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David G
12-13-2015, 10:15 PM
A book by Andrew Nagorski --

http://www.amazon.com/Hitlerland-American-Eyewitnesses-Nazi-Power/dp/1439191018/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1450062637&sr=1-1&keywords=hitlerland+by+andrew+nagorski


And - quite topically - an interview with the author in The Atlantic --

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/03/early-warnings-how-american-journalists-reported-the-rise-of-hitler/254146/




What did Americans think of Hitler when they first met him in the 1920s and 1930s? You write that some of them burst out laughing at his shrill voice and jerky hand movements and refused to take him seriously.



That's true. In fact, some of the first people who met him did take him quite seriously. Truman Smith, who was a junior military attaché in the 1920s, came away from meeting Hitler and said, "This is a marvelous demagogue who can really inspire loyalty." It was the same with Karl von Wiegand, a Hearst correspondent who was the first American journalist to interview Hitler back in 1922. He was struck by Hitler's oratorical skills and his ability to whip people into a frenzy.


Then you had this period after the Beer Hall Putsch where Hitler came out of prison and a lot of people had forgotten about him. After the Great Depression hit, suddenly the Nazi Party became a major contender for power. Yet you had Americans meeting Hitler and saying, "This guy is a clown. He's like a caricature of himself." And a lot of them went through this whole litany about how even if Hitler got into a position of power, other German politicians would somehow be able to control him. A lot of German politicians believed this themselves.


Of course, everyone began to reassess that very quickly after he took power. But some of the Americans were much more prescient -- for instance, Edgar Mowrer, the Chicago Daily News correspondent, kept frantically trying to warn readers and the world, "What he's saying about the Jews is serious. Don't underestimate him."

WX
12-13-2015, 10:18 PM
Henry Ford thought he was the ducks nuts.

CWSmith
12-13-2015, 10:22 PM
Henry Ford thought he was the ducks nuts.

Lindbergh, too. I think there is a basic rule of human nature that we can see playing out in the GOP right now. If you build a movement based on purity (of thought, of lineage, whatever), it's just a matter of time before you are not pure enough for the army of purifiers you have created. Smart people should have seen that coming before they began their admiration for Hitler.

Harvey Golden
12-13-2015, 10:26 PM
Guess where?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/10/01/2E471C6500000578-3311303-image-a-18_1447118736470.jpg
Yaphank, New York!

This article (or similar) was in the NYT recently, and blew me away! While some Americans liked Hitler (Lindbergh, for shame!), it should of course be remembered, most did not.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3311303/New-York-s-Nazi-town-years-streets-named-Hitler-Goebbels-hedges-trimmed-swastikas-Aryan-live-there.html

BrianW
12-13-2015, 10:42 PM
Godwin in three!

Darn good showing chaps.

David G
12-13-2015, 10:45 PM
Godwin in three!

Darn good showing chaps.

Hey... I want more credit than THAT. Godwin in ONE, i say...

BrianW
12-13-2015, 10:50 PM
Hey... I want more credit than THAT. Godwin in ONE, i say...

:D

I'd like to give it to you, but your article is about how people who met Hitler, felt about him.

Post #3 is the first to invoke a direct relationship between Hitler and another group.

;)

seanz
12-13-2015, 10:53 PM
Guess where?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/10/01/2E471C6500000578-3311303-image-a-18_1447118736470.jpg
Yaphank, New York!

This article (or similar) was in the NYT recently, and blew me away! While some Americans liked Hitler (Lindbergh, for shame!), it should of course be remembered, most did not.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3311303/New-York-s-Nazi-town-years-streets-named-Hitler-Goebbels-hedges-trimmed-swastikas-Aryan-live-there.html

The worst ones were the Illinois Nazis, people hated them.

Dave Hadfield
12-13-2015, 11:02 PM
If Britain and France had opposed Hitler at the Rhineland in 1936, when he marched in in defiance of Versailles, they would have given him a bloody nose at nearly no cost. Hitler would not have appeared prescient and invincible to the German people. Other politicians would have had a far better chance to oppose him.

Instead, when Britain and France acquiesced, and bowed to short-term political expediency, they set in motion a train of events which became cataclysmic.

The lesson is that some groups, clearly evil, should be identified publicly for what they are, and stopped by force, before a horrible maturity has to be faced.

But it is the glory and the tragedy of democracies that they are always loath to pick up arms and do this.

skuthorp
12-13-2015, 11:24 PM
"Instead, when Britain and France acquiesced, and bowed to short-term political expediency, they set in motion a train of events which became cataclysmic."
Do not underestimate the effects of WW1 on both countries, whose populations were barely out of mourning. France's insistence of humiliation and the beggaring of Germany had a lot to do with Adolf's rise.

seanz
12-13-2015, 11:41 PM
My understanding was that France was in a bit of political turmoil at the time. Hitler was good at spotting a chance.

bobbys
12-14-2015, 12:29 AM
Even Hitler could not come up with the idea of giving nukes to Muslims that swear to destroy Israel ..

seanz
12-14-2015, 12:37 AM
Even Hitler could not come up with the idea of giving nukes to Muslims that swear to destroy Israel ..

