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Norman Bernstein
12-03-2015, 02:33 PM
Are these guys completely tone deaf? Sheeeesh!


WASHINGTON -- Several Republican presidential candidates on Thursday made comments that appeared to stereotype Jewish people at a presidential forum attended by many Republican Jewish donors and activists.

The event, hosted by the Republican Jewish Coalition, featured nearly every 2016 GOP candidate and centered on foreign policy. The RJC is heavily funded by GOP mega-donor and casino magnate Sheldon Adelson, who is also a strong defender of Israel.

In his speech at the forum, Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) said his mother advised him to seek Jewish friends because they are loyal.

"My mother told me one time, she said, Johnny -- when I was a very young man -- she said, Johnny, if you want to look for a really good friend, get somebody who's Jewish," Kasich said. "And you know why she said that? She said, no matter what happens to you, your friend, your Jewish friend will stick by your side and fight right with you and stand by you."

Real estate mogul Donald Trump, on the other hand, heaped praise on the business skills of Jewish people.

"I'm a negotiator, like you folks," Trump said, before referencing his book "The Art of the Deal."

"Is there anyone who doesn't renegotiate deals in this room?" Trump said. "Perhaps more than any room I've spoken to."
The presidential candidate then predicted he would not gain the support of Jews in his bid for the White House because he is independently wealthy.

"You’re not going to support me because I don’t want your money," he said, adding that, "you want to control your own politician."

While Trump claims his campaign is self-funded, the majority of his funding to date actually comes from donors, according to his latest campaign finance report (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/donald-trump-fec-fundraising-214838).

It's a miracle that neither of them mentioned big noses or being cheap.

Keith Wilson
12-03-2015, 02:35 PM
Are these guys completely tone deaf?Short answer: yes. For Trump, that's tactful and politic.

Paul Pless
12-03-2015, 02:37 PM
so how did 'the room' receive these comments?

god i love me some trump:D

Anthony Zucker
12-03-2015, 04:36 PM
Norman;

Please accept my apologies. I was sure you had fallen for a Borowitz or Onion screed.

Those candidates should be ashamed of themselves. So should the Jewish Republicans, whoever they are.

Bobcat
12-03-2015, 04:56 PM
so how did 'the room' receive these comments?

god i love me some trump:D


Apparently there were boos....

Gerarddm
12-04-2015, 03:17 AM
SOME boos, which is telling.

Reynard38
12-04-2015, 09:36 AM
Chosen by the far right maybe, as long as they need them. After that its eat and ham sandwich and go to church on Sunday or burn in hell.

pkrone
12-04-2015, 09:40 AM
Meh. What politician doesn't patronize a particular group to which they are speaking at that particular moment? They all say what they think the crowd wants to hear.

Norman Bernstein
12-04-2015, 09:52 AM
They all say what they think the crowd wants to hear.

...and that is precisely the point. Did Trump or Kasich think that they were facing an audience with a disrespectful and contemptuous attitude toward Jews? What is otherwise called 'antisemitism'?

They don't seem to get any blowback when they circuitously dump on Muslims... I guess Jews have risen up, a bit, on the scale of 'minorities we don't like, but don't want to admit to our prejudice'.

RonW
12-04-2015, 09:57 AM
Norman Bernstein -
I guess Jews have risen up, a bit, on the scale of 'minorities we don't like, but don't want to admit to our prejudice'.

They don't have to, it is rather obvious.........I wouldn't vote for Kasich after a comment like that......


P.S. out of curiosity why do you call them the chosen people ?

Gerarddm
12-04-2015, 10:31 AM
Gilmore's pandering contribution was that he had just watched Schindler's List the night before. Incredible.

There is at least one article in the Israeli press that is contemptuous about Trump's speech.

Nicholas Scheuer
12-04-2015, 04:34 PM
I'd have given Paul Pless more sense than to be backing Trump, eh?

Harvey Golden
12-04-2015, 05:02 PM
What was with Carson pronouncing "Hamas" as "Hummous?" Read it in the NYT today, and I'm pretty sure its not a shmear campaign.

ljb5
12-04-2015, 05:14 PM
Meh. What politician doesn't patronize a particular group to which they are speaking at that particular moment?

I think you meant 'pandering'. Patronizing is when you talk down to a person in a way intended to make them feel inferior.

Pandering is when you promise them something, only to gain their support, despite the fact that you're not really interested in it.

Trump's statement was neither patronizing nor pandering, it was stereotyping. Saying someone is a tough negotiator and good at business may sound like a compliment, but it is a nasty stereotype about Jews that has been used for centuries to spread the idea that Jews are greedy, selfish, untrustworthy, and not 'true' members of society.

Osborne Russell
12-04-2015, 05:18 PM
What was with Carson pronouncing "Hamas" as "Hummous?" Read it in the NYT today, and I'm pretty sure its not a shmear campaign.

I've never been clear on "schlmozzle".

Y:o

bobbys
12-04-2015, 07:14 PM
Are these guys completely tone deaf? Sheeeesh!



It's a miracle that neither of them mentioned big noses or being cheap..

A observant person might notice the irony that the poster shows by insinuating they think Jews have big noses and are cheap.

ljb5
12-04-2015, 07:22 PM
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A observant person might notice the irony that the poster shows by insinuating they think Jews have big noses and are cheap.

Or that he is aware that these are common anti-Semitic stereotypes.

S.V. Airlie
12-04-2015, 07:23 PM
What was with Carson pronouncing "Hamas" as "Hummous?" Read it in the NYT today, and I'm pretty sure its not a shmear campaign.He's on a health kick.

Sky Blue
12-04-2015, 07:28 PM
I'd have given Paul Pless more sense than to be backing Trump, eh?

He's into deep sarcasm with a shade of cynicism these days. If something doesn't "feel right" about a given remark, look again. You may find some sarcasm lurking there. Or he could really be round the bend. Depends maybe on the date/time.

ljb5
12-04-2015, 07:33 PM
Patronizing the Chosen People could also mean shopping or eating at Jewish Delicatessen.

Is that what you thought this thread was about?

Reynard38
12-04-2015, 07:39 PM
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A observant person might notice the irony that the poster shows by insinuating they think Jews have big noses and are cheap.

Nothing about being cheap here...


http://youtu.be/i8jZz_QawBg

S.V. Airlie
12-04-2015, 07:54 PM
I doubt trump is patronizing a bagel shop. One would realize that wasn't it when he spoke.

PS, I suspect he sent a minion to buy his bagels anyway