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Phillip Allen
01-15-2016, 12:27 PM
10,000 people out of work... congrats

Dave Gray
01-15-2016, 12:33 PM
Ha ha ha, not even an attempt at spin. Pretty lame. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/walmart-to-shutter-269-stores/

CWSmith
01-15-2016, 12:59 PM
I don't think that count takes into account all of the mom & pop stores that were put out of business by the Walmart chain.

Jim Bow
01-15-2016, 01:01 PM
"More than 95 percent of the stores set to be closed in the U.S. are within 10 miles of another Walmart. The Bentonville, Arkansas, company said it is working to ensure that workers are placed in nearby locations."

Sounds like a simple business decision.

Norman Bernstein
01-15-2016, 01:09 PM
Sounds like a simple business decision.

I'm sure it is. However, it's a decision that has implications for more than just the company.

Phillip Allen
01-15-2016, 03:35 PM
I don't think that count takes into account all of the mom & pop stores that were put out of business by the Walmart chain.

what did the mom and pop stores pay their employees?

CWSmith
01-15-2016, 03:39 PM
what did the mom and pop stores pay their employees?

Mom and pop stores tend to pay mom and pop, who are unemployed when Walmart's cheap foreign-made goods flood their town. Whatever the amount is, it would be hard for it to be less than Walmart pays as they are notorious for underpaying their employees.

Paul Pless
01-15-2016, 03:41 PM
Phillip loves him some Walmart.

LeeG
01-15-2016, 03:55 PM
I loves driving to Walmart when I visit my daughter but the gas mart with beer, bait and backer has Goose IPA.

hokiefan
01-15-2016, 04:06 PM
Walmart tried a new business model with small stores. The experiment didn't work and it is mostly these small stores that are getting closed.

Steve McMahon
01-15-2016, 04:08 PM
Too bad there don't seem to be any of their Canadian stores on the closure list. There is always hope.

Paul Pless
01-15-2016, 04:11 PM
F*** Walmart

StevenBauer
01-15-2016, 04:15 PM
There are still wallmarts? Who knew?

Keith Wilson
01-15-2016, 05:38 PM
I dunno - my local Target (the first Target ever, FWIW) has big WE ARE HIRING signs in the entrance. I don't know if working at Target is any better than working at Wal-Mart. Stores come and stores go.

Apropos of nothing, did you know that S.S. Kresge (the founder of Kresge's, the ancestor of K-Mart) was one of the major supporters of Wayne Wheeler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Wheeler) and the Anti-Saloon League, the dedicated folks who brought you Prohibition?

Breakaway
01-15-2016, 05:49 PM
Mom and pop stores tend to pay mom and pop, who are unemployed when Walmart's cheap foreign-made goods flood their town.

Bought my Apple computers ( 3) and iPhones (4) at Walmart. Those weren't cheap.
Bought a Daisy air rifle for my nephew for Christmas. Made in America ( also inexpensive, but not cheap!)
I make these purchases at 830 or 9 at night,when its convenient for me, and, as I recall, Mom and Pop used to be closed at those times.

Haters gotta hate.

Kevin

Kevin

Dave Hadfield
01-15-2016, 05:52 PM
I do try, in my small way, to support businesses I like. Walmart isn't one of them.

I buy hardware and tools and lumber at Smith's Home Hardware, not Home Depot. Housewares at Canadian Tire, not Walmart. My clothes at Marks Work Warehouse, or a local Men's shop, not a big chain. Food we source locally in season -- our meat comes from a local ranch.

It isn't perfect. Sometimes the variety, or late-open hours, lures me in. And while I am willing to pay more for local goods rather than foreign, I baulk at more than 10% or so. But I do try.

For whiskey though, I fold, and buy single-malt scotch!

Dave

CWSmith
01-15-2016, 06:13 PM
Haters gotta hate.

Wow. Calling me a hater because I've heard so very many negative stories about Walmart from employees and providers to ever shop there. Enjoy yourself, Kevin. Meanwhile, you're shopping at Walmart is moving a lot of US jobs overseas, so good for you.

JimD
01-15-2016, 06:17 PM
The great majority of consumers don't care about mom and pop. They don't care how walmart employees are paid or treated. They don't care about the lives of the people in other countries who make all the stuff on the shelves. They care about miles of aisles and roll back prices. And not much else.

Nicholas Scheuer
01-15-2016, 06:17 PM
Hey, Allen, it's WALMART closing their stores, not the "haters". ALL of the stores in Brazil will be closed. "Haters" responsible? More USA stores are planned. "Haters"? If you want to post something about "haters", do it. Don't try some lame-a-sed gambit like "haters" are responsible.

oznabrag
01-15-2016, 06:23 PM
10,000 people out of work... congrats

Neener neener neener!


what did the mom and pop stores pay their employees?

Who cares?

Wal-Mart kicked Mom & Pop to the curb, and now Amazon (an even less-ethical, greed-driven pack of jackals) is kicking them.

It's a jungle out there.

Nicholas Scheuer
01-15-2016, 06:24 PM
I've always been a WALMART "hater", Allen. However, if WALMART ever erected a store hoping I would be a regular customer, that is THEIR error, I had nothing to do with them building a new store, which wipes out many long-time smaller local stores, then closing it due to low returns. I could've told them going in that I would not be a customer. But you can't tell those MBA's anything; they know it all.

CWSmith
01-15-2016, 06:24 PM
...now Amazon (an even less-ethical, greed-driven pack of jackals) is kicking them.

That's news to me. What can you share?

Tom Montgomery
01-15-2016, 06:25 PM
My brother works for Walmart.

Walmart, as a policy, schedules their employees to work less than 40 hours per week. Walmart encourages their employees to apply for food stamps (SNAP) and Medicaid. Walmart even provides their employees with the addresses and contact information needed to apply for this Federal assistance.

Walmart has no shame. The availability of Federal Government social welfare is a significant part of Walmart's business plan. Why does the Federal Government allow itself to be used in this manner by a gigantic corporation? We ain't talking about Mom and Pop here. This is no small business. Walmart is the world's largest retailer. And the American taxpayer is subsidizing Walmart in the USA.

What do you have to say to that, Phillip Allen?
.

oznabrag
01-15-2016, 06:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhKlBH2_dVY

oznabrag
01-15-2016, 06:27 PM
That's news to me. What can you share?

I'll leave that to our brethren in Seattle.

skuthorp
01-15-2016, 06:29 PM
I don't suppose that Walmart is losing it'd socialistic government subsidy as well by chance?

isla
01-15-2016, 06:33 PM
Don't you just love business-speak? We've had downsizing and streamlining now we have..

CEO Doug McMillon told investors that the world's largest retailer would review its fleet of stores with the goal of becoming more nimble..

Bob Adams
01-15-2016, 06:34 PM
My brother works for Walmart.

Walmart, as a policy, schedules their employees to work less than 40 hours per week. Walmart encourages their employees to apply for food stamps and Medicaid. Walmart even provides their employees with the addresses and contact information needed to apply for Federal assistance.

Walmart has no shame. The availability of Federal Government social welfare is a significant part of Walmart's business plan. Why does the Federal Government allow itself to be used in this manner by a gigantic corporation? We ain't talking about Mom and Pop here. This is no small business. Walmart is the world's largest retailer. And the American taxpayer is subsidizing Walmart in the USA.

What do you have to say to that, Phillip Allen?
.

Thank you Mr. Montgomery.

Tom Montgomery
01-15-2016, 06:40 PM
I guess he needs the job. We do what we have to with what we got. Does he have a degree or special skills? Felonies maybe. Oh and this has alot to do with the people that work there. Tell him to quit and you will supporte him.Answer my question:


The availability of Federal Government social welfare is a significant part of Walmart's business plan. Why does the Federal Government allow itself to be used in this manner by a gigantic corporation? We ain't talking about Mom and Pop here. This is no small business. Walmart is the world's largest retailer. And the American taxpayer is subsidizing Walmart in the USA.

Tom Montgomery
01-15-2016, 06:41 PM
What the hell does Phillip have to do with this, That is very rude, you should be bannedOh dry up. :rolleyes:

Phillip Allen is a proud supporter of and advocate for Walmart. Ask him. He'll tell you so.

Tom Montgomery
01-15-2016, 06:43 PM
Do you approve of socialism as practiced by Walmart?

Question for question.

Personally, I think gigantic corporations should pay a living wage. This ain't about Mom and Pop operations much less small business.

Breakaway
01-15-2016, 06:44 PM
http://forum.woodenboat.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery http://forum.woodenboat.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?p=4768685#post4768685)

My brother works for Walmart.

Walmart, as a policy, schedules their employees to work less than 40 hours per week. Walmart encourages their employees to apply for food stamps and Medicaid. Walmart even provides to their employees the addresses and contact information needed to apply for Federal assistance.

Walmart has no shame. Why does the Federal Government allow itself to be used in this manner by a gigantic corporation?








Sounds like a problem with the government. Walmart isnt the only company to take advantage of the laws and regulations. I take advantage of every tax break I can, went to school on student loans, etc. I am sure many mom and pop do the same things, may have even started their business with an SBA loan. I worked for a Mom and Pop and OT was always avoided by them scheduling us employees in creative ways.

I guess what I am asking is: Do you object to what Walmart is doing or is it just the scale of what they are doing?

Kevin

Bob Adams
01-15-2016, 06:44 PM
What the hell does Phillip have to do with this, That is very rude, you should be banned

You are joking....aren't you?

Tom Montgomery
01-15-2016, 06:46 PM
Well isn't that special?

Tom Montgomery
01-15-2016, 06:47 PM
You are joking....aren't you?
No, I don't think he is joking. More's the pity.

Tom Montgomery
01-15-2016, 06:49 PM
Walmart isnt the only company to take advantage of the laws and regulations....

I guess what I am asking is: Do you object to what Walmart is doing or is it just the scale of what they are doing?And my employer, Ford Motor Company, also takes advantage of every Federal tax break, law and regulation available to them.

I think gigantic corporations should pay a living wage. Ford Motor Company does so.

Clearly, Walmart has no intention of doing so.

Phillip Allen
01-15-2016, 06:50 PM
amazing

Phillip Allen
01-15-2016, 06:52 PM
Don't go there if ya don't want to. Kinda simple in my mind. You talk bs and think you can cure all the problems of the world on a boat forum.

11,000 stores, Bobby... and they can't even make a difference with themselves! :)

Tom Montgomery
01-15-2016, 06:52 PM
You talk bs and think you can cure all the problems of the world on a boat forum.
And why are YOU here in the WBF Bilge, exactly?

Nicholas Scheuer
01-15-2016, 06:53 PM
Hey WALMART! "Nimble" THIS!

Phillip Allen
01-15-2016, 06:53 PM
Phillip doesn't think about the MILLIONS of good paying manufacturing jobs WalMart helped ship overseas.

don't be silly... you customers and Bill Cinton sent those jobs over seas

Tom Montgomery
01-15-2016, 06:54 PM
amazingSo do you agree with Bobby of Tulsa that I was rude toward you and should be banned?

