Looking for a gutter adz

[Hughman]

These probably have different names, depending on who's asking. Where can I find a good one? This photo is from a museum exhibit - hope that doesn't indicate scarcity! :eek:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid77/pc71f6b21782992c9726375adcb282856/fb364d5c.jpg

[Hughman]

These probably have different names, depending on who's asking. Where can I find a good one? This photo is from a museum exhibit - hope that doesn't indicate scarcity! :eek:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid77/pc71f6b21782992c9726375adcb282856/fb364d5c.jpg

[Hughman]

These probably have different names, depending on who's asking. Where can I find a good one? This photo is from a museum exhibit - hope that doesn't indicate scarcity! :eek:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid77/pc71f6b21782992c9726375adcb282856/fb364d5c.jpg

[Barry]

A little Pricey, but....

Item #MI45: The best gutter adze I've ever owned or seen; made by G.W.Underhill&Co./Nashua, NH, this thing has the longest blade, which measures 6 1/2" long; with the original handle, and free of any pitting or damage, this one only needs a quick regrinding and sharpening to make
it destroy wood; laminated steel construction, if you're about to take a chairmaking course, why buy a modern inferior product when you can get a superior 125+ year old American-made example; on right in photo: $255.00
http://www.supertool.com/forsale/t26.jpg
Contact Patrick Leach at leach@supertool.com

[ 09-01-2003, 10:48 PM: Message edited by: Barry ]

[Barry]

A little Pricey, but....

Item #MI45: The best gutter adze I've ever owned or seen; made by G.W.Underhill&Co./Nashua, NH, this thing has the longest blade, which measures 6 1/2" long; with the original handle, and free of any pitting or damage, this one only needs a quick regrinding and sharpening to make
it destroy wood; laminated steel construction, if you're about to take a chairmaking course, why buy a modern inferior product when you can get a superior 125+ year old American-made example; on right in photo: $255.00
http://www.supertool.com/forsale/t26.jpg
Contact Patrick Leach at leach@supertool.com

[ 09-01-2003, 10:48 PM: Message edited by: Barry ]

[Barry]

A little Pricey, but....

Item #MI45: The best gutter adze I've ever owned or seen; made by G.W.Underhill&Co./Nashua, NH, this thing has the longest blade, which measures 6 1/2" long; with the original handle, and free of any pitting or damage, this one only needs a quick regrinding and sharpening to make
it destroy wood; laminated steel construction, if you're about to take a chairmaking course, why buy a modern inferior product when you can get a superior 125+ year old American-made example; on right in photo: $255.00
http://www.supertool.com/forsale/t26.jpg
Contact Patrick Leach at leach@supertool.com

[ 09-01-2003, 10:48 PM: Message edited by: Barry ]

[Bob Smalser]

Ebay has them occasionally but I believe Highland Hardware in Atlanta has new ones they sell to chairmakers.

http://www.tools-for-woodworking.com/

This one will probably go for well under a hundred bucks:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3239629564&category=4123

[ 09-01-2003, 11:48 PM: Message edited by: Bob Smalser ]

[Bob Smalser]

Ebay has them occasionally but I believe Highland Hardware in Atlanta has new ones they sell to chairmakers.

http://www.tools-for-woodworking.com/

This one will probably go for well under a hundred bucks:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3239629564&category=4123

[ 09-01-2003, 11:48 PM: Message edited by: Bob Smalser ]

[Bob Smalser]

Ebay has them occasionally but I believe Highland Hardware in Atlanta has new ones they sell to chairmakers.

http://www.tools-for-woodworking.com/

This one will probably go for well under a hundred bucks:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3239629564&category=4123

[ 09-01-2003, 11:48 PM: Message edited by: Bob Smalser ]

[Barry]

I forgot about these Guys.
Traditional Woodworker (http://www.traditionalwoodworker.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id//products_id/1216)

http://www.traditionalwoodworker.com/catalog/images/599-0700.jpg

$59.50

[Barry]

