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Jim Bow
01-16-2016, 01:14 AM
Saw a bumper sticker that said "Friends don't let friends eat foreign shrimp."
Curiously, I picked up a bag of frozen shrimp at the Safeway and it was labeled "Product of Vietnam" When did this happen??
I looked at a couple of cans and they were Vietnam and China.

I know that the meat industry no longer has to label foreign beef, but I don't eat beef, so it doesn't bother me. The meat at Fast food joints, and those bags of frozen hamburgers at the grocery could be coming from Chinese farms, and consumers won't know.

BrianW
01-16-2016, 01:49 AM
No.

None for me thank you, unless I'm eating them strictly for the deep fried breading they cover them with. Otherwise, I prefer them 'made in America' and fresher...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/BrianW/Family/reginewithshrimpontable.jpg

Gerarddm
01-16-2016, 02:50 AM
NEVER eat Vietnamese or Chinese shrimp. Health standards are, ah, lacking.

Trader Joes has some Argentine shrimp and they are OK. Still leery of Gulf Coast shrimp due to the oil spill.

skuthorp
01-16-2016, 05:26 AM
"NEVER eat Vietnamese or Chinese shrimp. Health standards are, ah, lacking."
Just what I was about to say. Fortunately in spite of lobbying we still mostly have country of origin labelling, GMO labelling is another matter.
But the stores sell tons of the asian farmed stuff and to my knowledge it hasn't caused as much problems as Chinese packed raspberries have.

StevenBauer
01-16-2016, 07:00 AM
They've cancelled the shrimp season here in Maine the last few years but I saw some on sale in the fish store the other day. They say they were Maine Shrimp that had been caught in Canada while on vacation. ;)


Steven

Vince Brennan
01-16-2016, 08:28 AM
^ Peeing on myself laughing! How typical would that be of a Maine vendor?

Ayuh! Bert will never be dead!

john welsford
01-16-2016, 09:11 AM
Interesting, we have a fairly large geothermal power generation station in the middle of our North Island, and the condensed hot water has to be run into ponds and cooled before its allowed to flow out into the river. Those ponds are now used to farm shrimp, much of which is then frozen and exported. The USA is one of the markets into which the product is sold. At your end you can tell where they come from by checking their passports.

John Welsford

Lew Barrett
01-16-2016, 09:22 AM
No.

None for me thank you, unless I'm eating them strictly for the deep fried breading they cover them with. Otherwise, I prefer them 'made in America' and fresher...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/BrianW/Family/reginewithshrimpontable.jpg

There's a photo to warm the heart! A true feast for the eyes in every way.

Michael D. Storey
01-16-2016, 10:07 AM
Lotta places, the shrimp farm is set up in the mangroves. until the shrimp waste kills off the trees and ruins the fresh water. They then move 20 km up or down the coast and set up shop again. Guess what walks right ashore during hurricane season, with no mangroves?
Speaking of Jong-Un, did you see his likeness on this week's New Yorker?

JimD
01-16-2016, 10:47 AM
... When did this happen??
...
Its been happening for years and is only going to get worse.

slug
01-16-2016, 11:05 AM
95 percent of shrimp consumed in the US is imported , the vast majority is farmed.

not much chance of finding a wild domestic shrimp

George Jung
01-16-2016, 11:20 AM
I do miss the fresh (still wiggling) shrimp we had in Alaska - that and the Dungeness, and of course - 'really fresh' salmon (can you hand me a net?).

I read - somewhere - that the firmness/flavor of shrimp of the America's was the way to go - avoid the Asian product, for the above reasons, but also because taste/firmness was inferior.

We're lucky, to some extent (not Brian lucky!) - we have a seafood vendor who flies in fresh seafood daily - and it is a superior product. And you do pay for it.

Old Dryfoot
01-16-2016, 11:22 AM
No.

None for me thank you, unless I'm eating them strictly for the deep fried breading they cover them with. Otherwise, I prefer them 'made in America' and fresher...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/BrianW/Family/reginewithshrimpontable.jpg

Nice haul!

CK 17
01-16-2016, 11:43 AM
Even some of the stuff caught here is processed in China. I found that out when I saw sockeye salmon from China in the deli. Caught here, shipped there. Processed and shipped back. Stupid if you ask me.

I opted out of all of it. I'm a vegetarian now. Yes, I know some veggies are foreign grown and processed. . .