Phillip Allen
01-15-2016, 06:55 PM
And why are YOU here in the WBF Bilge, exactly?

because he wants to be... just like you

Tom Montgomery
01-15-2016, 06:55 PM
What you guys seem to not under stand is most retail and food places do the same thing. After 29 hours you are full time. That means the whole benifit [sic] package.Is that right? I call bs.

Bob Adams
01-15-2016, 06:56 PM
Bobby there is a reason they have to work there, all the good paying middle class jobs have been shipped off shore due to the likes of WalMart. There is no choice.

Bob Adams
01-15-2016, 06:56 PM
Is that right? I call bs.

It is BS.

Tom Montgomery
01-15-2016, 06:57 PM
They should just be happy they have a job. And the Federal Government social welfare programs.

Tom Montgomery
01-15-2016, 06:57 PM
To keep the BYOB goin, next question.Just one reason why I seldom enter Glen's pub.

Phillip Allen
01-15-2016, 06:59 PM
Just one reason why I seldom enter Glen's pub.

that oughta keep the atmosphere clear there :)

Tom Montgomery
01-15-2016, 07:03 PM
And just to be absolutely clear, in post #23 I stated facts. No one seems to be disputing them.

I only mentioned my brother to establish that I am getting my info regarding Walmart first-hand.

The opinions I stated about Walmart are strictly my own. I would think that is obvious.

Given that, I consider the negative comments leveled about my brother to be extremely rude. No doubt such rudeness is immune to banishment.

Ted Hoppe
01-15-2016, 07:05 PM
amazing


http://i2.wp.com/www.ambrosekane.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Women31.jpg

CWSmith
01-15-2016, 07:06 PM
I consider the negative comments leveled about my brother to be extremely rude.

+1 !

Joe (SoCal)
01-15-2016, 07:06 PM
Don't go there if ya don't want to. Kinda simple in my mind. You talk bs and think you can cure all the problems of the world on a boat forum.

I don't and millions and millions don't and that's why their stores are closing and my wife keeps groupon.com / amazon.com / zappos.com - buisy. Problem solved ;)

Hugh Conway
01-15-2016, 07:12 PM
groupon/amazon aren't any better.

Tom Montgomery
01-15-2016, 07:15 PM
I ask you a question about your brother, I made no statement about him.


Does he have a degree or special skills? Felonies maybe. Oh and this has alot to do with the people that work there. Tell him to quit and you will support him.

Kiss my Ankel. I know lots of people that work there and they have been there many years. I don't hear them griping about it.I consider both of these remarks to be directed at my brother and to be extremely rude.

No… my brother is not a felon. :mad:

No… I never said my brother ever griped about his employer. :rolleyes:

It is amazing what people get away with on this forum. And God forbid you utter the wrong word or post a bikini pic.

Tom Montgomery
01-15-2016, 07:22 PM
Congratulations. You now land on my well-populated ignore list. So far close to 50% on my list have ended up permanently banned.

Hugh Conway
01-15-2016, 07:23 PM
They are all for profit groups.

yes they are.


Regarding an earlier comment: Target is always hiring because it, like Walmart and many retailers, has very high turnover. This runs up to the store management ("team leads" in Target parlance) >50% annually.

Phillip Allen
01-15-2016, 07:27 PM
So you are the button pusher?

we've known that for a long time

Tom Montgomery
01-15-2016, 07:27 PM
I see that Bobby of Tulsa has posted. Is he addressing me or someone else?

Breakaway
01-15-2016, 07:32 PM
And my employer, Ford Motor Company, also takes advantage of every Federal tax break, law and regulation available to them.

I think gigantic corporations should pay a living wage. Ford Motor Company does so.

Clearly, Walmart has no intention of doing so.

Let's compare apples to apples. What positions at Ford are you comparing with Walmart? I don't know, but I'd guess, that the average assembly-line worker's duties require a higher level of skill than that of the average associate at Walmart. And I personally believe that skill level should be part of the calculus used to determine an individual's rate of pay. What do you think? Should lower-skilled people be paid equivalent to those with superior skills?

Now, suppose we compared a marketing executive or a member of the legal team or an accountant each at an " equal height" on each company's corporate ladder: do you have evidence to support the position that Ford pays more?

Kevin

Tom Montgomery
01-15-2016, 07:37 PM
Let's compare apples to apples. What positions at Ford are you comparing with Walmart? I don't know, but I'd guess, that the average assembly-line worker's duties require a higher level of skill than that of the average associate at Walmart.And you are incorrect.

The difference between a Walmart employee and the average Ford Motor Company assembly worker is that one is represented by a union and the other is not.

Also that one had a Ford Motor Company employee relative or friend as a reference on his Ford Motor Company employment application and the other did not.

Breakaway
01-15-2016, 07:53 PM
The difference between a Walmart employee and the average Ford Motor Company assembly worker is that one is represented by a union and the other is not.

Put another way, the Ford wages are high due to their employees having a powerful lobby working for them.




Also that one had a Ford Motor Company employee relative or friend as a reference on his Ford Motor Company employment application and the other did not.

Add nepotism to the list of evil deeds! :d

Kevin

Tom Montgomery
01-15-2016, 07:57 PM
Put another way, the Ford wages are high due to their employees having a powerful lobby working for them.Change the word "lobby" to the word "agent" and I will agree.


Add nepotism to the list of evil deeds! :dFord Motor Company encourages nepotism in its hiring policy. Always has.

When Ford Motor Company determines that Kentucky Truck plant, for example, needs to hire a few hundred people, it hands out formal reference forms to all the hourly employees to give to family and friends. Believe me, a reference given by me ensures preferential treatment. Of course the applicant still needs to be able bodied, able to read and write, and able to pass a drug test. Just as do prospective Walmart employees.

Ted Hoppe
01-15-2016, 08:00 PM
For the glass half full folks - The insurance for most of the Walmart employees won't change do to the layoffs.

Bob Adams
01-15-2016, 08:08 PM
Wal-Mart vs Costco

...a radical idea:
Treating customers and employees right is good business

http://www.vizettes.com/perspectives/tc/walmart/walmart-vs-costco.htm

Phillip Allen
01-15-2016, 08:10 PM
Change the word "lobby" to the word "agent" and I will agree.

Ford Motor Company encourages nepotism in its hiring policy. Always has.

When Ford Motor Company determines that Kentucky Truck plant, for example, needs to hire a few hundred people, it hands out formal reference forms to all the hourly employees to give to family and friends. Believe me, a reference given by me ensures preferential treatment. Of course the applicant still needs to be able bodied, able to read and write, and able to pass a drug test. Just as do prospective Walmart employees.

agent? lobby? what sort of self deluding game are you playing at?

Duncan Gibbs
01-15-2016, 08:26 PM
The Walmart "business" model is to use the company as a cash machine. It's long term viability doesn't really matter to the Waltons, so long as they can keep sucking the lower classes' cash by selling low cost, low quality crap made by even lower paid workers in China and other lax labour markets.

Phillip Allen
01-15-2016, 08:32 PM
Your 'clueless' is showing, Phillip.
My wife's uncle started as a union-member grunt at the Torrence Avenue assembly plant. He retired as an Industrial Engineering Manager, proud of his union background.

Oh, the Wal*Mart based sitcom is on in ten minutes. Gonna have a few laughs. Later, guys.

do you agree that union agent vs. lobby are the same? heck, the NRA is a union, ya know

Joe (SoCal)
01-15-2016, 08:33 PM
groupon/amazon aren't any better.

Tell that to my wife
I don't shop I cook ;)

Bob Adams
01-15-2016, 08:35 PM
For the glass half full folks - The insurance for most of the Walmart employees won't change do to the layoffs.

True that....can't lose what you don't have.:rolleyes:

Breakaway
01-15-2016, 08:35 PM
Not too bright, are you, Kevin? Do you think those Ford employees were highly skilled, even superior skilled workers off the street? The difference is, Ford invested in these employees, so they increased their value to the company, and increased their earnings. What investment does Wal*Mart make in their employees to improve their skillsets, and make them more valuable, higher earning workers?

First of all, I see no need for insults. Bright people never see the need to do so.

Second, what skill sets could Walmart invest in its employees? I am sure they have a management training program, but the business is different than Ford. They are a retailer of average price items and Ford is a manufacturer of high priced goods. The opportunities to invest or advance are less. Just the way is. No one is forcing anyone to work at Walmart or Ford for that matter. Yes, no man is entirely, " self made." But that doesn't mean one should abandon ambition and risk- taking altogether. If one doesn't like their current straits one should set a new course.

Kevin

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Tom Montgomery
01-15-2016, 08:36 PM
do you agree that union agent vs. lobby are the same? heck, the NRA is a union, ya know
Does a "lobby" negotiate contracts on behalf of its clients?

Just who is "playing games" here?

Joe (SoCal)
01-15-2016, 08:37 PM
Just one last question, when you kill WalMart where are all these people gonna work? I mean if they are working there now?

.......... wait for it ...............








OTHER Jobs thats why they are call Jobs.



Target, Cosco etc .... Maybe even some Mom and Pop shops will fill the void and hire FULL TIME employees

Joe (SoCal)
01-15-2016, 08:41 PM
So you are the button pusher?

Can't push the button if you put them on ignore ..... that's kinda the point of IGNORE ;)
Sheesh if if you were right I would be Awww Shucks ® Button pushing all day every day :D
But I haven't seen a post of his in a long long long long time :D

Phillip Allen
01-15-2016, 08:43 PM
Wal-Mart vs Costco

...a radical idea:
Treating customers and employees right is good business

http://www.vizettes.com/perspectives/tc/walmart/walmart-vs-costco.htm

cosco is a club isn't it? one must buy a membership, right? doesn't seem to lend itself to a direct comparison now, does it?

CWSmith
01-15-2016, 08:45 PM
First of all, I see no need for insults. Bright people never see the need to do so.

How ironic when you called me a hater in #15.


No one is forcing anyone to work at Walmart or Ford for that matter. Yes, no man is entirely, " self made." But that doesn't mean one should abandon ambition and risk- taking altogether. If one doesn't like their current straits one should set a new course.

Too many people don't have the choice of a better job.

David G
01-15-2016, 08:45 PM
Wal-Mart has developed a successful business model that takes advantage of flaws in current regulations, and burgeoning sources of inexpensive imported goods. The regulatory system needs to catch up to their merciless, amoral, approach and rein it in, as it causes perversely anti-social outcomes. Anyone who defends their model is, at best, shortsighted.

Bob Adams
01-15-2016, 08:47 PM
cosco is a club isn't it? one must buy a membership, right? doesn't seem to lend itself to a direct comparison now, does it?


Membership doesn't mean jack. It's about a quality way of doing business AND MAKING MONEY AT IT vs. the WalMart slum method

Tom Montgomery
01-15-2016, 08:48 PM
cosco is a club isn't it? one must buy a membership, right? doesn't seem to lend itself to a direct comparison now, does it?
Sam's Club is owned by Wal-Mart Stores Inc. isn't it? It is a club isn't it? One must buy a membership, right? So it seems to lend itself to a direct comparison with Costco, doesn't it?

