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Ed Harrow
11-26-2000, 01:45 PM
I have a number 3 that I picked up at a fleamarket years ago. In the great cleanup effort that is focused upon the tools I've brought back from Mum's I thought I'd give my little #3 (my favorite) the attention it deserves. Imagine my horror when I took off the front knob and found the original "studdy" thing that held the knob on had been replaced with a piece of 1/4-20.

I don't know what the threads are, nor the stock for that matter. The tote's stud is 20 tpi, but the profile is not the same as 1/4-20, and the dia is only ~.209, while 1/4-20 is about .244.

Suggestions anyone? The only thing I can figure is to drill and tap oversize.

Happy Thanksgiving, all.

Ed Harrow
11-26-2000, 01:45 PM
I have a number 3 that I picked up at a fleamarket years ago. In the great cleanup effort that is focused upon the tools I've brought back from Mum's I thought I'd give my little #3 (my favorite) the attention it deserves. Imagine my horror when I took off the front knob and found the original "studdy" thing that held the knob on had been replaced with a piece of 1/4-20.

I don't know what the threads are, nor the stock for that matter. The tote's stud is 20 tpi, but the profile is not the same as 1/4-20, and the dia is only ~.209, while 1/4-20 is about .244.

Suggestions anyone? The only thing I can figure is to drill and tap oversize.

Happy Thanksgiving, all.

Ed Harrow
11-26-2000, 01:45 PM
I have a number 3 that I picked up at a fleamarket years ago. In the great cleanup effort that is focused upon the tools I've brought back from Mum's I thought I'd give my little #3 (my favorite) the attention it deserves. Imagine my horror when I took off the front knob and found the original "studdy" thing that held the knob on had been replaced with a piece of 1/4-20.

I don't know what the threads are, nor the stock for that matter. The tote's stud is 20 tpi, but the profile is not the same as 1/4-20, and the dia is only ~.209, while 1/4-20 is about .244.

Suggestions anyone? The only thing I can figure is to drill and tap oversize.

Happy Thanksgiving, all.

Ed Harrow
11-26-2000, 09:01 PM
Well, I got out my trusted copy of Machinery's Handbook (don't leave home without it) and it appears likely that these are Whitworth threads...

This poor plane was pretty much done in by the dealer (derusted with a belt sander) but it looks like a transition between the basic Bailey design and the Bedrock style, as there is a single screw on the back of the frog to move the frog back and forth on the sole. That's why I purchased it (the price was really right, too).

I'm checking in with the machine shop tomorrow to get their opinion.

Ed Harrow
11-26-2000, 09:01 PM
Well, I got out my trusted copy of Machinery's Handbook (don't leave home without it) and it appears likely that these are Whitworth threads...

This poor plane was pretty much done in by the dealer (derusted with a belt sander) but it looks like a transition between the basic Bailey design and the Bedrock style, as there is a single screw on the back of the frog to move the frog back and forth on the sole. That's why I purchased it (the price was really right, too).

I'm checking in with the machine shop tomorrow to get their opinion.

Ed Harrow
11-26-2000, 09:01 PM
Well, I got out my trusted copy of Machinery's Handbook (don't leave home without it) and it appears likely that these are Whitworth threads...

This poor plane was pretty much done in by the dealer (derusted with a belt sander) but it looks like a transition between the basic Bailey design and the Bedrock style, as there is a single screw on the back of the frog to move the frog back and forth on the sole. That's why I purchased it (the price was really right, too).

I'm checking in with the machine shop tomorrow to get their opinion.

Wayne Jeffers
11-26-2000, 10:03 PM
Ed,

If you're wanting to keep it/restore it to original specs, you should try a used tool dealer for the part(s) you need.

Here's a link to a list of sources for tools, which someone posted in this forum a while back: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~alf/en/tools.html

I think many used tool dealers carry various Stanley spare parts. If you can't find a dealer near by, I can vouch for John Walter at The Old Tool Shop in Marietta, OH. He is extremely knowledgable of Stanley planes and they are principally a mail order business.

