortly, the wing is already howling.... to that, add the fact that we need some food items in the house, and the supermarket doesn't open until 8.

So, I laid awake, from 11 last night, until about 4:15AM... couldn't sleep... kept going over the circuit problem in my head, kept thinking about trying to beat the blizzard, make it to the supermarket before it gets bad, go to the office and fetch my laptop....

Finally, I just gave up... got dressed, drove here to the office. Stopped at DD for two cups of coffee (definitely needed, without sleep), noticed that the DPW had already salted and sanded the roads.

So, now, it's 6:18AM, and wondering if the blizzard will hold off until after 8, and whether I'll be awake, or crash, before then... also wondering what SWMBO is going to say, if she wakes up before I get home (she was pissed at the idea that I'd even bother to leave the house today).

Bobby of Tulsa
02-08-2016, 06:41 AM
I have yet to sleep.

It was a combination of factors: first, we're anticipating a blizzard today, and there is stuff I wanted to do in my office, some research on a circuit problem. Yeah, I know, it's a geek thing; I thought of a clever circuit on Friday, but my computer will all my simulation programs and data is in my office, not at home, and I had various non-work responsibilities over the weekend, so I couldn't work on it... was planning to spend today on it, but it's 6:15AM right now, the blizzard is supposed to start shortly, the wing is already howling.... to that, add the fact that we need some food items in the house, and the supermarket doesn't open until 8.

So, I laid awake, from 11 last night, until about 4:15AM... couldn't sleep... kept going over the circuit problem in my head, kept thinking about trying to beat the blizzard, make it to the supermarket before it gets bad, go to the office and fetch my laptop....

Finally, I just gave up... got dressed, drove here to the office. Stopped at DD for two cups of coffee (definitely needed, without sleep), noticed that the DPW had already salted and sanded the roads.

So, now, it's 6:18AM, and wondering if the blizzard will hold off until after 8, and whether I'll be awake, or crash, before then... also wondering what SWMBO is going to say, if she wakes up before I get home (she was pissed at the idea that I'd even bother to leave the house today). Try that no sleep thing for a couple of years, then we can talk about it. If ya can't sleep get up and do something. If ya get sleepy go back to bed. With your mind going 90mph you aint gonna sleep anyway. So if ya aint punching a clock what is the difference?

Norman Bernstein
02-08-2016, 07:02 AM
Try that no sleep thing for a couple of years, then we can talk about it. If ya can't sleep get up and do something. If ya get sleepy go back to bed. With your mind going 90mph you aint gonna sleep anyway. So if ya aint punching a clock what is the difference?

You're right, the 90mph mind is definitely an obstacle to sleep... I can get hung up on an idea, and just can't shake it, keep going over it, in my head.

You're also right, it makes sense to just get up and do something if I can't sleep. Unfortunately, SWMBO sleeps well, but doesn't like to be disturbed, and has a hard time understanding my erratic sleep.

skuthorp
02-08-2016, 07:08 AM
When I was working a 12-16 hour day in advertising my mind never stopped either. Headache saturday if I didn't get up at 6am for coffee, half zonked on sunday, picked up by taxi 6am monday and on it went. Often slept in the spare room so as not to disturb SWMBO.
These daye I just get on the 'puter and talk to those on the other side of the world who are awake.:D

TomF
02-08-2016, 07:26 AM
I'll turn the radio on to CBC really low, so Herself can't hear (it's useful that she's got some hearing loss! :D) and let it distract me. Music won't do it, nor will political talk shows. But so long as the discussions don't get TOO interesting, gentle talk radio about interesting stuff that doesn't get wind me up is about the best for me. If I've got really wound up about a project or a meeting coming the next day, I'll take a pen and paper and make some notes for myself. If I delegate "remembering" to a piece of paper, my brain will allow itself to turn off again. ;)

In the middle of the night, what keeps me awake is usually some version of a recitation of what I'm worried about, or what I'm sorry about. With a few actual instances to the contrary, there's only so much that can affect either at 3 in the morning, and it's really about managing me, rather than managing the stuff. Part of the trick is waking up enough to be able to accurately recognize the difference, but not waking up so much to be unable to slump back into sleep again after taking action.

I'm convinced that this is part of why the monks used to have "Night Offices" they said in the wee small hours; sleep patterns as we get older usually include some waking points, and in a monastic worldview, it's at least as good a time for prayer as anything else. Little else, frankly, can bring the same respite from these ordinary anxieties for those of us whose belief systems allow us the luxury of actually connecting and interacting a bit with God at night, - the little "Office" book I keep beside my bed includes a few different 10 minute or so sets of readings for a "Night Office."