So how does Sam's Club's treatment of employees compare to Costco's treatment of employees?

And how does Sam's Club's treatment of employees compare to that of Walmart's treatment of employees?

Joe (SoCal)
01-15-2016, 08:48 PM
wal-mart has developed a successful business model that takes advantage of flaws in current regulations, and burgeoning sources of inexpensive imported goods. The regulatory system needs to catch up to their merciless, amoral, approach and rein it in, as it causes perversely anti-social outcomes. Anyone who defends their model is, at best, shortsighted.

brilliant !!!! Y>

Phillip Allen
01-15-2016, 08:50 PM
Membership doesn't mean jack. It's about a quality way of doing business AND MAKING MONEY AT IT vs. the WalMart slum method.

you are heavily in favor of unionizing everything, aren't you? thus union control over all others... right?

CWSmith
01-15-2016, 08:50 PM
Sam Walton was a friend of Jimmy Carter. I never have understood that.

Phillip Allen
01-15-2016, 08:52 PM
Sam's Club is owned by Walmart Incorporated isn't it? It is a club isn't it? One must buy a membership, right? So it seems to lend itself to a direct comparison with Costco, doesn't it?

So how does Sam's Club's treatment of employees compare to Costco's treatment of employees?

comparison with Walmart falls on kmart and target and similar things... sams club is even officed in a separate address

Tom Montgomery
01-15-2016, 08:55 PM
Oh please.... :rolleyes:

Sam's Club is owned by Wal-Mart Stores Inc.

Compare how Sam's Club treats its employees with how Costco treats its employees. Apples and apples, dontcha know?

Start with a comparison of employee wages.

Bob Adams
01-15-2016, 08:55 PM
Goodnight guys, lets see how many pages this is in the morning. Hey Phillip, why haven't you posted on the WalMart effect thread?

Breakaway
01-15-2016, 09:06 PM
Too many people don't have the choice of a better job.

Agreed. There are only "better" jobs because there are "lesser" jobs. Everyone can't win. That's unfortunate, but a fact.

Kevin

Breakaway
01-15-2016, 09:08 PM
Too many people don't have the choice of a better job.

Agreed. There are only "better" jobs because there are "lesser" jobs. Everyone can't win. That's unfortunate, but a fact.



Sam Walton was a friend of Jimmy Carter. I never have understood that

Think: two brilliant individuals, both at the top of their respective fields.

Kevin

Kevin

Breakaway
01-15-2016, 09:17 PM
How ironic when you called me a hater in #15.

You made this statement in #7, which I took to be you self-identifying as a Walmart Hater:


Mom and pop stores tend to pay mom and pop, who are unemployed when Walmart's cheap foreign-made goods flood their town. Whatever the amount is, it would be hard for it to be less than Walmart pays as they are notorious for underpaying their employees.

So, do you hate Walmart or not? If you do hate Walmart, no insult was rendered, merely a statement of fact. If you do not hate Walmart, please say so and I will retract my post and apologize.

Kevin

CWSmith
01-15-2016, 09:36 PM
You made this statement in #7, which I took to be you self-identifying as a Walmart Hater:

So, do you hate Walmart or not? If you do hate Walmart, no insult was rendered, merely a statement of fact. If you do not hate Walmart, please say so and I will retract my post and apologize.

Kevin

You said, "Haters got to hate." If you do not understand the logic, it means you accuse me of having only that emotion to offer.

I disapprove of WalMart's predatory practices and choose to spend my $$ elsewhere. It's not hate. I do not respect greed.

Breakaway
01-15-2016, 09:43 PM
You said, "Haters got to hate." If you do not understand the logic, it means you accuse me of having only that emotion to offer.

No. If you do not understand people who mean what they write, I took your statements to mean you hate Walmart. Nothing more. Nothing less.



I disapprove of WalMart's predatory practices and choose to spend my $$ elsewhere. It's not hate. I do not respect greed.

Then I apologize for calling you a hater.

Kevin

Hugh Conway
01-15-2016, 09:59 PM
Agreed. There are only "better" jobs because there are "lesser" jobs. Everyone can't win. That's unfortunate, but a fact.

Kevin

What's more unfortunate is the skills minimum wage employers are training their employees in are not means to success.​

CK 17
01-15-2016, 10:19 PM
269 less places to buy guns.

CWSmith
01-15-2016, 10:20 PM
Then I apologize for calling you a hater.

Kevin

Thank you.

Breakaway
01-15-2016, 10:22 PM
What's more unfortunate is the skills minimum wage employers are training their employees in are not means to success.​

This is true, too. Some jobs just aren't pathways to success. At least not directly.But some folks work dead end jobs in full knowledge of that fact. They might do so in order to finance night school, or to close their mortgage sooner, or put the kids in school with less financial stress, or.... These folks are called winners.

Kevin

Phillip Allen
01-15-2016, 10:44 PM
269 less places to buy guns.

I don't think you are well informed... guns aren't sold in many states (through walmart) for different reasons. to make such bald statement is pretty silly

our local wm sells guns but not our local sam's club... you need to get hold of your bigotry

hokiefan
01-15-2016, 10:47 PM
This is true, too. Some jobs just aren't pathways to success. At least not directly.But some folks work dead end jobs in full knowledge of that fact. They might do so in order to finance night school, or to close their mortgage sooner, or put the kids in school with less financial stress, or.... These folks are called winners.

Kevin

But wouldn't you think the nation's LARGEST employer has some obligation to treat their employees fairly? And not mooch off the government?

The Bigfella
01-15-2016, 10:51 PM
I don't think you are well informed... guns aren't sold in many states (through walmart) for different reasons. to make such bald statement is pretty silly

our local wm sells guns but not our local sam's club... you need to get hold of your bigotry


Someone here's got hold of something... but it ain't his bigotry

Dave Hadfield
01-16-2016, 12:40 AM
Well this was a happy little thread...

L.W. Baxter
01-16-2016, 01:00 AM
I checked out the "Walmart Neighborhood Market" near me (which is on the list to be shuttered), and found the atmosphere to be comically sterile. It was like a regular Walmart but without any stuff, and no customers.

I am completely unsurprised by the failure, I could have told them to forget it a couple years ago.

slug
01-16-2016, 02:51 AM
Yah..liberals hate corporations...them against us

On the bright side.....once Sanders is elected and run all corporations out of the country , the liberals will able to do some celebratory fist pumping, throw a few high fives , then sit back, light up a joint and celebrate mass unemployment .

skuthorp
01-16-2016, 05:23 AM
Wal-Mart has developed a successful business model that takes advantage of flaws in current regulations, and burgeoning sources of inexpensive imported goods. The regulatory system needs to catch up to their merciless, amoral, approach and rein it in, as it causes perversely anti-social outcomes. Anyone who defends their model is, at best, shortsighted.
FLAWS??? Isn't that the understatement to beat all others?
And I am amazed at those on the right that continue to support a corporation that is a parasite on the public teat. The Government should at least resume that portion of the company that equates with the taxpayers subsidy. After all the taxpayer has paid for it.

PeterSibley
01-16-2016, 05:38 AM
Jeff, we both know do that the public teat is only off limits to the poor, to the top end of town it's an endless cash cow. The GFC was proof of that.

mdh
01-16-2016, 07:23 AM
But wouldn't you think the nation's LARGEST employer has some obligation to treat their employees fairly? And not mooch off the government?

Every company can't be Solyndra.

Chris Coose
01-16-2016, 07:44 AM
Walmart, like all big box discount, junk stores has an expiration date, no matter how big it is. We may not see it in our life times but it is going down someday. I wasn't surprised to see this announcement. I'm sort of surprised it's demise hasn't gone quicker with Internet shopping.

Shop local. Walmart is ****.

Bob Adams
01-16-2016, 07:51 AM
Only 3 pages? Phillip must have went to bed early. I also note he has not contributed to the Wal-Mart effect thread. Oh, BTW, there are already 317 former Wal-Mart's sitting empty.

http://grist.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/empty-walmart-flickr-msmail-400w.jpg

https://www.google.com/search?q=empty+walmart+buildings&sa=X&biw=1600&bih=737&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ved=0ahUKEwj3uLDrr67KAhVCzz4KHQoRCgIQsAQIIg&dpr=1

mdh
01-16-2016, 08:01 AM
Only 3 pages? Phillip must have went to bed early. I also note he has not contributed to the Wal-Mart effect thread. Oh, BTW, there are already 317 former Wal-Mart's sitting empty.





https://www.google.com/search?q=empty+walmart+buildings&sa=X&biw=1600&bih=737&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ved=0ahUKEwj3uLDrr67KAhVCzz4KHQoRCgIQsAQIIg&dpr=1

I know where one is. There's a new one 2 miles away, on the other side of a small town. Another was remodeled into one of the larger local grocery chains. Seems like many c-stores, they're continually upgrading.

Bob Adams
01-16-2016, 08:14 AM
We have one about a mile away, built as a Sam's, it was open only about 2 years. They closed it and built a Wal-Mart less than 1/2 mile away. The building has been empty for 7-8 years.

Osborne Russell
01-16-2016, 08:19 AM
Yah..liberals hate corporations...them against us

You GD right there is a them and an us. Why should corporations be able to limit their liability when we can't? How can the fact that they are able to limit their liability not become the source of illegitimate political power? If they rule without my consent, why shouldn't I hate them?

Phillip Allen
01-16-2016, 12:12 PM
But wouldn't you think the nation's LARGEST employer has some obligation to treat their employees fairly? And not mooch off the government?

the nation's largest employer is the government

George Jung
01-16-2016, 12:14 PM
Still stands.

Canoeyawl
01-16-2016, 01:18 PM
And you are incorrect.

The difference between a Walmart employee and the average Ford Motor Company assembly worker is that one is represented by a union and the other is not.


There is another difference, a far more significant one. Ford actually produces something. Ford makes a product that from they design, manufacture, market and support.
This involves a highly skilled and trained work force and by design requires a true vested interest in the lives of each and every employee.
Something Wall mart will never have.

There is no comparison. With Ford the money serves far greater public interest than enriching the Walton's.

Walmart is just a medicine show selling whatever the fools will buy. This is never more evident than after a natural disaster that leaves a technicolor swath of Chinese widgets and cheap fabric strewn in it's path.

Stay away from Walmart and let it whither and die. You and the country will be better for it. If your desired widget is "too much money" elsewhere, you don't need it anyway.

Canoeyawl
01-16-2016, 01:30 PM
the nation's largest employer is the government

We should think clearly about that term "nation"...
Collectively we can do without box stores, but without "nation" we will all become Walmartians. A Serfdom, a mass of uneducated fools working for pittance from single family.


noun
1. Nation


a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own:

oznabrag
01-16-2016, 01:32 PM
Yah..liberals hate corporations...them against us

On the bright side.....once Sanders is elected and run all corporations out of the country , the liberals will able to do some celebratory fist pumping, throw a few high fives , then sit back, light up a joint and celebrate mass unemployment .