I forgot about these Guys.
Traditional Woodworker (http://www.traditionalwoodworker.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id//products_id/1216)

http://www.traditionalwoodworker.com/catalog/images/599-0700.jpg

$59.50

[Barry]

I forgot about these Guys.
Traditional Woodworker (http://www.traditionalwoodworker.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id//products_id/1216)

http://www.traditionalwoodworker.com/catalog/images/599-0700.jpg

$59.50

[nedL]

You mean like in the center? :D

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/p4b5a09e16e56302036f24ed1976ddbb1/fb97109a.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/p2e4e213bc3368cb73b212604fe1710be/fb9710c7.jpg

I'll keep my eye's open for another one smile.gif

[ 09-02-2003, 08:10 AM: Message edited by: nedL ]

[nedL]

You mean like in the center? :D

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/p4b5a09e16e56302036f24ed1976ddbb1/fb97109a.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/p2e4e213bc3368cb73b212604fe1710be/fb9710c7.jpg

I'll keep my eye's open for another one smile.gif

[ 09-02-2003, 08:10 AM: Message edited by: nedL ]

[nedL]

You mean like in the center? :D

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/p4b5a09e16e56302036f24ed1976ddbb1/fb97109a.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/p2e4e213bc3368cb73b212604fe1710be/fb9710c7.jpg

I'll keep my eye's open for another one smile.gif

[ 09-02-2003, 08:10 AM: Message edited by: nedL ]

[Bob Smalser]

Learn sumpthin new every day, here....thanks, guys.

But no problem. Buy the cheapest old adze you can find with some blade remaining, remove handle, heat to cherry red and air cool, heat to red again and pound it into whatever shape you like on an anvil horn, reheat red again and quench in water, followed by heating to the beginnings of blue and quench in oil, resharpen.

[ 09-05-2003, 07:27 AM: Message edited by: Bob Smalser ]

[Bob Smalser]

Learn sumpthin new every day, here....thanks, guys.

But no problem. Buy the cheapest old adze you can find with some blade remaining, remove handle, heat to cherry red and air cool, heat to red again and pound it into whatever shape you like on an anvil horn, reheat red again and quench in water, followed by heating to the beginnings of blue and quench in oil, resharpen.

[ 09-05-2003, 07:27 AM: Message edited by: Bob Smalser ]

[Bob Smalser]

Learn sumpthin new every day, here....thanks, guys.

But no problem. Buy the cheapest old adze you can find with some blade remaining, remove handle, heat to cherry red and air cool, heat to red again and pound it into whatever shape you like on an anvil horn, reheat red again and quench in water, followed by heating to the beginnings of blue and quench in oil, resharpen.

[ 09-05-2003, 07:27 AM: Message edited by: Bob Smalser ]

[Hughman]

Originally posted by Dave Fleming:

Seems like the original poster might clarify what he wishes to use the canoe/gutter adze for. If you please?Dave,
I'm interesting in re-creating a "Brogan" hull. These are traditional 19c. Chesapeake workboats, larger (mostly wider) than a log canoe. the selected logs were drifted together and hollowed out, then half framed and planked to the sheer. Bermuda ketch rig.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid37/p2387f47562c5a22d060094158f307286/fd1d7ee0.jpg

Here is a photo taken before WWI of my grandfather's boat.

[ 09-02-2003, 11:38 AM: Message edited by: Hughman ]

[Hughman]

Originally posted by Dave Fleming:

Seems like the original poster might clarify what he wishes to use the canoe/gutter adze for. If you please?Dave,
I'm interesting in re-creating a "Brogan" hull. These are traditional 19c. Chesapeake workboats, larger (mostly wider) than a log canoe. the selected logs were drifted together and hollowed out, then half framed and planked to the sheer. Bermuda ketch rig.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid37/p2387f47562c5a22d060094158f307286/fd1d7ee0.jpg

Here is a photo taken before WWI of my grandfather's boat.