JamesCaird
01-16-2016, 12:08 PM
Re: " Bert will never be dead"- A couple of years ago I was up to Greenville , Maine (USA) for a Seaplane Pilots' Association Flyin, races and banquet/getogether. Once into the banquet hanger I went for the free drinks line while I ordered my flying buddy to go find "someone interesting to sit with". We hauled up alongside the Reverend Bob Bryan who was/is the Flying Parson of Quebec and Labrador serving his parishioners and everyone else via floatplane much of the time. Interesting guy. I later found his book and , although he did not mention it at the banquet, it turns out he was the "Bert" of "Bert and I" along with Marshall Dodge. To his own great amazement his Maine Accented stories (he himself was a Yalie!) were really well received and he sold over a MILLION albums which turns out to be how he financed the airplanes and much of his service to the Coast. A Great Man. Cheers/ Bob Wallace

Phillip Allen
01-16-2016, 12:10 PM
foreign? Just what Earth do you think they come from?

George Jung
01-16-2016, 12:11 PM
Obtuse/purposeful. Predictable/unhelpful.

Mark O.
01-16-2016, 12:21 PM
We had a very good season here in NE Florida on the brown shrimp. I was buying 18 ct. (already headed) off the docks for $7.00/lb. Those shrimp had been swimming earlier that day. Amazing taste. Shrimp and grits...Mmmmmmmm!

CWSmith
01-16-2016, 12:53 PM
Even some of the stuff caught here is processed in China. I found that out when I saw sockeye salmon from China in the deli. Caught here, shipped there. Processed and shipped back. Stupid if you ask me.

I opted out of all of it. I'm a vegetarian now. Yes, I know some veggies are foreign grown and processed. . .

From what little I've seen, the waste from fish processing goes into some much valued fertilizer, so why ship them off for processing? Fish would seem to be the pinnacle of fresh food desirability.

Phillip Allen
01-16-2016, 01:00 PM
Obtuse/purposeful. Predictable/unhelpful.

where was your MRI machine made?

CK 17
01-16-2016, 01:00 PM
foreign? Just what Earth do you think they come from?
adjective1.of, relating to, or derived from anothercountry or nation; not native:foreign cars.


I hope this helps.

Paul Pless
01-16-2016, 01:02 PM
I opted out of all of it. I'm a vegetarian now. that sounds unamerican, are you becoming some of communist???

Paul Pless
01-16-2016, 01:06 PM
where was your MRI machine made?
I bought an MRI machine a few years ago for one of my own projects and for a client of mine. It was manufactured buy GE in New Jersey. . . .

CK 17
01-16-2016, 01:11 PM
that sounds unamerican, are you becoming some of communist???

perhaps, but for now I'm making a stop at democratic socialism to check it out:D

slug
01-16-2016, 01:13 PM
Fish farms are a nightmare. The sea bed under a farm rapidly becomes poluted and devoid of life, the farmed fish are full of parasites , disease and must be chemically treated . Antibiotic resistance is a real problem. Fish are carnivores and must be fed precious fish stock.

the only sustainable farmed seafood are shellfish...filter feeders.

pipefitter
01-16-2016, 01:15 PM
We catch our own as well and it is coming up on the season here soon, even though they can be caught year round. With a long handled dip net and a Coleman lantern, one could catch 50-100 dozen per night, with the largest and firmest coming after a red tide. People will line up (well before dark in which to secure a spot on the bridge) nearly elbow-to-elbow on a certain bridge on a smallish bay south of me and net them faster than one can empty the net, only doing so when it becomes too heavy to lift. Something happens to them after they enter the bay to spawn and they become sweeter than when in the ocean.

I used to keep about 10 dozen select size in a net box tied to my boat slip in the dark, with fish slabs in there to feed them so to be used for live bait. It would make the shells harden and the shrimp extra lively. Of course the smell of the fish in the boxes would cause stone crabs and mangrove snapper to camp out under the slip as well and we seemed to always have somewhat of a buffet occurring there to where we didn't really have to take the boat out to catch food, which I always thought to be a convenient little irony.

slug
01-16-2016, 01:20 PM
Sure...i catch a shrimp or two. At night underlights, at dawn around pilings. The problem is that they are just not a commercialy viable species any more. I watch the trawlers come in with a bucket full of shrimp after a days work.