We don't hate corporations, we hate idiots.


Jeff, we both know do that the public teat is only off limits to the poor, to the top end of town it's an endless cash cow. The GFC was proof of that.

Nailed.


Only 3 pages? Phillip must have went to bed early. I also note he has not contributed to the Wal-Mart effect thread. Oh, BTW, there are already 317 former Wal-Mart's sitting empty.



Wal-Mart loves acquiring real estate.


You GD right there is a them and an us. Why should corporations be able to limit their liability when we can't? How can the fact that they are able to limit their liability not become the source of illegitimate political power? If they rule without my consent, why shouldn't I hate them?

Because they have more money than you do.

That is the entire rationale behind the RFP.


the nation's largest employer is the government

We should strip that down to a couple of thousand, and farm out all the functions of government to Wal-Mart.

Ted Hoppe
01-16-2016, 01:42 PM
Walmart is just a medicine show selling whatever the fools will buy. This is never more evident than after a natural disaster that leaves a technicolor swath of Chinese widgets and cheap fabric strewn in it's path.

Stay away from Walmart and let it whither and die. You and the country will be better for it. If your desired widget is "too much money" elsewhere, you don't need it anyway.

the local news says the super Walmart near me is closing as they must pay the minimum 12.75 an hour for floor help which is too much for their profitable business model. I believe this is a deciding factor in of many of them as cheap food was the principle draw and mass consumption of goods was where they truly profit. Fewer buy the cheap non food items as most have had their fill.

Perhaps Walmart is the big marshmallow test. The closing of such stores indicate there might be fewer rooms and plates for their marshmallows by their customers who might seek tempting & cheap immediate gratification.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX_oy9614HQ

Phillip Allen
01-16-2016, 01:53 PM
We should think clearly about that term "nation"...
Collectively we can do without box stores, but without "nation" we will all become Walmartians. A Serfdom, a mass of uneducated fools working for pittance from single family.


noun
1. Nation


a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own:


very clever... wrong but clever. at least some of us have people we know working for wm and you just called them uneducated fools.

Ted Hoppe
01-16-2016, 02:04 PM
very clever... wrong but clever. at least some of us have people we know working for wm and you just called them uneducated fools.

Philip - If you knew you had your people working for a marginal coal mine earning less than required for reasonable wage and lacking health insurance - what would you call them?

slug
01-16-2016, 02:11 PM
Walmart sells at low prices , has a very small 2.8 percent profit margin and employes 1.4 million people in america .

liberals obviously dont agree with this buisness model.

The consumer does.

Peerie Maa
01-16-2016, 02:12 PM
Philip - If you knew you had your people working for a marginal coal mine earning less than required for reasonable wage and lacking health insurance - what would you call them?

desperate?

Ted Hoppe
01-16-2016, 02:22 PM
Walmart sells at low prices , has a very small 2.8 percent profit margin and employes 1.4 million people in america .

liberals obviously dont agree with this business model.

The consumer does.

No doubt about that. Walmart works well as long as wages keep up with inflation. The job recovery since 2008 indicates the wages for most have remained flat. Those labor forces and minimum wage demands have taken a toll on profitability. Interestingly enough - one can look at their stock price to see their health.

http://time.com/money/4075258/walmart-stock-price-shopping/
On Wednesday, shares of Walmart dropped 10% (http://time.com/4074733/walmart-20-billion-stock-shares/?xid=homepage), the biggest drop in the company’s stock price in 15 years. The reason cited for the huge selloff was the company’s announcement that it expected revenues to be flat in the current fiscal year—and perhaps even decline the following year. And the reason given for why revenues are taking a hit is that after years of underinvestment Walmart is finally spending big money in key areas such as worker wages and its e-commerce operations.
Investors may not be happy with the company in the short term, but the moves are aimed at making Walmart a better place to shop—which should serve consumers and investors alike in the long run.
Essentially, Walmart is owning up to the fact that the shopping experience it’s been offering in recent years has been severely lacking. Throughout 2013 in particular, reports surfaced regularly about Walmart shelves being empty (http://business.time.com/2013/03/27/hey-walmart-its-hard-to-make-sales-when-store-shelves-are-empty/), mainly because stores had cut worker hours (http://business.time.com/2013/04/09/the-trouble-lurking-on-walmarts-empty-shelves/) as cost-saving measures.

Canoeyawl
01-16-2016, 02:22 PM
The Walmart business model

http://i1045.photobucket.com/albums/b457/canoeyawl/Studebaker/image.jpg1_4.jpg

Bob Adams
01-16-2016, 02:23 PM
The real tragedy is we did this to our ourselves. People with good manufacturing jobs started buying cheap imported garbage with no thought to the fact they were sawing off the branch they were sitting on. Back then we had a choice, spend an extra percent or two on domestically manufactured goods or get the cheap stuff. We chose unwisely and Wal-Mart exploited our stupidity and shortsightedness. Now the choice is gone, the domestic products are no more.

Canoeyawl
01-16-2016, 02:27 PM
The real tragedy is we did this to our ourselves. ... Now the choice is gone, the domestic products are no more.

And what is left of our resources and raw materials are either wasted or being shipped to the countries that can exploit it. This is the story of the fall of civilizations throughout recorded history.

slug
01-16-2016, 02:29 PM
No doubt about that. Walmart works well as long as wages keep up with inflation. The job recovery since 2008 indicates the wages for most have remained flat. Those labor forces and minimum wage demands have taken a toll on profitability. Interestingly enough - one can look at their stock price to see their health.

http://time.com/money/4075258/walmart-stock-price-shopping/
On Wednesday, shares of Walmart dropped 10% (http://time.com/4074733/walmart-20-billion-stock-shares/?xid=homepage), the biggest drop in the company’s stock price in 15 years. The reason cited for the huge selloff was the company’s announcement that it expected revenues to be flat in the current fiscal year—and perhaps even decline the following year. And the reason given for why revenues are taking a hit is that after years of underinvestment Walmart is finally spending big money in key areas such as worker wages and its e-commerce operations.
Investors may not be happy with the company in the short term, but the moves are aimed at making Walmart a better place to shop—which should serve consumers and investors alike in the long run.
Essentially, Walmart is owning up to the fact that the shopping experience it’s been offering in recent years has been severely lacking. Throughout 2013 in particular, reports surfaced regularly about Walmart shelves being empty (http://business.time.com/2013/03/27/hey-walmart-its-hard-to-make-sales-when-store-shelves-are-empty/), mainly because stores had cut worker hours (http://business.time.com/2013/04/09/the-trouble-lurking-on-walmarts-empty-shelves/) as cost-saving measures.


Amazon and the internet are destroying the walmart buisness model. Soon everyone will be buying cheap chinese stuff from companies who have no employees

oznabrag
01-16-2016, 02:43 PM
The real tragedy is we did this to our ourselves. People with good manufacturing jobs started buying cheap imported garbage with no thought to the fact they were sawing off the branch they were sitting on. Back then we had a choice, spend an extra percent or two on domestically manufactured goods or get the cheap stuff. We chose unwisely and Wal-Mart exploited our stupidity and shortsightedness. Now the choice is gone, the domestic products are no more.

This is true, as far as it goes, but Sam Walton was a genius. Flat-out brilliant.

He would buy pallets/truckloads of items that normally retailed at $7.

The normal price included a 30% markup to the retailer.

Now, those items would sell at $7, but slowly, so sooner or later a pallet or a truckload would show up for cheap, and Sam would grab it quick.

Say the wholesale price on the item was $4, and Sam managed to buy 20,000 of them for $1.50.

What he did then was to mark them up to $2.

You would go into Wal-Mart, see a made-in-America pencil sharpener for $2, and what the heck, get 3 of them!

He would gross 50˘ per unit, which no other retailer could stomach, but he sold the entire truckload of pencil sharpeners in a week, for a $10,000 gross profit.

That was real money in 1970.

That business model could only take him so far, however.

People wanted to be able to go in and buy what they needed, not just whatever Sam could get a good deal on, so that's when the cheap goods started flooding in.

Canoeyawl
01-16-2016, 03:03 PM
Amazon and the internet are destroying the walmart buisness model.

Yes, it is "The Internets" fault! Poor walmart...!

Many small busineses have established succesfull enterprises using Amazons fulfillment and or marketing. The new "Mom and Pop" model. I think this may be directly related to real estate pricing combined with the inconvienienec of dealing with the inefficiency of 10 million products in one big box and no one available to help,you. Now with the price of oil down, the delivery system will flourish, perhaps forever dooming the big box stores to the dustbin of history. So, if you know someone working at Walmart, you might advise them to think about another job.


"In 2015, Amazon surpassed Walmart as the most valuable retailer in the United States by market capitalization."





"Amazon derives many of its sales from third-party sellers who sell products on Amazon (around 40% in 2008). Associates receive a commission for referring customers to Amazon by placing links to Amazon on their websites, if the referral results in a sale. Worldwide, Amazon has "over 900,000 members" in its affiliate programs. According to W3Techs the Amazon Affiliate Program is used by 1.2% of all websites, and it is the second most popular advertising network after Google Ads. It is frequently used by websites and non-profits to provide a way for supporters to earn them commission. Amazon reported over 1.3 million sellers sold products through Amazon's websites in 2007. Unlike eBay, Amazon sellers do not have to maintain separate payment accounts; all payments are handled by Amazon.


Associates can access the Amazon catalog directly on their websites by using the Amazon Web Services (AWS) XML service. A new affiliate product, aStore, allows Associates to embed a subset of Amazon products within another website, or linked to another website. In June 2010, Amazon Seller Product Suggestions was launched (rumored to be internally called "Project Genesis") to provide more transparency to sellers by recommending specific products to third-party sellers to sell on Amazon. Products suggested are based on customers' browsing history."
Wiki

slug
01-16-2016, 03:12 PM
sounds like a bunch of giberish to me

revenue per employee Amazon...Walmart


as you can see Amazon has few employees


http://s2.postimg.org/ka6vlt7c9/image.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/6t9x2xx0l/full/)
free jpeg images (http://postimage.org/)

CWSmith
01-16-2016, 03:29 PM
The real tragedy is we did this to our ourselves. People with good manufacturing jobs started buying cheap imported garbage with no thought to the fact they were sawing off the branch they were sitting on. Back then we had a choice, spend an extra percent or two on domestically manufactured goods or get the cheap stuff. We chose unwisely and Wal-Mart exploited our stupidity and shortsightedness. Now the choice is gone, the domestic products are no more.

B I N G O ! Except, we can regrow it with pain.

Phillip Allen
01-16-2016, 04:41 PM
I know where one is. There's a new one 2 miles away, on the other side of a small town. Another was remodeled into one of the larger local grocery chains. Seems like many c-stores, they're continually upgrading.chains? really? don't they drive mom and pops out of business... JUST LIKE WALART!!!