[ 09-02-2003, 11:38 AM: Message edited by: Hughman ]

[Hughman]

Originally posted by Dave Fleming:

Seems like the original poster might clarify what he wishes to use the canoe/gutter adze for. If you please?Dave,
I'm interesting in re-creating a "Brogan" hull. These are traditional 19c. Chesapeake workboats, larger (mostly wider) than a log canoe. the selected logs were drifted together and hollowed out, then half framed and planked to the sheer. Bermuda ketch rig.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid37/p2387f47562c5a22d060094158f307286/fd1d7ee0.jpg

Here is a photo taken before WWI of my grandfather's boat.

[ 09-02-2003, 11:38 AM: Message edited by: Hughman ]

[nedL]

Forgive it Dave, for it was thinking it is something it isn't. :D (Those carpenter tools are always trying to sneak in with the boatbuilding tools. They must think they are something special too. ;) )

[nedL]

Forgive it Dave, for it was thinking it is something it isn't. :D (Those carpenter tools are always trying to sneak in with the boatbuilding tools. They must think they are something special too. ;) )

[nedL]

Forgive it Dave, for it was thinking it is something it isn't. :D (Those carpenter tools are always trying to sneak in with the boatbuilding tools. They must think they are something special too. ;) )

[Art Read]

Don't you just love the looks you get when somebody working a crossword puzzle asks you, "What's a three letter word for 'Shipwright's tool', ending in 'z'?", and you actually KNOW the answer? :D

[Art Read]

Don't you just love the looks you get when somebody working a crossword puzzle asks you, "What's a three letter word for 'Shipwright's tool', ending in 'z'?", and you actually KNOW the answer? :D

[Art Read]

Don't you just love the looks you get when somebody working a crossword puzzle asks you, "What's a three letter word for 'Shipwright's tool', ending in 'z'?", and you actually KNOW the answer? :D

[Art Read]

But, Dave... "Adze" wouldn't work in those pesky three letter boxes left over that the puzzle writers are always trying to fill in!

[Art Read]

But, Dave... "Adze" wouldn't work in those pesky three letter boxes left over that the puzzle writers are always trying to fill in!

[Art Read]

But, Dave... "Adze" wouldn't work in those pesky three letter boxes left over that the puzzle writers are always trying to fill in!

[Mrleft8]

"Adz" are wut magz use to pay for production costs. ;)
WWW.Highlandhardware.com (http://WWW.Highlandhardware.com)

[Mrleft8]

"Adz" are wut magz use to pay for production costs. ;)
WWW.Highlandhardware.com (http://WWW.Highlandhardware.com)

[Mrleft8]

"Adz" are wut magz use to pay for production costs. ;)
WWW.Highlandhardware.com (http://WWW.Highlandhardware.com)

[Art Read]

Actually, according to the only dictionary I have at hand, the defined spelling IS "adz" with "adze" given as an alternative usage. (Waaay too much time on my hands... ;) )

[Art Read]

Actually, according to the only dictionary I have at hand, the defined spelling IS "adz" with "adze" given as an alternative usage. (Waaay too much time on my hands... ;) )

[Art Read]

Actually, according to the only dictionary I have at hand, the defined spelling IS "adz" with "adze" given as an alternative usage. (Waaay too much time on my hands... ;) )

[Hughman]

.....some pilgrim .....

Harumph!!

[Hughman]

.....some pilgrim .....

Harumph!!

[Hughman]

.....some pilgrim .....

Harumph!!

[Bob Smalser]

Before: Flea Market Carpenter's Adze....8 bucks.

http://pic3.picturetrail.com/VOL12/1104763/2594266/33205224.jpg

After: Gutter Adze....maybe a buck fifty worth of shop materials...oxyacetylene, buffer-grinder, files, slip stone.

http://pic3.picturetrail.com/VOL12/1104763/2594266/33205221.jpg

This one happens to be for chair seats, but they can be shaped into whatever you like. You can also do the ones with inlaid, hammer-welded edges, if you are careful. Note the deep blue edge.