Wayne

Wayne Jeffers
11-26-2000, 10:03 PM
Ed,

If you're wanting to keep it/restore it to original specs, you should try a used tool dealer for the part(s) you need.

Here's a link to a list of sources for tools, which someone posted in this forum a while back: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~alf/en/tools.html

I think many used tool dealers carry various Stanley spare parts. If you can't find a dealer near by, I can vouch for John Walter at The Old Tool Shop in Marietta, OH. He is extremely knowledgable of Stanley planes and they are principally a mail order business.

Wayne

Wayne Jeffers
11-26-2000, 10:03 PM
Ed,

If you're wanting to keep it/restore it to original specs, you should try a used tool dealer for the part(s) you need.

Here's a link to a list of sources for tools, which someone posted in this forum a while back: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~alf/en/tools.html

I think many used tool dealers carry various Stanley spare parts. If you can't find a dealer near by, I can vouch for John Walter at The Old Tool Shop in Marietta, OH. He is extremely knowledgable of Stanley planes and they are principally a mail order business.

Wayne

Ed Harrow
11-27-2000, 08:18 PM
Here's the scoop, thanks to Wayne. (Thank you, Wayne.) Stanley "did all their own threads so you'd have to buy any threaded parts from them". So the answer to my quandry, as well as Rick's, I'd guess, was Stanley's profit motive.

Anyway, John has the part, all I need do is send him $2.00. Wayne, he ain't the most amiable sounding person with whom I've had the pleasure of doing business, but he certainly seems to know his stuff. Thank you again, and you can all rest easy that I'm not going to bang those threads out and re-tap them 1/4 - 20.

Ed Harrow
11-27-2000, 08:18 PM
Here's the scoop, thanks to Wayne. (Thank you, Wayne.) Stanley "did all their own threads so you'd have to buy any threaded parts from them". So the answer to my quandry, as well as Rick's, I'd guess, was Stanley's profit motive.

Anyway, John has the part, all I need do is send him $2.00. Wayne, he ain't the most amiable sounding person with whom I've had the pleasure of doing business, but he certainly seems to know his stuff. Thank you again, and you can all rest easy that I'm not going to bang those threads out and re-tap them 1/4 - 20.

Ed Harrow
11-27-2000, 08:18 PM
Here's the scoop, thanks to Wayne. (Thank you, Wayne.) Stanley "did all their own threads so you'd have to buy any threaded parts from them". So the answer to my quandry, as well as Rick's, I'd guess, was Stanley's profit motive.

Anyway, John has the part, all I need do is send him $2.00. Wayne, he ain't the most amiable sounding person with whom I've had the pleasure of doing business, but he certainly seems to know his stuff. Thank you again, and you can all rest easy that I'm not going to bang those threads out and re-tap them 1/4 - 20.

Wayne Jeffers
11-27-2000, 09:19 PM
Ed,

I'm glad it worked out for you.

Maybe you caught John on a bad day. He's not the most outgoing person, but I've always found him pleasant enough. If you have a question about any veteran (old) hand woodworking tool he can usually help. His shop is like an old fashioned hardware store with various tools and parts scattered all about. A wonderful place to spend an hour or two browsing. I've always felt like I got a fair deal with the purchases I've made there.

Wayne

Wayne Jeffers
11-27-2000, 09:19 PM
Ed,

I'm glad it worked out for you.

Maybe you caught John on a bad day. He's not the most outgoing person, but I've always found him pleasant enough. If you have a question about any veteran (old) hand woodworking tool he can usually help. His shop is like an old fashioned hardware store with various tools and parts scattered all about. A wonderful place to spend an hour or two browsing. I've always felt like I got a fair deal with the purchases I've made there.

Wayne

Wayne Jeffers
11-27-2000, 09:19 PM
Ed,

I'm glad it worked out for you.