Canoeyawl
01-16-2016, 04:50 PM
sounds like a bunch of giberish to me

revenue per employee Amazon...Walmart


as you can see Amazon has few employees


Exactly - they are a commission based fulfillment service that provides income to producers and independent vendors that use the Amazon marketing/ fulfillment software.

I know a married couple that sell books through Amazon, they travel to estate sales, buy book lots, sort them for the more valuable items and sell them and ship them (in Amazon Boxes) all from their home. They sell the remaining books by the pound, not fooling with a book that sells for less than $100. They make a good living.
Traveling when they want and keeping their own hours, they are self employed with few restraints except they have to do what they say they will do. Making 2 or 2-1/2 bucks a year...

The Walton's could never allow a subcontractor mom and pop to operate like that. They have to control the entire supply chain and they demand that you as end user travel to them. Shopping on foot and walking around in a two acre box, looking high and low for your particular widget is just silly, not to mention very inefficient.
Unless your shopping is completely impulse driven from what I can see that business model is dead. It is a rare day that I drive to a store, unless it is for perishables like food.

Phillip Allen
01-16-2016, 04:57 PM
the walmart business model

http://i1045.photobucket.com/albums/b457/canoeyawl/studebaker/image.jpg1_4.jpg

fire em all!!! ...

slug
01-16-2016, 05:01 PM
Exactly - they are a commission based fulfillment service that provides income to producers and independent vendors that use the Amazon marketing/ fulfillment software.

I know a married couple that sell books through Amazon, they travel to estate sales, buy book lots, sort them for the more valuable items and sell them and ship them (in Amazon Boxes) all from their home. They sell the remaining books by the pound, not fooling with a book that sells for less than $100. They make a good living.
Traveling when they want and keeping their own hours, they are self employed with few restraints except they have to do what they say they will do. Making 2 or 2-1/2 bucks a year...

The Walton's could never allow a subcontractor mom and pop to operate like that. They have to control the entire supply chain and they demand that you as end user travel to them. Shopping on foot and walking around in a two acre box, looking high and low for your particular widget is just silly, not to mention very inefficient.
Unless your shopping is completely impulse driven from what I can see that business model is dead. It is a rare day that I drive to a store, unless it is for perishables like food.


Err emm...walmart employes one percent of the american workforce.

what will you do with these workers ? Turn them into Burrito folders ? Export them to canada ?

Phillip Allen
01-16-2016, 05:13 PM
Err emm...walmart employes one percent of the american workforce.

what will you do with these workers ? Turn them into Burrito folders ? Export them to canada ?

I doubt the 'problem' has occurred to him... corporations MUST be hated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvGmOZ5T6_Y

Bob Adams
01-16-2016, 05:17 PM
Phillip, YOU are the one using the word hate here. have you visited the "Wal-Mart effect thread yet? Be careful, I wouldn't want your head to explode.

Breakaway
01-16-2016, 05:55 PM
People with good manufacturing jobs started buying cheap imported garbage

Bob, would you be able to list some " expensive domestic quality goods" you could recommend as examples of the opposite of WM's, " cheap imported garbage?"

Kevin

Bob Adams
01-16-2016, 05:57 PM
Bob, would you be able to list some " expensive domestic quality goods" you could recommend as examples of the opposite of WM's, " cheap imported garbage?"

Kevin

Not anymore.

Edited to add:
I still buy domestic products whenever they are available. Don't have much of a selection anymore. I get many links to domestically produced stuff here;

https://www.facebook.com/groups/121653061248641/

Peerie Maa
01-16-2016, 06:04 PM
Amazon and the internet are destroying the walmart buisness model. Soon everyone will be buying cheap chinese stuff from companies who have no employees

They don't have to let the internet damage their business.
One of our supermarket chains employ staff to assemble an internet order which is then delivered to the door. We see several store staff pushing carts around our store when we shop.

Phillip Allen
01-16-2016, 08:32 PM
Bob, would you be able to list some " expensive domestic quality goods" you could recommend as examples of the opposite of WM's, " cheap imported garbage?"

Kevin

he never could have

George Jung
01-16-2016, 08:52 PM
You seem despondent, Phillip - all negativity, all the time.

Ever thought of a change? If not for you - for us?

Jimmy W
01-16-2016, 08:55 PM
They don't have to let the internet damage their business.
One of our supermarket chains employ staff to assemble an internet order which is then delivered to the door. We see several store staff pushing carts around our store when we shop.
Walmart does the same thing. Order online and either have them ship it to you or pick it up at a local store. Available pretty fast if it in stock in the local store. The new Walmart near here has a pickup area right inside the front door.

Bob Adams
01-16-2016, 08:55 PM
he never could have

10 years ago I certainly could have. As I have your attention, for the umpteenth time, what do you think of this?

The Wal-Mart Effect

-A model on the march As the world's largest corporation and the nation's leading retailer rapidly expands into core urban areas from its original base in small Southern and Midwestern towns, Wal-Mart stores (especially its huge Supercenters with grocery departments) face many objections. Their size destroys community character (the National Trust for Historic Preservation recently said superstores threatened the entire state of Vermont); they create traffic problems and urban sprawl, and they leave behind ugly, unused hulks as business strategies shift (371 Wal-Marts currently stand empty).
Wal-Mart's low-road labor strategy drives countless other companies to cut wages and benefits of both retail and manufacturing workers and to buy more products from lowest-wage producers overseas, leading to what critics call the "Walmartization" of America.
While Wal-Mart competition does lower prices, it also depresses wages and eliminates jobs. One 1999 study reported that 1.5 jobs had been lost for every job that Wal-Mart createD.
But "Walmartization of America has a broader impact than just retail workers," says Greg Denier, spokesman for the United Food and Commercial Workers, which represents grocery workers. "Wal-Mart probably has had more negative impact on manufacturing than on other jobs in the United States.
Wal-Mart also squeezes American consumer goods producers, forcing them to cut labor costs, move overseas or be replaced by foreign suppliers. Accounting for 10 percent of all U.S. imports from China in 2002, the corporation even pressures wages downward in poor countries, from El Salvador to Bangladesh. It also drives competitors to import more, pushing the True Value hardware store cooperative to boost imports from less than 1 percent of its products to 18 percent.
Wal-Mart also shifts many of its costs to taxpayers (or other businesses that indirectly pay costs of Wal-Mart's underinsured employees). A recent study by Good Jobs First, an organization that monitors economic development policies, found that state and local governments had given at least $1 billion in subsidies to stores and distribution centers.
Wal-Mart also pays so little that many of its workers rely on state healthcare subsidies, food stamps, housing vouchers and other public aid. According to a recent study by the University of California at Berkeley Center for Labor Research and Education, California alone spends $10 billion annually to subsidize Wal-Mart and similar low-wage employers. Congressional Democratic staff calculates that federal taxpayers pay $2,103 per year in subsidies for the average Wal-Mart worker
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/774/

Phillip Allen
01-16-2016, 09:08 PM
You seem despondent, Phillip - all negativity, all the time.

Ever thought of a change? If not for you - for us?

where was your MRI machine made?

Bob Adams
01-16-2016, 09:10 PM
where was your MRI machine made?

New Jersey. How about post 143

George Jung
01-16-2016, 09:10 PM
If you can't stay on topic, stay off thread. If you can't make a simple point, give up the 'gotcha' crap - it's embarrassing (for you).

Got something on your mind? Spit it out.

Got something constructive to add to a discussion? Let's hear it.

mdh
01-16-2016, 09:11 PM
$2103 for an average wm worker. How much for an average E4?

Phillip Allen
01-16-2016, 09:12 PM
If you can't stay on topic, stay off thread. If you can't make a simple point, give up the 'gotcha' crap - it's embarrassing (for you).

Got something on your mind? Spit it out.

Got something constructive to add to a discussion? Let's hear it.

sorry, I didn't catch that... where?

Bob Adams
01-16-2016, 09:14 PM
Read 143 yet?

George Jung
01-16-2016, 09:15 PM
Hehehe.... beyond recovery.....

Bob Adams
01-16-2016, 09:16 PM
Boggles the mind doesn't it?

Bob Adams
01-16-2016, 09:31 PM
Time for bed. I guess Mr. Allen cannot come up with satisfactory pro Wal-Mart spin for the Wal-Mart effect. The way he defends them one can only wonder if he is as unethical as they are. Good night.

The Bigfella
01-16-2016, 09:34 PM
never beyond recovery

http://49.media.tumblr.com/bc77cf62e1d24896cf115b7127194e1b/tumblr_nap4ayJyUu1qkd8xuo1_400.gif

Ralphie Boy
01-16-2016, 11:06 PM
I admit it, I do hate Wallmart. As post 143 stated, these jobs that Wallmart provides came at the cost of more, higher paying jobs. Hopefully if Wallmart goes away then better jobs will replace them. I do not shop at Wallmart myself, so I won't shed a tear. We could bring manufacturing back to this country if we brought back some reasonable tariffs. I think the whole free trade bs has been horrible for the majority of America. Who has free trade benefitted? The large corporations who want to sell overseas. We have been allowing goods into our country which are essentially created with slave labor, which has decimated our manufacturing base. This is why the middle class is a dying breed in America.

I am liberal, but don't hate all corporations, just ones like Wallmart who actually hurt our country, environment, or people. When Wallmart wants to put a new store in, they won't do it without major tax concessions from the government. So, not only does this huge corporation put little stores out of business, but it ends up paying less taxes than the other businesses did. How is that fair? I don't know why any city would allow Wallmart in under those conditions.

There was a thread recently asking whether it was morally acceptable for 1 person to be a billionaire. Well, I heard that the Walton family has more money than around 40% of Americans do combined, IIRC. Is that morally acceptable, in a democratic society? I'm all for free enterprise, but it seems that the government should be doing things to help small business owners, instead of helping people like the Walton's get even richer at the expense of the rest of us. We need a Teddy Roosevelt again!

Canoeyawl
01-16-2016, 11:13 PM
Taking a thread about Walmart personally. What's up with that?

Phillip Allen
01-17-2016, 12:05 AM
I admit it, I do hate Wallmart. As post 143 stated, these jobs that Wallmart provides came at the cost of more, higher paying jobs. Hopefully if Wallmart goes away then better jobs will replace them. I do not shop at Wallmart myself, so I won't shed a tear. We could bring manufacturing back to this country if we brought back some reasonable tariffs. I think the whole free trade bs has been horrible for the majority of America. Who has free trade benefitted? The large corporations who want to sell overseas. We have been allowing goods into our country which are essentially created with slave labor, which has decimated our manufacturing base. This is why the middle class is a dying breed in America.

I am liberal, but don't hate all corporations, just ones like Wallmart who actually hurt our country, environment, or people. When Wallmart wants to put a new store in, they won't do it without major tax concessions from the government. So, not only does this huge corporation put little stores out of business, but it ends up paying less taxes than the other businesses did. How is that fair? I don't know why any city would allow Wallmart in under those conditions.