[ 09-04-2003, 11:46 PM: Message edited by: Bob Smalser ]

[Bob Smalser]

Before: Flea Market Carpenter's Adze....8 bucks.

http://pic3.picturetrail.com/VOL12/1104763/2594266/33205224.jpg

After: Gutter Adze....maybe a buck fifty worth of shop materials...oxyacetylene, buffer-grinder, files, slip stone.

http://pic3.picturetrail.com/VOL12/1104763/2594266/33205221.jpg

This one happens to be for chair seats, but they can be shaped into whatever you like. You can also do the ones with inlaid, hammer-welded edges, if you are careful. Note the deep blue edge.

[ 09-04-2003, 11:46 PM: Message edited by: Bob Smalser ]

[Bob Smalser]

Before: Flea Market Carpenter's Adze....8 bucks.

http://pic3.picturetrail.com/VOL12/1104763/2594266/33205224.jpg

After: Gutter Adze....maybe a buck fifty worth of shop materials...oxyacetylene, buffer-grinder, files, slip stone.

http://pic3.picturetrail.com/VOL12/1104763/2594266/33205221.jpg

This one happens to be for chair seats, but they can be shaped into whatever you like. You can also do the ones with inlaid, hammer-welded edges, if you are careful. Note the deep blue edge.

[ 09-04-2003, 11:46 PM: Message edited by: Bob Smalser ]

[Bob Smalser]

Still have some honing to do...the pic was straight from the quench....reground it to 25 degrees from the 50 or so degrees it was for cleaner cutting.

For hogging out wood seats to be finished with compass plane and scrapers, it'll work fine.

[Bob Smalser]

Still have some honing to do...the pic was straight from the quench....reground it to 25 degrees from the 50 or so degrees it was for cleaner cutting.

For hogging out wood seats to be finished with compass plane and scrapers, it'll work fine.

[Bob Smalser]

Still have some honing to do...the pic was straight from the quench....reground it to 25 degrees from the 50 or so degrees it was for cleaner cutting.

For hogging out wood seats to be finished with compass plane and scrapers, it'll work fine.

[Hughman]

:cool:

[Hughman]

:cool:

[Hughman]

:cool:

[Hughman]

OK, Bob. I'm gonna take your suggestion.

I found this for $20., and a friend has a forge. I'll post when I've finished mangling.....

This Old Adz!

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/p861b5416920487c35aae954ef1b468fa/faf18487.jpg

[Hughman]

OK, Bob. I'm gonna take your suggestion.

I found this for $20., and a friend has a forge. I'll post when I've finished mangling.....

This Old Adz!

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/p861b5416920487c35aae954ef1b468fa/faf18487.jpg

[Hughman]

OK, Bob. I'm gonna take your suggestion.

I found this for $20., and a friend has a forge. I'll post when I've finished mangling.....

This Old Adz!

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/p861b5416920487c35aae954ef1b468fa/faf18487.jpg

[Hughman]

smile.gif
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid83/pe8d4b33955e60148382697453cf641c8/fad7ecde.jpg
First we warm it up a bit, and persuade it into shape...

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid83/p6eeeab0fb23c9a56a73ed8da2e02dae9/fad7ecd1.jpg

Success! took it for a test drive in a wee bit of black locust. cruises nicely! smile.gif

[Hughman]

smile.gif
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid83/pe8d4b33955e60148382697453cf641c8/fad7ecde.jpg
First we warm it up a bit, and persuade it into shape...

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid83/p6eeeab0fb23c9a56a73ed8da2e02dae9/fad7ecd1.jpg

Success! took it for a test drive in a wee bit of black locust. cruises nicely! smile.gif

[Hughman]

smile.gif
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid83/pe8d4b33955e60148382697453cf641c8/fad7ecde.jpg
First we warm it up a bit, and persuade it into shape...