Maybe you caught John on a bad day. He's not the most outgoing person, but I've always found him pleasant enough. If you have a question about any veteran (old) hand woodworking tool he can usually help. His shop is like an old fashioned hardware store with various tools and parts scattered all about. A wonderful place to spend an hour or two browsing. I've always felt like I got a fair deal with the purchases I've made there.

Wayne

Ed Harrow
02-19-2001, 06:53 PM
Finally, after lo these many months, an envelope arrived from Marietta, Ohio. Too bad it had a hole in it... http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/frown.gif Ed

Ed Harrow
02-19-2001, 06:53 PM
Finally, after lo these many months, an envelope arrived from Marietta, Ohio. Too bad it had a hole in it... http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/frown.gif Ed

Ed Harrow
02-19-2001, 06:53 PM
Finally, after lo these many months, an envelope arrived from Marietta, Ohio. Too bad it had a hole in it... http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/frown.gif Ed

Ed Harrow
02-19-2001, 11:36 PM
Well I don't yet know if we're a community or an affinity group, but this place never fails to amaze me. Thank you, Wayne. Ed http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/smile.gif

Ed Harrow
02-19-2001, 11:36 PM
Well I don't yet know if we're a community or an affinity group, but this place never fails to amaze me. Thank you, Wayne. Ed http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/smile.gif

Ed Harrow
02-19-2001, 11:36 PM
Well I don't yet know if we're a community or an affinity group, but this place never fails to amaze me. Thank you, Wayne. Ed http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/smile.gif

Andrew
02-21-2001, 10:18 AM
Ed, in your endevors, you might get some useful information on tool restoration for this site which I learned about from an earlier post on this forum.

http://members.nbci.com/nlindsey/restoration/Restoration.htm

Check the rust removal section. GL

Andrew
02-21-2001, 10:18 AM
Ed, in your endevors, you might get some useful information on tool restoration for this site which I learned about from an earlier post on this forum.

http://members.nbci.com/nlindsey/restoration/Restoration.htm

Check the rust removal section. GL

Andrew
02-21-2001, 10:18 AM
Ed, in your endevors, you might get some useful information on tool restoration for this site which I learned about from an earlier post on this forum.

http://members.nbci.com/nlindsey/restoration/Restoration.htm

Check the rust removal section. GL

TomRobb
02-21-2001, 02:35 PM
Not everybody considers old tools holy relics like pieces of the True Cross or the shin bone of St. Stanley http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/rolleyes.gif If you want to use it rather than worship it, I'd do what it takes to make it functional. If that diminishes the value to collectors, so much the better. The next guy who gets it will get to pay a more reasonable price for it.

[This message has been edited by TomRobb (edited 02-21-2001).]

TomRobb
02-21-2001, 02:35 PM
Not everybody considers old tools holy relics like pieces of the True Cross or the shin bone of St. Stanley http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/rolleyes.gif If you want to use it rather than worship it, I'd do what it takes to make it functional. If that diminishes the value to collectors, so much the better. The next guy who gets it will get to pay a more reasonable price for it.

[This message has been edited by TomRobb (edited 02-21-2001).]

TomRobb
02-21-2001, 02:35 PM
Not everybody considers old tools holy relics like pieces of the True Cross or the shin bone of St. Stanley http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/rolleyes.gif If you want to use it rather than worship it, I'd do what it takes to make it functional. If that diminishes the value to collectors, so much the better. The next guy who gets it will get to pay a more reasonable price for it.

[This message has been edited by TomRobb (edited 02-21-2001).]

Ed Harrow
02-21-2001, 05:09 PM
That was, indeed, interesting. I'm no collector/restorer, but cleaning up tools to restore their self-esteem http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/wink.gif seems like a good idea. I've used phosphoric acid and the 3M scrubbies mentioned in the web site. The down side to the acid is that it will take off anything purposefully etched into the metal. For that reason my Grandfather's Disston saws still carry their patina of rust. I'll need to find some beater to try the electro approach.