When you're right, you're right.

oznabrag
12-14-2015, 12:47 AM
Lindbergh, too. I think there is a basic rule of human nature that we can see playing out in the GOP right now. If you build a movement based on purity (of thought, of lineage, whatever), it's just a matter of time before you are not pure enough for the army of purifiers you have created. Smart people should have seen that coming before they began their admiration for Hitler.

That's what happened to Shah Pahlavi.


When you're right, you're right.

Let me know when he is.

seanz
12-14-2015, 01:07 AM
Let me know when he is.

I thought it was close enough. Little bit of positive feed-back now and then can do people the World of good.

Chip-skiff
12-14-2015, 01:23 AM
Even Hitler could not come up with the idea of giving nukes to Muslims that swear to destroy Israel ..

Hitler didn't have nukes and Israel didn't exist at the time.

But don't let that stop you.

oznabrag
12-14-2015, 01:40 AM
I thought it was close enough. Little bit of positive feed-back now and then can do people the World of good.

You are a kind and generous individual.

Jimmy W
12-14-2015, 01:54 AM
Hitler didn't have nukes and Israel didn't exist at the time.

But don't let that stop you.

Don't go confusing him with facts.

ShagRock
12-14-2015, 01:58 AM
Henry Ford thought he was the ducks nuts.

I notice a number of fellas in the Bilge 'unit' think the same.

bobbys
12-14-2015, 02:21 AM
Hitler didn't have nukes and Israel didn't exist at the time.

But don't let that stop you.
.

I would have thought some could connect the dots to the present day , However Im mistaken.

Jimmy W
12-14-2015, 02:27 AM
.

...However Im mistaken.

Yup!

seanz
12-14-2015, 02:40 AM
.

I would have thought some could connect the dots to the present day , However Im mistaken.

and dotty.

Duncan Gibbs
12-14-2015, 02:58 AM
and dotty.
If we're talking about Germany, that would be Dotti...

Who's a friend of Dotti?

PeterSibley
12-14-2015, 02:58 AM
When you're right, you're right.

He's most certainly right this time :)

Lew Barrett
12-14-2015, 03:12 AM
.

However Im mistaken.

And not for the first time, as you're wrong on one very important issue in respect to your initial hypothesis. Hitler almost certainly would have approved of nuking Israel had he lived long enough to see it birthed.

ShagRock
12-14-2015, 03:26 AM
And not for the first time, as you're wrong on one very important issue in respect to your initial hypothesis. Hitler almost certainly would have approved of nuking Israel had he lived long enough to see it birthed.

'Almost certainly' is not a fact.

skuthorp
12-14-2015, 05:36 AM
Boy, have some people backed them selves into an interesting corner.

seanz
12-14-2015, 05:44 AM
Maybe they're cozy in their corner?

ShagRock
12-14-2015, 05:47 AM
Boy, have some people backed them selves into an interesting corner.

Indeed, corners are interesting places to work out off.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jEbCkNMpi4

Phillip Allen
12-14-2015, 05:54 AM
Lindbergh, too. I think there is a basic rule of human nature that we can see playing out in the GOP right now. If you build a movement based on purity (of thought, of lineage, whatever), it's just a matter of time before you are not pure enough for the army of purifiers you have created. Smart people should have seen that coming before they began their admiration for Hitler.

ya know... that applies to you as well

Phillip Allen
12-14-2015, 05:56 AM
The worst ones were the Illinois Nazis, people hated them.

just look how they've turned out so far... Chicago and surrounding area... very corrupt

ShagRock
12-14-2015, 06:07 AM
just look how they've turned out so far... Chicago and surrounding area... very corrupt

Tell us how you can get your power back from the NRA?

LeeG
12-14-2015, 08:07 AM
Even Hitler could not come up with the idea of giving nukes to Muslims that swear to destroy Israel ..

But Hitler could use propaganda as you are doing repeating a falsehood.

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
12-14-2015, 08:11 AM
Goebbeldygook?

CWSmith
12-14-2015, 09:15 AM
ya know... that applies to you as well

That applies to everyone, Phillip.

Meanwhile, you will understand if I ignore you from now on.

bobbys
12-14-2015, 09:43 AM
O sure, I get to invoke Godwin's law and people get sore.

Lew Barrett
12-14-2015, 11:22 AM
'Almost certainly' is not a fact.

You're funny!

oznabrag
12-14-2015, 11:27 AM
Goebbeldygook?

Excellent!

Well played!

ahp
12-14-2015, 12:09 PM
Another good read is "Escape from Freedom" by Eric Fromm. It is mainly about the rise of the Nazi power by more generally it challenges the idea that all people love freedom. They don't. Many are very afraid of freedom. Freedom means that you must make your own choices. You could be WRONG. It is much more comfortable to just follow orders.

BETTY-B
12-14-2015, 04:12 PM
Hair Hitler!

http://images.dailykos.com/images/184434/story_image/bo151208.png?1449595921

S.V. Airlie
12-14-2015, 04:17 PM
Even Hitler could not come up with the idea of giving nukes to Muslims that swear to destroy Israel ..Hey boobys. When was the atomic bomb? Stupid is one thing, ignorant of history is something else and worse than the other option.

McMike
12-14-2015, 04:51 PM
Godwin in three!

Darn good showing chaps.

When it quacks, it's a duck.