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid83/p6eeeab0fb23c9a56a73ed8da2e02dae9/fad7ecd1.jpg

Success! took it for a test drive in a wee bit of black locust. cruises nicely! smile.gif

[nedL]

Great job! A little bit of yankee ingenuity there. smile.gif

[nedL]

Great job! A little bit of yankee ingenuity there. smile.gif

[nedL]

Great job! A little bit of yankee ingenuity there. smile.gif

[Bob Smalser]

Looking good.

Resourceful.

[Bob Smalser]

Looking good.

Resourceful.

[Bob Smalser]

Looking good.

Resourceful.

[Hughman]

Well, Bob, I probably still be looking for a tailor made one if I hadn't read your post!

Dave, Who Ben Thresher, Weygers?

[Hughman]

Well, Bob, I probably still be looking for a tailor made one if I hadn't read your post!

Dave, Who Ben Thresher, Weygers?

[Hughman]

Well, Bob, I probably still be looking for a tailor made one if I hadn't read your post!

Dave, Who Ben Thresher, Weygers?

[Shang]

Here's the Gransfors Bruks Gutter Adze from Highland, $149.99.
But the idea of reshaping a carpenter's adz looks like more fun.

http://www.tools-for-woodworking.com/images/products/chairmaker/125832.jpg

Highland puts out a really nice wish-book...I mentally spend a gazillion dollars each time I thumb through it.

Oh, and I have an information-seeking question: Can someone tell me, what is the pupose of the spur on the heel of a shipwright's adz?
I use a carpenter's adz in shaping rustic beams, but it has no spur, and other than whacking a bystander in the leg on a backswing I don't see what it's good for.

[ 10-13-2003, 02:51 PM: Message edited by: Shang ]

[Shang]

Here's the Gransfors Bruks Gutter Adze from Highland, $149.99.
But the idea of reshaping a carpenter's adz looks like more fun.

http://www.tools-for-woodworking.com/images/products/chairmaker/125832.jpg

Highland puts out a really nice wish-book...I mentally spend a gazillion dollars each time I thumb through it.

Oh, and I have an information-seeking question: Can someone tell me, what is the pupose of the spur on the heel of a shipwright's adz?
I use a carpenter's adz in shaping rustic beams, but it has no spur, and other than whacking a bystander in the leg on a backswing I don't see what it's good for.

[ 10-13-2003, 02:51 PM: Message edited by: Shang ]

[Shang]

Here's the Gransfors Bruks Gutter Adze from Highland, $149.99.
But the idea of reshaping a carpenter's adz looks like more fun.

http://www.tools-for-woodworking.com/images/products/chairmaker/125832.jpg

Highland puts out a really nice wish-book...I mentally spend a gazillion dollars each time I thumb through it.

Oh, and I have an information-seeking question: Can someone tell me, what is the pupose of the spur on the heel of a shipwright's adz?
I use a carpenter's adz in shaping rustic beams, but it has no spur, and other than whacking a bystander in the leg on a backswing I don't see what it's good for.

[ 10-13-2003, 02:51 PM: Message edited by: Shang ]

[Hughman]

If you're shaping a ship timber and encounter a spike, perhaps from scaffolding or temporary trusses, you drive the bugger in deeper and keep on shaving!

smile.gif

[Hughman]

If you're shaping a ship timber and encounter a spike, perhaps from scaffolding or temporary trusses, you drive the bugger in deeper and keep on shaving!

smile.gif

[Hughman]

If you're shaping a ship timber and encounter a spike, perhaps from scaffolding or temporary trusses, you drive the bugger in deeper and keep on shaving!

smile.gif

[Alan D. Hyde]

Alex Weygers and Alex M. Bealer both wrote good books on amateur blacksmithing...