Ed Harrow
02-21-2001, 05:09 PM
That was, indeed, interesting. I'm no collector/restorer, but cleaning up tools to restore their self-esteem http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/wink.gif seems like a good idea. I've used phosphoric acid and the 3M scrubbies mentioned in the web site. The down side to the acid is that it will take off anything purposefully etched into the metal. For that reason my Grandfather's Disston saws still carry their patina of rust. I'll need to find some beater to try the electro approach.

Ed Harrow
02-21-2001, 05:09 PM
That was, indeed, interesting. I'm no collector/restorer, but cleaning up tools to restore their self-esteem http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/wink.gif seems like a good idea. I've used phosphoric acid and the 3M scrubbies mentioned in the web site. The down side to the acid is that it will take off anything purposefully etched into the metal. For that reason my Grandfather's Disston saws still carry their patina of rust. I'll need to find some beater to try the electro approach.

Ross Faneuf
02-21-2001, 05:36 PM
Buying planes to use instead of display/collect can be a weird experience. I once happened on a Stanley 88 in an antique shop, so popped out the iron to have a look. The proprietor was all over me for 'breaking' the tool and tried to insist that I would have to buy it (I would have but it was defective). She then angrily wrote a sign forbidding 'handling' the merchandise.

On the other hand, Clark's in Portsmouth NH has a wonderful selection of old hand tools, and gives a discount to craftsmen as opposed to collectors.

Ross Faneuf
02-21-2001, 05:36 PM
Buying planes to use instead of display/collect can be a weird experience. I once happened on a Stanley 88 in an antique shop, so popped out the iron to have a look. The proprietor was all over me for 'breaking' the tool and tried to insist that I would have to buy it (I would have but it was defective). She then angrily wrote a sign forbidding 'handling' the merchandise.

On the other hand, Clark's in Portsmouth NH has a wonderful selection of old hand tools, and gives a discount to craftsmen as opposed to collectors.

Ross Faneuf
02-21-2001, 05:36 PM
Buying planes to use instead of display/collect can be a weird experience. I once happened on a Stanley 88 in an antique shop, so popped out the iron to have a look. The proprietor was all over me for 'breaking' the tool and tried to insist that I would have to buy it (I would have but it was defective). She then angrily wrote a sign forbidding 'handling' the merchandise.

On the other hand, Clark's in Portsmouth NH has a wonderful selection of old hand tools, and gives a discount to craftsmen as opposed to collectors.

Ed Harrow
02-26-2001, 11:02 PM
Hi Wayne! I received your care package today! The shorter one is perfect. Thank you! Finestkind. Greatestplace. Ed http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/smile.gif

Ed Harrow
02-26-2001, 11:02 PM
Hi Wayne! I received your care package today! The shorter one is perfect. Thank you! Finestkind. Greatestplace. Ed http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/smile.gif

Ed Harrow
02-26-2001, 11:02 PM
Hi Wayne! I received your care package today! The shorter one is perfect. Thank you! Finestkind. Greatestplace. Ed http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/smile.gif

Wayne Jeffers
02-27-2001, 08:37 AM
Ed -- I'm somewhat relieved that it worked. Glad I could help. http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/smile.gif

Wayne

Wayne Jeffers
02-27-2001, 08:37 AM
Ed -- I'm somewhat relieved that it worked. Glad I could help. http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/smile.gif

Wayne

Wayne Jeffers
02-27-2001, 08:37 AM
Ed -- I'm somewhat relieved that it worked. Glad I could help. http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/smile.gif

Wayne

Ed Harrow
02-27-2001, 09:38 PM
Somewhat? Geez, I'm certainly a bit more relieved than that!

Ed Harrow
02-27-2001, 09:38 PM
Somewhat? Geez, I'm certainly a bit more relieved than that!

Ed Harrow
02-27-2001, 09:38 PM
Somewhat? Geez, I'm certainly a bit more relieved than that!