There was a thread recently asking whether it was morally acceptable for 1 person to be a billionaire. Well, I heard that the Walton family has more money than around 40% of Americans do combined, IIRC. Is that morally acceptable, in a democratic society? I'm all for free enterprise, but it seems that the government should be doing things to help small business owners, instead of helping people like the Walton's get even richer at the expense of the rest of us. We need a Teddy Roosevelt again!

10,000 unemployed pleases you... you're wrong, ya know... wm pays more than minimum wage but mom and pops pay exactly minimum wage. turn 10,000 loose on the streets to look for work and the wages go DOWN and not up... this whole wm hatred thing is a fraud or you'd include the other big box stores... which you don't

Phillip Allen
01-17-2016, 12:09 AM
Hehehe.... beyond recovery.....

so, where were your MRI machines made?

hokiefan
01-17-2016, 12:37 AM
10,000 unemployed pleases you... you're wrong, ya know... wm pays more than minimum wage but mom and pops pay exactly minimum wage. turn 10,000 loose on the streets to look for work and the wages go DOWN and not up... this whole wm hatred thing is a fraud or you'd include the other big box stores... which you don't

You are forgetting about mom and pop themselves who were a significant percentage of the employees of mom and pop stores. They could make a decent living, not like the starvation wages that Walmart pays. And if you are going to argue that Walmart pays more than starvation wages why do so many Walmart employees need food stamps.

Why should my taxes support Walmart with wage subsidies? Explain that.

http://www.jwj.org/walmarts-food-stamp-scam-explained-in-one-easy-chart

Phillip Allen
01-17-2016, 12:42 AM
You are forgetting about mom and pop themselves who were a significant percentage of the employees of mom and pop stores. They could make a decent living, not like the starvation wages that Walmart pays. And if you are going to argue that Walmart pays more than starvation wages why do so many Walmart employees need food stamps.

Why should my taxes support Walmart with wage subsidies? Explain that oh Mr Walmart fanboi...

do yourself a favor... look up the average wage for employees in Springdale, Arkansas then look up the minimum wage for the same area

hokiefan
01-17-2016, 12:46 AM
so, where were your MRI machines made?

Won't be long before they are made in China. http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/stories/2008-04-30/made-in-china-mri-machines


do yourself a favor... look up the average wage for employees in Springdale, Arkansas then look up the minimum wage for the same area

When you answer the question with a real answer I'll consider doing that research. Here's the question, are you happy subsidizing Walmart's wages with food stamps?

Phillip Allen
01-17-2016, 12:48 AM
Won't be long before they are made in China. http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/stories/2008-04-30/made-in-china-mri-machines



When you answer the question with a real answer I'll consider doing that research. Here's the question, are you happy subsidizing Walmart's wages with food stamps?

WE subsidize lots of business with food stamps... are you happy subsidizing everyone EXCEPT walmart?

BTW the MRI machines intended for full sized human being and not dogs and cats ARE made in China... just like all that cheap wm junk but not the inexpensive kmart stuff (rolling eyes)... you'll notice the China detractors avoided answering that direct question... the good doctor even admitted it was a gotcha question, a confession if ever there was one!

hating walmart is just more virtue signaling

hokiefan
01-17-2016, 01:51 AM
I'm not happy subsidizing any large business with food stamps, which is why I favor a significant increase in the minimum wage. And you are right that Walmart isn't the only offender. Just the LARGEST, which makes them a target. They earned that position, they'll have to deal with it.

Lew Barrett
01-17-2016, 02:00 AM
I would never choose to shop at Walmart. Just a real lousy experience, not fun. I tried but they don't offer anything I need, want or can't buy better elsewhere. There's a Sam's club near our house here. We do a fair amount at Costco but it's not as convenient as the loc al Sam's Club so I thought I'd walk in to Sam's and take a look to see if they might substitute. Nah. Crappy.

They're just not very good experiences. For me, a personal boycott is a practical rather than ideological matter. The attitude of the management is reflected in the presentation and the products on offer. I'd be surprised if the Walton's shop there since I'd imagine they are not looking for the worst shopping experience in America either.

slug
01-17-2016, 03:26 AM
Whoa..more and more virtue signaling !!!! by the liberal sushi crowd !!!

bring it on .......

skuthorp
01-17-2016, 06:00 AM
I'm not happy subsidizing any large business with food stamps, which is why I favor a significant increase in the minimum wage. And you are right that Walmart isn't the only offender. Just the LARGEST, which makes them a target. They earned that position, they'll have to deal with it.
There's an old fashioned Aussie word for what Walmart and it's ilk do, Bludging. Bludging on their fellow citizens, on the taxpayers, on the SS system. And "bludger" is about the worst insult one can give a person in Aus.

slug
01-17-2016, 06:15 AM
There's an old fashioned Aussie word for what Walmart and it's ilk do, Bludging. Bludging on their fellow citizens, on the taxpayers, on the SS system. And "bludger" is about the worst insult one can give a person in Aus.


It wont work..raise the min wage and the company goes out of buisness or sacks workers.

Instead of a subsidy, you are now paying full support to the unemployed and breeding all the social dysfunction that stems from unemployment

snap out of it

Peerie Maa
01-17-2016, 06:36 AM
Won't be long before they are made in China. http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/stories/2008-04-30/made-in-china-mri-machines



When you answer the question with a real answer I'll consider doing that research. Here's the question, are you happy subsidizing Walmart's wages with food stamps?

Better question - is he happy to subsidise Walmart 's owners with food stamps for their staff?

Durnik
01-17-2016, 06:40 AM
If you can't stay on topic, stay off thread. If you can't make a simple point, give up the 'gotcha' crap - it's embarrassing (for you).

Got something on your mind? Spit it out.

Got something constructive to add to a discussion? Let's hear it.

Thank you George




never beyond recovery

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Praise the Lord & pass the biscuits!




raise the min wage and...

Which is why what we need to do is lower the maximum wage (more correctly, tie it to the minimum) - & taxes (to support necessary infrastructure - seen many roads recently?) are the best way to do that.

enjoy
bobby

Duncan Gibbs
01-17-2016, 06:44 AM
It wont work..raise the min wage and the company goes out of buisness or sacks workers.

Instead of a subsidy, you are now paying full support to the unemployed and breeding all the social dysfunction that stems from unemployment

snap out of it
What on Earth are you blabbering about? The company isn't there to employ anyone at all if they could help it. They just have to in order to keep gouging the USA (and anywhere else they move to) and the public purse. They company had total cash reserves of $1.85 billion in 2015 on revenues of nearly $500 billion, yet the three main family members - Jim, Alice and Rob - will receive over $3 billion in dividends from these "marginal" profits. The total family worth is estimated at over $140 billion. They could double every employee's wage and barely notice the blip in their accounts. Why don't they? Pure venal greed and a desire to live the life of oligarchs.

Tax 'em! Tax 'em hard!

Bob Adams
01-17-2016, 09:36 AM
Good Morning folks! Well, a bunch of posts have gone by and Mr. Allen STILL has not addressed post#143. What's up Phillip, need to wait until Monday to get a proper response from Wal-Mart's propaganda, er, I mean PR department?

Tom Montgomery
01-17-2016, 09:44 AM
WE subsidize lots of business with food stamps... are you happy subsidizing everyone EXCEPT walmart?
Does not compute.

Tom Montgomery
01-17-2016, 09:47 AM
Good Morning folks! Well, a bunch of posts have gone by and Mr. Allen STILL has not addressed post#143. What's up Phillip, need to wait until Monday to get a proper response from Wal-Mart's propaganda, er, I mean PR department?Phillip has stated this many times that he WILL NOT repond to INTERROGATION.

LOL! :d

George Jung
01-17-2016, 10:29 AM
Bludging on their fellow citizens


Kinda like what ol' Phillip tries to do with the Bilge crowd. Not really a 'citizen', and by design - seems proud of that. I have to wonder - what's going on in anyone's life - and I'd include a number of others here who seemingly get their jollies by being obstreperous - that they see this as an enjoyable avenue?

I don't have an MRI, Phillip. Duh.

S.V. Airlie
01-17-2016, 10:50 AM
Phillip has stated this many times that he WILL NOT repond to INTERROGATION.

LOL! :dIt's his MO and proud of it. He makes all these broad posts and can't support them when it's crunch time. which is most of the time. Sounds like most repubnuts, not all republicans here but, those who are the most verbal here..

Phillip Allen
01-17-2016, 11:21 AM
Kinda like what ol' Phillip tries to do with the Bilge crowd. Not really a 'citizen', and by design - seems proud of that. I have to wonder - what's going on in anyone's life - and I'd include a number of others here who seemingly get their jollies by being obstreperous - that they see this as an enjoyable avenue?

I don't have an MRI, Phillip. Duh.

look at the hospital's unit... I've had several and make it a point to look up at the manufacturing plate... all china so far

by the 'local' logic, that makes it trash from walmart

The Bigfella
01-17-2016, 11:24 AM
look at the hospital's unit... I've had several and make it a point to look up at the manufacturing plate... all china so far

by the 'local' logic, that makes it trash from walmart


Give up the MRI's. They seem to be causing a problem

George Jung
01-17-2016, 11:25 AM
Hehehe.... I dunno.... I think it goes deeper than that.

Phillip Allen
01-17-2016, 11:28 AM
Does not compute.

sure it does

S.V. Airlie
01-17-2016, 11:29 AM
ook at the hospital's unit... I've had several and make it a point to look up at the manufacturing plate... all china so far

by the 'local' logic, that makes it trash from walmart.

So, what kind of unit again? I didn't realize they were from China!:)

oznabrag
01-17-2016, 11:31 AM
Good Morning folks! Well, a bunch of posts have gone by and Mr. Allen STILL has not addressed post#143. What's up Phillip, need to wait until Monday to get a proper response from Wal-Mart's propaganda, er, I mean PR department?

Monday is MLK day, so PR will be closed.

George Jung
01-17-2016, 11:32 AM
It's a false comparison - that somehow, GE jobs making any type of high-tech equipment (jet engines, CT, MRI, whatever) somehow correlates to a less than minimum wage with no benefits job at Walmart. It's weak, simplistic, and incorrect.

And it's all allen can come up with. Sad, eh?

Canoeyawl
01-17-2016, 12:24 PM
Walmart is poisoning America

Chinese snacks and then a Chinese MRI, what is the world coming to?


had Meghan and her friend over for a long weekend... stopped at walmart and got lots of trashy food for them to munch on while they were watching movies...


... about an hour later Meghan wakes me... she has another migraine headache... she gets em regular and the docs can't seem to find the source or fix it... this one was BAD and we ended up at the ER until 0400 this morning. ...I'll take em to a movie and whatever they want to eat. it's all I know how to do for them

Thread drift...
I do feel sorry for the poor girl though and suggest you/she keep track of these migraines (log them to observe any patterns) and see a neurologist. Note the ingredients of the "snacks". My sister suffered from Migraines for most of her life until she learned she is allergic to corn of all things. It is almost impossible to buy processed food without corn syrup.