Here are some good links:

http://www.alexweygers.com/

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0785803955/qid=1066079608/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-8271988-4525465?v=glance&s=books#product-details

***

Both are worth reading up on: lots of learning and resourcefulness to be found between 'em.

Alan

[Alan D. Hyde]

Alex Weygers and Alex M. Bealer both wrote good books on amateur blacksmithing...

Here are some good links:

http://www.alexweygers.com/

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0785803955/qid=1066079608/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-8271988-4525465?v=glance&s=books#product-details

***

Both are worth reading up on: lots of learning and resourcefulness to be found between 'em.

Alan

[Alan D. Hyde]

Alex Weygers and Alex M. Bealer both wrote good books on amateur blacksmithing...

Here are some good links:

http://www.alexweygers.com/

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0785803955/qid=1066079608/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-8271988-4525465?v=glance&s=books#product-details

***

Both are worth reading up on: lots of learning and resourcefulness to be found between 'em.

Alan

[Shang]

Are you familiar with Centaur Forge? Good source of smiths' equipment. I bought their Vulcan firepot when it was on sale, but don't expect to have it working until Spring. Their catalog supposedly sells for $7, but they've sent the last couple for nuthin'.
Their web site is www.centaurforge.com (http://www.centaurforge.com)

[Shang]

Are you familiar with Centaur Forge? Good source of smiths' equipment. I bought their Vulcan firepot when it was on sale, but don't expect to have it working until Spring. Their catalog supposedly sells for $7, but they've sent the last couple for nuthin'.
Their web site is www.centaurforge.com (http://www.centaurforge.com)

[Shang]

Are you familiar with Centaur Forge? Good source of smiths' equipment. I bought their Vulcan firepot when it was on sale, but don't expect to have it working until Spring. Their catalog supposedly sells for $7, but they've sent the last couple for nuthin'.
Their web site is www.centaurforge.com (http://www.centaurforge.com)

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

Gutter Adz:

Sensual older blonde with exotic woods available for outcalls only.Leather, lace, punishment and wooden boat restoration. Also bondage and Hereshoff recitations. Keelhauling a specialty. Call 456 9979

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

Gutter Adz:

Sensual older blonde with exotic woods available for outcalls only.Leather, lace, punishment and wooden boat restoration. Also bondage and Hereshoff recitations. Keelhauling a specialty. Call 456 9979

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

Gutter Adz:

Sensual older blonde with exotic woods available for outcalls only.Leather, lace, punishment and wooden boat restoration. Also bondage and Hereshoff recitations. Keelhauling a specialty. Call 456 9979

[Hughman]

:D

[Hughman]

:D

[Hughman]

:D

[Shang]

http://store3.yimg.com/I/centaurforge_1762_866187

http://store3.yimg.com/I/centaurforge_1757_6104398
(...someone should tell them that their catalog photo is upside down...)

Centaur Vulcan 12x14 with dumping ashgate
"...most popular firepot for general blacksmithing. The firepot was originally designed for use in masonary forges, but is also used in steel forges..."

The tuyere and slag-breaker and ashgate are all part of the assembly.

[Shang]

http://store3.yimg.com/I/centaurforge_1762_866187

http://store3.yimg.com/I/centaurforge_1757_6104398
(...someone should tell them that their catalog photo is upside down...)

Centaur Vulcan 12x14 with dumping ashgate
"...most popular firepot for general blacksmithing. The firepot was originally designed for use in masonary forges, but is also used in steel forges..."

The tuyere and slag-breaker and ashgate are all part of the assembly.

[Shang]

http://store3.yimg.com/I/centaurforge_1762_866187

http://store3.yimg.com/I/centaurforge_1757_6104398
(...someone should tell them that their catalog photo is upside down...)

Centaur Vulcan 12x14 with dumping ashgate
"...most popular firepot for general blacksmithing. The firepot was originally designed for use in masonary forges, but is also used in steel forges..."

The tuyere and slag-breaker and ashgate are all part of the assembly.