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Paul Pless
12-27-2015, 06:46 AM
http://40.media.tumblr.com/1957d61363cbafeb523aa298293e2085/tumblr_nz213mxmQL1slwun0o1_1280.jpg

Peerie Maa
12-27-2015, 08:10 AM
Curios place for the rubbing bend.

Reynard38
12-27-2015, 10:53 AM
Something doesn't look quite right. I'm sensing photoshop.

moTthediesel
12-27-2015, 11:00 AM
This is what happens when a Friendship sloop has relations with a tugboat.

ron ll
12-27-2015, 11:21 AM
That has to be Jay Benford.

john welsford
12-27-2015, 01:25 PM
Yep, possibly one of Jays earlier designs, could even be a ferro one.
Thats on of my Houdini designs in the background. Plywood, not ferro.

John Welsford




That has to be Jay Benford.

Peerie Maa
12-27-2015, 01:33 PM
Yep, possibly one of Jays earlier designs, could even be a ferro one.
Thats on of my Houdini designs in the background. Plywood, not ferro.

John Welsford
Looking at the play of light on the topsides alongside the cockpit, I think that you could be right.

CWSmith
12-27-2015, 01:42 PM
I like small boat porn. It doesn't take as much effort to dream.

stromborg
12-27-2015, 01:50 PM
I like the looks of that self-tending roller furling jib.

Gerarddm
12-27-2015, 02:33 PM
Ah, no. No matter how cute the clipper bow. That is a really fugly stern.

S.V. Airlie
12-27-2015, 02:35 PM
This is what happens when a Friendship sloop has relations with a tugboat.That's kinda my thought.

Peerie Maa
12-27-2015, 02:48 PM
A rail or rubbing bend to define the top of the transom would help.
http://novascotia.ca/archives/images/MacAskill/200310053.jpg

TR
12-27-2015, 04:20 PM
Another view, this boat was built by Paul Miller up at Winter Harbour (Vancouver Island) and is cold-molded or strip planked.

http://tadroberts.ca/pics/Benford20.JPG

seanz
12-27-2015, 05:27 PM
^Now I like it a lot. :)

S.V. Airlie
12-27-2015, 06:31 PM
Better!

Gerarddm
12-28-2015, 12:30 AM
Fugliness confirmed.

gilberj
12-28-2015, 02:49 AM
I have seen Friendship a number of times and sailed with her. She is a fast little boat, stiff and weatherly. She is cold molded. A bit of a caricature for my taste but the performance and workmanship are first class.

john welsford
12-28-2015, 03:48 AM
Tads post has me corrected, I was going on the information thats in one of my books by Jay Benford, I am pretty sure that design can be built in Ferro and I was looking at that slight unfairness myself.
But cold moulded in wood, that probably means a higher ballast ratio, it all helps.

John Welsford




Looking at the play of light on the topsides alongside the cockpit, I think that you could be right.

skaraborgcraft
12-28-2015, 05:04 AM
My friends ct54 has a similar sheer and transom shape, but has large ports in it (the transom).

http://sailboatdata.com/imagehelper.asp?file_id=607

Some things dont scale well, some can get away with it....

TR
12-28-2015, 01:03 PM
Caricature was/is Jay Benford's stock in trade, (IMO) he usually teetered right on the edge(but not going over) of cartoon, which is very difficult to maintain. And of course much depends on what the builder does. Perry on the other hand only flirted with caricature a bit when he was much younger, nowadays he stays well away from the edge. In the CT54 he was channeling Bill Garden, and it turned out very well.

Friendship does have an odd looking stern, but that huge (for a 20' boat) nicely protected cockpit is certainly desirable.

Hwyl
12-28-2015, 01:19 PM
Friendship does have an odd looking stern, but that huge (for a 20' boat) nicely protected cockpit is certainly desirable.

That's what I thought. A pragmatic solution.

S.V. Airlie
12-28-2015, 01:29 PM
That's what I thought. A pragmatic solution.Well, what was it designed for?:) Gotta think on those lines.

ron ll
12-28-2015, 01:31 PM
Caricature was/is Jay Benford's stock in trade, (IMO) he usually teetered right on the edge(but not going over) of cartoon, which is very difficult to maintain.

I'm not convinced he always knew exactly where that edge was. :)

Old Dryfoot
12-28-2015, 01:59 PM
I like all of Jay's work, Friendship too.

More here at DoryMan (http://dory-man.blogspot.ca/2011/11/chevalet-de-marqueterie.html).
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TvhMNTPgmbI/TsClqABi_zI/AAAAAAAADZA/EG_XhT2HFUQ/s1600/DSCN2071.JPG

Some others for good measure.

http://hookedonwoodenboats.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Sphinx-class-17-catboat.jpeg

http://www.benford.us/images/14-tug-grivit-stern-quarter-large.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-BvcvZo9FGCU/VWvl1_66CnI/AAAAAAAAA4k/kG_NtCxRfjg/s800-Ic42/annie%252520at%252520joe%252520wheeler.jpg

gilberj
12-28-2015, 05:29 PM
Though I have very little time on Bedford designs I have sailed with the from time to time. They perform well. I am a fan...

skaraborgcraft
12-29-2015, 05:37 AM
Not everyones cup of tea for sure, but Jay certainly turned out a lot of work that actually got built. I dont think its possible that any one designer can please everyone, and thats a good thing.

Rigadog
12-29-2015, 07:39 AM
His catalogs are fun to look at... He offers multiple configurations for the same design. I like a couple of his shallow draft boats a lot.

James McMullen
12-29-2015, 08:23 AM
I've hung out with Paul on that boat at anchor at one or another of those Sucia Rendezvous events. It's extremely well built, very thoughtfully laid out, has a ton of custom touches including exotic hardwood marquetry, suits the owner to a T, and is entirely unattractive to me. To each cat his own rat, eh?

Paul Miller is a world renowned marquetry expert, though. Google that up. Some fascinating stuff.

seanz
12-29-2015, 02:45 PM
Indeed.

http://prmdesigns.com/index.html

Keith Wilson
12-29-2015, 02:54 PM
http://prmdesigns.com/wpimages/99e86ce4c1cc.jpghttp://prmdesigns.com/wpimages/a375941d1ac.jpg

John Meachen
12-29-2015, 03:45 PM
This thread has gone some way to explaining the origin of this one,which appeared to have been customised a bit.At least the plans led to a finished boat.http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss226/John_Meachen/2014/SAM_5238_zpszmfghv2s.jpg

Joe (SoCal)
12-29-2015, 03:51 PM
WINNER

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