Keith Wilson
01-16-2016, 01:21 PM
Guys, if the human population is going to continue to eat fish or shrimp, it will have to be farmed. There are no doubt better and worse ways to do it, and significant disadvantages (just like land-based farming or ranching), but wild animals are simply not sufficient to feed humanity, neither by land nor by sea. That time is long gone. We cannot be hunter-gatherers anymore; there are too many of us. Farming fish or shrimp no doubt does damage, but otherwise there will be very few wild fish left. Best get used to it.

slug
01-16-2016, 01:32 PM
Guys, if the human population is going to continue to eat fish or shrimp, it will have to be farmed. There are no doubt better and worse ways to do it, and significant disadvantages (just like land-based farming or ranching), but wild animals are simply not sufficient to feed humanity, neither by land nor by sea. That time is long gone. We cannot be hunter-gatherers anymore; there are too many of us. Farming fish or shrimp no doubt does damage, but otherwise there will be very few wild fish left. Best get used to it.

sure feed fish animal products. This is what they are doing now.

then give the farmed fish an articfical colour and and artificail taste to disguise it.

Hard to call it fish...might as well kick the finfish habit and eat shellfish

pipefitter
01-16-2016, 01:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Bkrgu6Z-s

Breakaway
01-16-2016, 01:54 PM
Soylent Green!

Kevin

Phillip Allen
01-16-2016, 01:58 PM
Even some of the stuff caught here is processed in China. I found that out when I saw sockeye salmon from China in the deli. Caught here, shipped there. Processed and shipped back. Stupid if you ask me.

I opted out of all of it. I'm a vegetarian now. Yes, I know some veggies are foreign grown and processed. . .

are you a vegetarian because you think it's healthier or are you just virtue signaling

slug
01-16-2016, 02:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Bkrgu6Z-s


In regions with shrimp I leave my stern light on at anchor. Shrimp will swim around the lilluminated area. Most times they are little fellows, occasionally a big one pears and can be netted. The Bahama banks were always a good place to catch a few at night.

pipefitter
01-16-2016, 02:17 PM
I'm going to take my sons here in a few weeks once I get the word they are starting to run. While one or two is netting shrimp, the others can catch speckled trout just beyond the glow of the lights.

My step father was a real shrimp/fishing addict and he always took me with and was to be our only common ground and it was enough. I was even allowed to go on school nights as long as I could get out of bed the next morning. . . .and I did. I recall standing at the utility tub in the wash room into the wee hours popping heads and stocking them in tupperware to freeze in ice. The cat, sitting on the washing machine meowing for it's handouts. Soon as we would pull up we would see the cat running for the car so that it could guard the loot all the way to the house,

What a great way to grow up.

Mark O.
01-16-2016, 02:31 PM
We cannot be hunter-gatherers anymore; there are too many of us. Best get used to it.

This "we" can :D. As long as I have a cast net and a fishing pole, I won't starve.

CK 17
01-16-2016, 02:51 PM
are you a vegetarian because you think it's healthier or are you just virtue signaling
It's both healthier and a virtue.

pipefitter
01-16-2016, 03:07 PM
This "we" can :D. As long as I have a cast net and a fishing pole, I won't starve.

The problem isn't the hunter-gatherers, if one gathers from the region they live. Supplying seafood to the hundreds of inland restaurants in bulk is where the problem lies and those folks really don't "need" to eat that source of protein.

My friend's father used to always tell us that only a fool could starve in Florida. We all chose to live the low income life. Paradise over possessions was just a known trade off and yet none of us were ever forced to shop at Walmart. If you tallied up what we gained from the natural resources and converted it to monetary value, I bet we were right up there with the rest of what amounts to a middle class existence, at least in health. Much of which one could not buy, even if they had all the money in the world.

Keith Wilson
01-16-2016, 03:28 PM
This "we" can :D. As long as I have a cast net and a fishing pole, I won't starve.Sure, no doubt you can. There are, however, about 7 billion other people on the planet, and a lot of them want some seafood and have the money to pay for it. Wild stocks are not sufficient to feed that many people. If we (we meaning a lot of us) are going to eat seafood, it will have to be farmed. Get used to it; aside from reducing the human population drastically, we don't have an alternative. Farming seafood is a vastly more efficient use of available resources, and gives us some hope of preserving wild species. Human beings shifted from hunting and gathering on land to husbandry and agriculture a long time ago; we're just now figuring out how to do it offshore. No doubt some people at the time complained that farm-raised food wasn't as good as the traditional wild stuff, and they might have been right. Too late to worry about that now. There are no doubt better and worse ways, less and more harmful ways of farming at sea, and I think it would be a better use of mental energy to figure out the least damaging way to do it rather than complaining.

CK 17
01-16-2016, 03:34 PM
^i know this is a seafood thread, but can't the same be said for the cattle industry? I'd like to think all the beef I ate spent time roaming the plains instead of in industrial stockyards eating other sources of food.