George Jung
01-17-2016, 12:30 PM
The 'preservatives' may be the trigger - sulfites, nitrates etc.... cured meats; wine/beer; raw onions, chocolate; those are (some of) my triggers. Chronic meds (there are several) can help; acute meds, such as imitrex, worth their weight in gold. Also some 'procedures' that can be lifesavers.

Canoeyawl
01-17-2016, 12:32 PM
acetaminophen (Tylenol) is a trigger for me...

go figure

Phillip Allen
01-17-2016, 12:40 PM
about Meghan... thank you very much. you can depend on it being investigated

Bob Adams
01-17-2016, 01:08 PM
Hey Phillip, glad Meghan is OK,.... how about 143???

(Sorry folks, I can't help myself.)

Durnik
01-17-2016, 01:23 PM
The devil made ya do it! ;-)

Bob Adams
01-17-2016, 03:09 PM
In case Phillip has me on ignore, someone please quote me.

Hey Mr. Allen, still waiting for your opinion on post 143!

Tom Montgomery
01-17-2016, 03:14 PM
In case Phillip has me on ignore, someone please quote me.

Hey Mr. Allen, still waiting for your opinion on post 143!My pleasure.

Don't hold your breath though. Phillip refuses to respond to INTERROGATION by the LYNCH MOB.

S.V. Airlie
01-17-2016, 03:20 PM
My pleasure.

Don't hold your breath though. Phillip refuses to respond to INTERROGATION by the LYNCH MOB.Name, rank and serial number!:)

ccmanuals
01-17-2016, 03:20 PM
It wont work..raise the min wage and the company goes out of buisness or sacks workers.

Instead of a subsidy, you are now paying full support to the unemployed and breeding all the social dysfunction that stems from unemployment

snap out of it

Costco is living proof that your statement is fiction.

S.V. Airlie
01-17-2016, 03:23 PM
Costco is living proof that your statement is fiction.Isn't it usual for sluggish?:)

Ralphie Boy
01-18-2016, 12:04 AM
Don't you just love it when Conservatives pretend to be concerned with people's jobs? That's kind of like a member of the KKK pretending to be concerned with civil rights.

If the government did things right , I believe there would be plenty of jobs to go around. But of course, if this was the case, companies like Walmart would have to pay their workers more. Conservatives love it that the average American worker now has to compete with a worker in India or Myanmar who makes a fraction of the Americans salary. This way, the conservatives,, (who often either own a company or live off their stock holdings in such companies) can get away with paying crap wages, but have convinced themselves they are doing their workers a favor!

slug
01-18-2016, 01:00 AM
Costco is living proof that your statement is fiction.


Read it...then put your dunce hat on and retract your statement.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/district-leaders-furious-walmart-wont-build-stores-in-poor-neighborhoods/2016/01/15/3425f5fa-bbb3-11e5-99f3-184bc379b12d_story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/with-wal-mart-veto-dc-mayor-puts-citys-poor-ahead-of-rally-cry-for-working-poor/2013/09/14/096a646e-1c81-11e3-82ef-a059e54c49d0_story.html


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Bob Adams
01-18-2016, 06:04 AM
Typical. Phillip probably won't comment on this either.

Duncan Gibbs
01-18-2016, 06:14 AM
^ So they'll hold out a bribe in order to get what they want from the public purse, and then break their promises to the public when the get what they want. No wonder the middle and lower classes and the medium to small businesses are getting screwed in the Excited States! They should be made to sign contracts with liquidated damages clauses before getting all this corporate welfare. Blood sucking bludgers.

skuthorp
01-18-2016, 06:15 AM
Seems the city got taken for a sucker. I presume that 'promise' wasn't in writing?

Bob Adams
01-18-2016, 06:34 AM
Seems the city got taken for a sucker. I presume that 'promise' wasn't in writing?

They don't seem to care much about contracts....my post in the Wal-Mart Effect thread:


I worked for Unilever HPC and a company formed by the spin off of their laundry division, Sun Products. Sun Products decided to try and retake the #1 title Wisk detergent once had. A contract was made with Wal-Mart and nearly 3 months of our plant's production was dedicated to it. P&G got wind of it and not wanting us going after Tide, made Wal-Mart a better deal. Wal-Mart canceled our deal AFTER the product was made and said in effect, "Yes we have a contract, but if you make us honor it you can pull all your products from our stores". They are so big we had no choice but eat the product. They dictate terms and price because they are so powerful. They force vendors to offshore and outsource to meet their demands. They are the number one reason there are few decent jobs for the average Joe.

slug
01-18-2016, 07:03 AM
^ So they'll hold out a bribe in order to get what they want from the public purse, and then break their promises to the public when the get what they want. No wonder the middle and lower classes and the medium to small businesses are getting screwed in the Excited States! They should be made to sign contracts with liquidated damages clauses before getting all this corporate welfare. Blood sucking bludgers.


The increase in minimum wage to 15 dollars per hour made the stores uneconomic. This liberal interference in the economy eliminated jobs and services to the community.

if liberals continiue to inflict policy , the entire economy will collapse.

Vote them out of office NOW.

Duncan Gibbs
01-18-2016, 07:21 AM
^ No! The gauging of the company by the Waltons has made the stores uneconomic. The company, which has a turnover of nearly $500 billion, paid the three main Waltons over $3 billion in dividends, whilst it only has $1.85 billion in cash reserves. Apple, OTOH, whilst it's salary levels have increased as a result of public pressure, still manages to increase its cash reserves to over $200 billion. So your piffle about entire economies collapsing is exactly that: Piffle. Tosh and nonsense as well.

The Waltons only maintain the company so they can feather their own nest. They're nought but greedy bastwerds.

slug
01-18-2016, 07:28 AM
^ No! The gauging of the company by the Waltons has made the stores uneconomic. The company, which has a turnover of nearly $500 billion, paid the three main Waltons over $3 billion in dividends, whilst it only has $1.85 billion in cash reserves. Apple, OTOH, whilst it's salary levels have increased as a result of public pressure, still manages to increase its cash reserves to over $200 billion. So your piffle about entire economies collapsing is exactly that: Piffle. Tosh and nonsense as well.

The Waltons only maintain the company so they can feather their own nest. They're nought but greedy bastwerds.


Whoa... Sounds like you have wrecking ball swinging loose inside your head


.sober up.


Read the articles.

if you have a hard time reading and comprehending I will post an audio file of the articles so that you may listen to them .

Duncan Gibbs
01-18-2016, 07:44 AM
Sluggish! The richest 62 people on the planet have as much as the poorest 40% of the planet's population and could easily wipe out global poverty between them and STILL have enough cash left over for a mountain of caviar served on a football pitch sized solid gold plate and more.

Making these greedy, selfish oligarchs pay their fair share of tax will NOT sink the economy. Quite the inverse. More cash in the economic system being spent by ordinary people is what makes an economy successful. Shoving money upward to a very few WILL sink an economy, but these rich bastwerds don't really give rats. If you think they do then I've got some really neat flying pigs to sell you!

ccmanuals
01-18-2016, 11:41 AM
The increase in minimum wage to 15 dollars per hour made the stores uneconomic. This liberal interference in the economy eliminated jobs and services to the community.

if liberals continiue to inflict policy , the entire economy will collapse.

Vote them out of office NOW.

I'm giving you back your dunce cap. Read it and weep.

http://www.businessinsider.com/costco-pays-retail-employees-20-an-hour-2014-10

slug
01-18-2016, 12:36 PM
I'm giving you back your dunce cap. Read it and weep.

http://www.businessinsider.com/costco-pays-retail-employees-20-an-hour-2014-10


Not so fast ....Put your dunce hat back on .

Costco pays salaries that are determined by its buisness needs ....not by government fiat. !!!!!!

good grief.....are you 11 years old ?

Acknowledge reality.....liberals have no option but to stand aside...just get the hell out of the way...or the US economy will wither

hokiefan
01-18-2016, 12:45 PM
Another one for the ignore bin...

ccmanuals
01-18-2016, 12:49 PM
Not so fast ....Put your dunce hat back on .

Costco pays salaries that are determined by its buisness needs ....not by government fiat. !!!!!!

good grief.....are you 11 years old ?

Acknowledge reality.....liberals have no option but to stand aside...just get the hell out of the way...or the US economy will wither

Well, you finally got my point. It is better business to pay higher salaries which is the opposite of what you are saying. A rising tide lifts all boats.

Your thinly veiled contention that a lais·sez-faire approach to business and the wonders of trickle down have been proven again and again to be a fantasy.

The dunce cap is now your permanent cover.

slug
01-18-2016, 12:55 PM
Yep.


as I previously mentioned ...liberals must get out of the way...stand down....or the country will suffer


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Phillip Allen
01-18-2016, 01:44 PM
Another one for the ignore bin...

lalalalalalaalala... ah kain't hear you!

slug
01-18-2016, 01:50 PM
lalalalalalaalala... ah kain't hear you!


The shocking part is the comparison between Costco and Walmart wages



incredible..

.I'm convinced that liberals should be denied the vote.

it is the only way.

ccmanuals
01-18-2016, 02:00 PM
The shocking part is the comparison between Costco and Walmart wages



incredible..

.I'm convinced that liberals should be denied the vote.

it is the only way.

for republicans to win. :)

Phillip Allen
01-18-2016, 02:09 PM
The shocking part is the comparison between Costco and Walmart wages



incredible..

.I'm convinced that liberals should be denied the vote.

it is the only way.

I'm looking forward to the liberal response

Phillip Allen
01-18-2016, 02:11 PM
for republicans to win. :)

it's all just a game to you, isn't it?

ccmanuals
01-18-2016, 02:17 PM
it's all just a game to you, isn't it?

actually no. it's a forum for some crotchety old wooden boat folks.

Want to guess the name of the only state mentioned in the Bible?

George Jung
01-18-2016, 02:20 PM
Crotchety? Now... who comes to mind...

osborni
01-18-2016, 02:42 PM
Walmart isn't closing stores due to higher min wages. They are a ~50 year old company and they need new brick and mortar.

That said, Walmart is the poster child for "beggar-thy-neighbor" corporate economics. By suppressing wage and working hours, they are cost shifting onto local governments. When people can't earn a living wage and the computer scheduling system keeps people under full time, somebody has to pay for food stamps and medical care. That somebody is us, the US taxpayer.

Evidence - how Costco pays and treats their employees.

Canoeyawl
01-18-2016, 04:23 PM
Walmart isn't closing stores due to higher min wages. They are a ~50 year old company and they need new brick and mortar.

.

That explains everything.

(Don't we know a bricks and mortar guy?)

Boston
01-18-2016, 05:26 PM
Well I'm a wallmart hater and I'm thrilled. The fewer wallmart stores the less tax money is wasted subsidizing their profit margin.