For the times when I do get up and write notes to myself about a meeting or project so my brain will leave me alone, I find that saying a Night Office is a very helpful way to sort of get the nap all laying the right way in my mind and emotions again after, making it much easier to get back to sleep. Unlike reading a novel, there's a defined "stopping point" when you reach the end of the set piece, so I'll not end up getting involved in something else, and staying in the story well after I could have actually got back to bed. For the agnostics among us, setting a timer for 10 minutes or so and practicing some meditation would perhaps work similarly.

Hwyl
02-08-2016, 08:03 AM
3 mg melatonin. I'm surprised your wife doesn't already use this.

varadero
02-08-2016, 08:25 AM
valeriana, and this http://www.medicaldaily.com/life-hack-sleep-4-7-8-breathing-exercise-will-supposedly-put-you-sleep-just-60-332122

bamamick
02-08-2016, 08:27 AM
Thankfully I have little trouble sleeping, but if I get into a stretch where I am having a problem I will take a couple of Benedryl and I normally drift right off.

Mickey Lake

The Bigfella
02-08-2016, 10:14 AM
Tap on the shoulder

lupussonic
02-08-2016, 10:24 AM
Definitely write everything that's going on in your head down, the brain doesn't need to hold it anymore, it's on paper. Read a book instead of watching something on TV, low volume radio too. A short burst of press ups works well to, if furious masterbation 'con gusto' doesn't get you there.

What?

David G
02-08-2016, 10:34 AM
I seldom have that problem, but when I do I simply... oh, this is a family forum. And I don't want to shock Tim, Pat, & James, who I suspect are still virgins <G>

CK 17
02-08-2016, 10:46 AM
I feel your pain. After decades of flying all night, sometimes you just can't sleep. However, eventually you will sleep, you have to. the trick is to be near a bed when it's going to happen.

Be be careful with the drugs. At least for me, their very effective at knocking me out. It's the waking up part that's the problem. The few times I've tried them I've been useless the first half of the next day.

Sorry, I know it sucks. . .

The Bigfella
02-08-2016, 11:33 AM
I had a sleep specialist address a strategy meeting I was running (for a client that used seasonal shift workers).

First rule.... the bed is for two things only, one being sleeping, the other being the sleeping with euphemism. No reading, or anything else in bed. Do that elsewhere.

Norman Bernstein
02-08-2016, 11:37 AM
Thankfully I have little trouble sleeping, but if I get into a stretch where I am having a problem I will take a couple of Benedryl and I normally drift right off.

Mickey Lake

I find Benadryl effective, as well, but I find that it takes at least an hour to kick in.... and then I feel groggy when I finally do wake up. At 4AM, the question is whether it's worth it to go downstairs to find the Benadryl, take it, and wait until 5AM to fall asleep... especially if I have to be up at 7:30AM.

I don't take it very often... maybe once a month or less, if I feel like it's going to be a difficult night.

David G
02-08-2016, 11:54 AM
I had a sleep specialist address a strategy meeting I was running (for a client that used seasonal shift workers).

First rule.... the bed is for two things only, one being sleeping, the other being the sleeping with euphemism. No reading, or anything else in bed. Do that elsewhere.

That seems to work best for many people. I don't find it so. Sometimes I work in bed. Sometimes I tussle with the cat & dog. I always read before I turn out the light. Usually 15 - 45 minutes. And I have no trouble either falling asleep, or sleeping thru the night. Although... sometimes that reading thing 'backfires'. Once in a great while I'll find myself still up a 2 am because a book is too engrossing to put down. I regard such occasions as a feature, not a bug.

George Jung
02-08-2016, 12:03 PM
I'm disappointed in youse guys - when I can't sleep, I roll over, and see if swmbo 'can't sleep'....:p

David G
02-08-2016, 12:06 PM
I'm disappointed in youse guys - when I can't sleep, I roll over, and see if swmbo 'can't sleep'....:p

Or make sure she can't sleep <G>

See #9 & #11...

Bobby of Tulsa
02-08-2016, 12:18 PM
An old friend used to call that poor boy ether. A bit of that and you will sleep like a baby.

Memphis Mike
02-08-2016, 07:11 PM
I feel your pain. After decades of flying all night, sometimes you just can't sleep. However, eventually you will sleep, you have to. the trick is to be near a bed when it's going to happen.

Be be careful with the drugs. At least for me, their very effective at knocking me out. It's the waking up part that's the problem. The few times I've tried them I've been useless the first half of the next day

Sorry, I know it sucks. . .

Comforting to know that the pilot that is flying the plane I might be on is useless because of a sleeping pill hangover.

elf
02-08-2016, 07:19 PM
Plug in the earbuds and fire up a playlist I like.