Keith Wilson
01-16-2016, 03:37 PM
Ah, well; it may be a temporary problem. With advances in genetic engineering, in a couple of hundred years, raising whole animals of any kind for food may be as obsolete as hunting mammoths with stone-tipped spears. Meat-in-a-vat might be the standard thing.

Breakaway
01-16-2016, 03:40 PM
This "we" can :D. As long as I have a cast net and a fishing pole, I won't starve.

Well, I agree! But I also know that that is because relatively few people are catching their own food. If an apocalyspe occurs, and everybody left suddenly needs to hunt and fish, the game will be different.


Wild stocks are not sufficient to feed that many people. If we (we meaning a lot of us) are going to eat seafood, it will have to be farmed. Get used to it; aside from reducing the human population drastically, we don't have an alternative. Farming seafood is a vastly more efficient use of available resources, and gives us some hope of preserving wild species. Human beings shifted from hunting and gathering on land to husbandry and agriculture a long time ago; we're just now figuring out how to do it offshore. No doubt some people at the time complained that farm-raised food wasn't as good as the traditional wild stuff, and they might have been right. Too late to worry about that now. There are no doubt better and worse ways, less and more harmful ways of farming at sea, and I think it would be a better use of mental energy to figure out the least damaging way to do it rather than complaining.

In parallel with this, consider that as stocks decrease, there could come a time in which it is no longer economically viable to pursue a fishery, us giving the fish a break.

Kevin

Keith Wilson
01-16-2016, 03:43 PM
In parallel with this, consider that as stocks decrease, there could come a time in which it is no longer economically viable to pursue a fishery.North Atlantic cod fed much of Europe for 400 years. No longer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6dJgmof0E

StevenBauer
01-16-2016, 03:52 PM
This "we" can :D. As long as I have a cast net and a fishing pole, I won't starve.


Except for ocean acidification. That's a game changer. https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification

Tonyr
01-16-2016, 06:20 PM
Except for ocean acidification. That's a game changer. https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification

And that's a technically silly scare story. Just think back to grade 10 chemistry.

Tony.

LOKI
01-16-2016, 07:58 PM
Before you buy that Talapia, perhaps you should GOOGLE it.

Steve McMahon
01-16-2016, 08:08 PM
I break down and buy some of the Asian shrimp only if I have to, which is seldom. I am fortunate to usually be able to obtain a good quantity of cold water shrimp from the Labrador coast. I did read a story recently of a hog farm in Ontario which has converted to farming shrimp in central Canada.

oznabrag
01-16-2016, 08:17 PM
And that's a technically silly scare story. Just think back to grade 10 chemistry.

Tony.

:rolleyes:

George Jung
01-16-2016, 08:20 PM
Appreciate the trolling effort, Tony - even if it was so ham-handed!

Read the Bilge, Grasshopper... the Ways will become apparent, even second-nature.

goodbasil
01-17-2016, 12:45 AM
I eat Canadian caught seafood mostly. Some from the Pacific, other stuff caught in the Atlantic sold under the Captain Highliner brand. Until a few years ago it was caught and packaged in Nova Scotia. Now it is caught in Nova Scotia, shipped to China, packaged and shipped back.

George Jung
01-18-2016, 12:16 PM
Those australian 'lobsters' look a load:

http://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2012/02/24/147367644/six-legged-giant-finds-secret-hideaway-hides-for-80-years?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20160117

StevenBauer
01-18-2016, 12:45 PM
So what's the latest on those "land lobsters"? That story was from a few years ago.


Steven

J P
01-18-2016, 01:29 PM
Fish are carnivores and must be fed precious fish stock.

the only sustainable farmed seafood are shellfish...filter feeders.

There is work being done on developing plant-based feed for fish aquaculture (brief article here (http://www.hcn.org/articles/can-vegetarian-feeds-make-aquaculture-palatable/#commenting)).

I'm 600 miles from an ocean and rarely buy seafood anymore, and picky about it when I do. This thread is a good reminder to renew my fishing license and go catch some local trout ... maybe build a couple crawdad traps.

George Jung
01-18-2016, 01:32 PM
So what's the latest on those "land lobsters"? That story was from a few years ago.


Steven

So.... I'm a slow reader. Who knew?

The Bigfella
01-18-2016, 09:06 PM
I've been in Chiang Mai for about five days now.... can't find American shrimp anywhere. The foreign stuff is everywhere. Mmmm. Good too.

George Jung
01-19-2016, 10:35 AM
Farmed?