See the high cost of low prices

;--)

S.V. Airlie
01-18-2016, 05:33 PM
I think it should be a requirement if Walmart closes these stores and can't rent them, they should be torn down. Why, empty buildings are hangouts for kids, drug deals, prostitution, can be caught on fire being empty, a burden on the fire department. Injuries etc.

Now one suggestion, make apartments out of them for say the homeless. Get them off the streets. Regardless, as they are eyesores and should be used or destroyed..

bobbys
01-18-2016, 06:38 PM
Taking a thread about Walmart personally. What's up with that?.

Dunno ,but noticed some resorted to the ignore announcement.

bobbys
01-18-2016, 06:39 PM
You are forgetting about mom and pop themselves who were a significant percentage of the employees of mom and pop stores. They could make a decent living, not like the starvation wages that Walmart pays. And if you are going to argue that Walmart pays more than starvation wages why do so many Walmart employees need food stamps.

Why should my taxes support Walmart with wage subsidies? Explain that.

http://www.jwj.org/walmarts-food-stamp-scam-explained-in-one-easy-chart.

Why should my taxes go to greenies that want a electric car and get a 7500 dollar credit.

Canoeyawl
01-18-2016, 06:43 PM
.

Why should my taxes go to greenies that want a electric car and get a 7500 dollar credit.


Why indeed... Maybe so you and yours can go fishing in less polluted water.

You would rather your tax money go to the Walton family?

Boston
01-18-2016, 06:43 PM
There's a $7,500 electric car credit ? where do I sign up. I'm in th market and while I was going to go diesel and convert it to vegi. I'd be willing to consider electric with the right incentives

Link anyone ?

bobbys
01-18-2016, 06:49 PM
Phillip has stated this many times that he WILL NOT repond to INTERROGATION.

LOL! :d
.

Maybe he sees it as a Kangaroo court.

S.V. Airlie
01-18-2016, 06:53 PM
Maybe he hasn't a leg to stand on and knows it!

bobbys
01-18-2016, 06:58 PM
The great majority of consumers don't care about mom and pop. They don't care how walmart employees are paid or treated. They don't care about the lives of the people in other countries who make all the stuff on the shelves. They care about miles of aisles and roll back prices. And not much else.
.

I lived my whole life by the bid, Most all people could care less if I paid well ,had all the saftey gear, had loyal employees, , a lot would hire out of the tavern if they got a good price.

bobbys
01-18-2016, 07:07 PM
Tell that to my wife
I don't shop I cook ;).

I just talked to my buddy who worked for a Amazon place in Florida, He was shell shocked from it and said its modern day slavery. No chairs allowed ,stop watches on the workers, low wages,etc.

bobbys
01-18-2016, 07:12 PM
There is another difference, a far more significant one. Ford actually produces something. Ford makes a product that from they design, manufacture, market and support.
This involves a highly skilled and trained work force and by design requires a true vested interest in the lives of each and every employee.
Something Wall mart will never have.

There is no comparison. With Ford the money serves far greater public interest than enriching the Walton's.

Walmart is just a medicine show selling whatever the fools will buy. This is never more evident than after a natural disaster that leaves a technicolor swath of Chinese widgets and cheap fabric strewn in it's path.

Stay away from Walmart and let it whither and die. You and the country will be better for it. If your desired widget is "too much money" elsewhere, you don't need it anyway.
.

Here we go again with the China routine .

One might notice when we have a car thread every lib reminisces of their forgein sports car and dreams of buying anything but merican again....

If Wall mart sold English racing green MGBS every lib would be standing in line there.

bobbys
01-18-2016, 07:14 PM
Why indeed... Maybe so you and yours can go fishing in less polluted water.

You would rather your tax money go to the Walton family?.

Bad exsample , dams produce electricity which block Salmon.

Paul Pless
01-18-2016, 07:18 PM
.

Here we go again with the China routine .

One might notice when we have a car thread every lib reminisces of their forgein sports car and dreams of buying anything but merican again....

If Wall mart sold English racing green MGBS every lib would be standing in line there.

This lib has owned and will own again Corvettes. Also a fan of Chevy trucks. . .

Canoeyawl
01-18-2016, 07:36 PM
This lib has American cars and trucks. Big heavy ones, and a little fast one.


I don't have any problem with China, I have a problem with exploitation no matter who is doing it.

It is odd that some need to justify "Cheap" at any cost. Those people hiring roofers out of the tavern? There's your Walmart shoppers...

Paul Pless
01-18-2016, 07:39 PM
Says the man who drives a Nissan Pick-Up!!

Made in Mississippi. LOL

bobbys
01-18-2016, 07:40 PM
Says the man who drives a Nissan Pick-Up!!
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This is true.

Along with 2 jeeps ,a big FORD expitition now.

Sorry TOM it's a POS but I love driving a big ole gas hog around .

My Nissan has saved the day for me, good on gas, runs like a Swiss watch, never breaks down.

A terrible ride, no power anything, no power, but less to go wrong while the Ford is demon possessed electrically. .

However my point is some sure knocking overseas goods while desiring them..

I have not knocked any , course I don't know of any chinese cars.

bobbys
01-18-2016, 07:41 PM
This lib has American cars and trucks. Big heavy ones, and a little fast one.


I don't have any problem with China, I have a problem with exploitation no matter who is doing it.

It is odd that some need to justify "Cheap" at any cost. Those people hiring roofers out of the tavern? There's your Walmart shoppers....

And employees....

Tom Montgomery
01-18-2016, 07:41 PM
Walmart does not merely pay low wages... it also limits working hours below 40/wk.

And then they actively direct their employees toward State and Federal government Medicaid and SNAP (food stamps).

This is their business model.

Defend THAT.

bobbys
01-18-2016, 07:42 PM
This lib has owned and will own again Corvettes. Also a fan of Chevy trucks. . ..

So? You are buying Yer wife a Corvette?

Boston
01-18-2016, 07:42 PM
all my vehicles run on vegi but my truck blew the fuel pump, ( 4th one ) and I'm done fixing it. Wouldn't bother me at all to have one of the VW diesel pickups but i'd have to import it. Expensive.

So who has the link for that $7500 rebate on the new electric somethings ;--)

Tom Montgomery
01-18-2016, 07:49 PM
And please stop comparing Walmart to "Mom and Pop" stores.

First of all, "Mom and Pop stores" are nearly extinct in 21st century America thanks to mega-retailers such as Walmart.

And in any event, what moron would compare a "Mom and Pop store" to a 21st century Evil Mega-Corporation?

No names, please.

bobbys
01-18-2016, 07:55 PM
And please stop comparing Walmart to "Mom and Pop" stores.

First of all, "Mom and Pop stores" are nearly extinct in 21st century America thanks to mega-retailers such as Walmart.

And in any event, what moron would compare a "Mom and Pop store" to a 21st century Evil Mega-Corporation?

No names, please..

Not many Mom and POP car companies either.

Tom Montgomery
01-18-2016, 07:59 PM
You've got that right.

Not for the last 115 years or so.

mdh
01-18-2016, 08:01 PM
I'm giving you back your dunce cap. Read it and weep.

http://www.businessinsider.com/costco-pays-retail-employees-20-an-hour-2014-10



That article says raising the minimum wage will "make it harder for stores to maintain current staffing levels". Who pays them when they get laid off.

Tom Montgomery
01-18-2016, 08:04 PM
Not many Mom and POP car companies either.
Henry Ford announced his $5-per-day program on January 5, 1914, raising the minimum daily pay from $2.34 to $5 for qualifying workers.

How much do you imagine that $5.00/day wage in 1914 translates to 21st century America?
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Bob Adams
01-18-2016, 08:08 PM
Where's Phillip? Should I ask him again?:D

Paul Pless
01-18-2016, 08:11 PM
$5-per-day program on January 5, 1914, raising the minimum daily pay from $2.34 to $5 for qualifying workers.but not for the altruistic reasons often ascribed, the fact of the matter was he needed to do so to combat worker turnover mostly as a result of drudgery in a boring assembly line environmentalists

Tom Montgomery
01-18-2016, 08:20 PM
but not for the altruistic reasons often ascribed, the fact of the matter was he needed to do so to combat worker turnover mostly as a result of drudgery in a boring assembly line environmentalistsAnd he also stated that he wanted his employees to also afford to be customers.

Henry Ford felt like he treated his employees right. And so he took it personally when the UAW attempted to organize his hourly employees.

And so Henry employed thugs to break skulls inside and outside his plants to discourage Union organization. Google Harry Bennett and the Ford Service Department.

S.V. Airlie
01-18-2016, 09:22 PM
Where's Phillip? Should I ask him again?:DDon't waste your time! SERIOUSLY!

Canoeyawl
01-18-2016, 09:54 PM
. Those people hiring roofers out of the tavern? There's your Walmart shoppers...


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And employees....

Hiring employees out if the tavern may be a good economy, but that must be problematic.

(I haven't had any trouble with my Ford Expedition, a 7.3L diesel with over 250K on the clock. I predict it will go that again, easy... and the old F-600 already has more than that.)

skuthorp
01-18-2016, 10:29 PM
Henry Ford announced his $5-per-day program on January 5, 1914, raising the minimum daily pay from $2.34 to $5 for qualifying workers.

How much do you imagine that $5.00/day wage in 1914 translates to 21st century America?
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USD$118-67 2273.4% inflaltion.

bobbys
01-19-2016, 03:10 AM
Hiring employees out if the tavern may be a good economy, but that must be problematic.

(I haven't had any trouble with my Ford Expedition, a 7.3L diesel with over 250K on the clock. I predict it will go that again, easy... and the old F-600 already has more than that.)
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I have only been in a Wal mart 8 times in my life.

last time I bought 2 flannel shirts, t shirts and sneakers at a great price, the shirts were 7 bucks.

Amazing I do not need a 70 dollar Pendleton. Shirt or 100 dollar sneakers for what I do..

I have nothing against Ford, My dump trucks were Fords.

I had a 62 Ford 6cly one ton dump for 20 years , broke down once.

It's still running.

I like pre computer rigs with points but that's not practical anymore.

Canoeyawl
01-19-2016, 01:56 PM
I buy Pendleton wool shirts at the Goodwill store. About $5.00

bobbys
01-19-2016, 02:57 PM
I buy Pendleton wool shirts at the Goodwill store. About $5.00
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Never any Xlarge..

Besides my wife would shrink them.

S.V. Airlie
01-19-2016, 03:24 PM
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Never any Xlarge..

Besides my wife would shrink them.Simple solution, do your own laundry!

Nicholas Scheuer
01-19-2016, 05:28 PM
Speaking of the minimum wage, when H Ford doubles kthe minimum wage, and more, he certainly did not double the price of his cars. Just puts the lie to the a holes who maintain they "can't afford" raising the minimum wage".

Phillip Allen
01-19-2016, 06:37 PM
I buy Pendleton wool shirts at the Goodwill store. About $5.00

I don't own such a thing at all... what's the point in showing off on a construction site. since I retired, I haven't used up the stuff I had when I was working