Also, if it's really serious, read without my glasses.

And if all else fails, do something productive, whatever is racing around keeping me awake.

Michael D. Storey
02-08-2016, 07:59 PM
I'm disappointed in youse guys - when I can't sleep, I roll over, and see if swmbo 'can't sleep'....:pA tactic with benefits. It is acceptable to slide your foot over and gauge the response to finding another foot. That can be the act of a restless sleeping foot, to you're not the cad, quite yet. I recently have found myself plunged into some Elmore Leonard. I only need 20 pages of Kindle, on the middle-sized print.
When I was directing a Museum back in the 70's, I was on 90 mph brain mode everysingle day and night. I could manage to do it then. Sometimes a few days without sleep. Now, I need to sleep more. I will get up and go down cellar, sometimes play with my gas lights, sometimes talk to the wood furnace. But I will be dipped and fried if Im just going to lie there and stare at a black ceiling. About that anxiety of things that belong in the day: I know that I can often find solutions through the re-hash, so I will keep at it.

Rich Jones
02-08-2016, 08:07 PM
It's usually some boatbuilding challenge that keeps me awake. I'll get up and slog around down here in the Bilge for a while and then be able to fall back asleep.

CK 17
02-08-2016, 08:23 PM
Comforting to know that the pilot that is flying the plane I might be on is useless because of a sleeping pill hangover.
I never use medications that caused drowsiness while on any kind of work assignment. Days. Off. Only.

Osborne Russell
02-08-2016, 09:39 PM
Dude, if you're laying in bed with your mind focused on a project, then getting up in the dark to drive through the snow to work, they're not paying you enough. Maybe if you got a raise you'd sleep better. It's your conscience telling you to get wise.

john welsford
02-09-2016, 11:31 AM
I've many times switched the laptop on, gone to "the bilge" and read through some of the political postings, and laughed myself to sleep.

John Welsford

bobbys
02-09-2016, 11:47 AM
Come help me roof for a day, I will promise you will sleep like a baby.

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
02-09-2016, 11:51 AM
Smoke some weed.

Norman Bernstein
02-09-2016, 12:10 PM
Dude, if you're laying in bed with your mind focused on a project, then getting up in the dark to drive through the snow to work, they're not paying you enough.

They're not paying me ANYTHING... yet.

It's a proposal to get a contract to redesign a chilled mirror hygrometer instrument. The instrument is badly in need of redesign... it's so old, components are going obsolete. I'm hoping they'll be willing to let me do a complete redesign, and bring it into the modern age.

If I get the contract, the pay will have made the sleepless nights more than worth it.

jclays
02-09-2016, 12:10 PM
Two Tylenol PM

Norman Bernstein
02-09-2016, 12:11 PM
Two Tylenol PM

Same thing as 50mg of Benadryl. Probably better to just take Benadryl, as it is cheaper, and if you don't need the acetaminophen, your stomach will thank you.

Phil Y
02-09-2016, 07:01 PM
Sex is good. Otherwise a glass of full cream milk.

Memphis Mike
02-09-2016, 07:25 PM
In all honesty, if you want to sleep, get plenty of exercise and lay off the booze and caffeine...drink plenty of water.

Willin'
02-09-2016, 07:56 PM
Back in the 70s I took up Transcendental Meditation for a brief while. My mantra seldom failed to put me to sleep (against my wishes) back then, and continues to work equally well now when summoned if I can't sleep.

I always wondered if they gave everyone the same mantra, then insisted on us keeping it a secret so we didn't find out we got robbed.

bobbys
02-10-2016, 10:54 AM
I have to admit the night before I start a big job I do the whole job in my head for a few hours and make lists.

When you are paying 4 men by the hour every minute costs.

Sometimes I'm best by the morn.

However the first day I work hard then sleep very well.

I do not think I could take office work, I would already be 400lbs and dead from stress.

Even though roofing is maybe one of the hardest jobs it's a great stress reliever..

I think if I worked in a office I would have to go to the gym every day.

TomF
02-10-2016, 11:00 AM
...I always wondered if they gave everyone the same mantra, then insisted on us keeping it a secret so we didn't find out we got robbed.:D :D Dom. John Main (a Benedictine and a Catholic priest) was influential in popularizing mantra types of meditative prayer in Christian community in the 20th Century. His own mantra apparently ... was 1, 2, 3, 4. :D

The point is less the mantra, and more the attitude with which you use it.

bobbys
02-10-2016, 11:05 AM
I have had nightmares where Salma Hayek and Penelope Cruze are playing twister with me yelling things in Spanish..

I wake up with my wife slapping me..

Those tramps!