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  • Norman Bernstein
    Liberaltarian
    • Nov 2004
    • 25223

    And they think Hillary is in the pocket of Wall Street?

    I can't decide.... it might be stupidity, in might be utter incompetence... or it could be malevolence. No matter which, the GOP candidates are certainly capable of delivering easily disprovable idiocy in the course of a debate....

    ....and irrational voters actually BELIEVE this crap!

    On Tuesday night, one Republican presidential hopeful after another lined up to offer coded oaths of fealty to Wall Street donors, pledging to empower the nation's biggest banks to wreak havoc-for-profit on the American economy.

    They were rhetorically deft, sending signals that Washington bank lobbyists surely recognized, but which were almost certainly lost on the overwhelming majority of Americans who don't regularly monitor House Financial Services Committee hearings.

    Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, Carly Fiorina, Chris Christie and Rick Santorum all issued calls to repeal, dismantle, hamstring or perform political acts of torture upon Dodd-Frank -- the financial reform law designed to curb the big bank abuses that spawned the worst recession since the Great Depression. Ben Carson may have intended to join them, but was unable to make a coherent point beyond citations of the American revolution, "entrepreneurial risk-taking" and 10-cent increases in the price of soap.

    Dodd-Frank has three basic functions. It creates new, tougher rules targeting the biggest banks, including restrictions on risky trading and requirements that the mega-banks at the core of the crisis hold more capital against potential losses. It established a new consumer agency to protect households against predations, including subprime lending. And it created new rules reining in risky trades of derivatives -- the complex contracts traded in the dark that turned subprime loans into a national disaster.


    Will someone please tell me what is wrong with those objectives?

    Wall Street lobbyists have been pressuring Congress to undo the law ever since it was passed in the summer of 2010. But to hear the Republicans on stage at the debate in Milwaukee, Dodd-Frank wasn't a crackdown on the bad actors from the financial crisis -- it was a positively un-American assault on underdogs everywhere.
    "It's suffocating small business," New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said.

    "Dodd-Frank is it's a great example of how socialism starts," said Carly Fiorina, who has never held public office but was once ranked by Portfolio magazine as the 19th-worst American CEO of all time.

    "The big banks, they have an army of lawyers," Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) said. "They can deal with all these things. The small banks ... they can't deal with all these regulations. … This is an outrage. We need to repeal Dodd-Frank."

    A compelling case from Rubio -- except the tough rules under Dodd-Frank specifically target big banks. Small banks are explicitly carved out from them. And the definition of a "community bank" is exceptionally generous. Any bank with less than $10 billion in total assets is off the hook, nevermind the details of its loan portfolio or lending terms.


    Has Rubio even read the law?


    Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush -- who presided over a massive housing bubble in his state that fueled the national disaster -- gave a rambling discussion appearing to call for higher capital requirements to break up big banks. But then he said this, which is completely false:
    "What we ought to do is raise the capital requirements so banks aren't too big to fail," Bush said. "Dodd-Frank has actually done the opposite, totally the opposite."

    Dodd-Frank has higher capital standards for giant banks than for community banks. The signal was clear. Bush wants to get rid of Dodd-Frank, even if he talks like big banks are a real problem.

    Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) stole the show for pure, unbridled financial irrationality. He called for a return to the Gold Standard -- a policy that even hardline conservative economist Milton Friedman faults as a key driver of the Great Depression -- and heralded the economic stewardship of President Calvin Coolidge, who fed a Wall Street frenzy that eventually resulted in the 1929 stock market crash.
    RonW's heroes: Cruz and Coolidge!

    "The biggest lie in all of Washington and in all of politics is that Republicans are the party of the rich," said Cruz, a millionaire whose wife works at Goldman Sachs. "The truth is, the rich do great with big government. They get in bed with big government. The big banks get bigger and bigger and bigger under Dodd-Frank, and community banks are going out of business."
    Small banks did, in fact, have a rough go at it from 2008 to 2010, as the collapsing economy wrecked their customers' ability to pay back loans. In the years since, the declining number of community banks has been driven by mergers -- capitalist transactions in which a smaller business accepts a large sum of money to be acquired by a larger business.

    For pure paranoia, however, no one on stage could top Fiorina, who called Dodd-Frank "the classic of crony capitalism."

    "We've created something called the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, a vast bureaucracy with no congressional oversight that's digging through hundreds of millions of your credit records to detect fraud," Fiorina said. "This is how socialism starts, ladies and gentlemen."


    Yeah, what a horrible thing: protecting ordinary consumers from fraud, scams, and rip-offs.


    Yeah, no. The CFPB -- the brainchild of Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) -- has to make annual written reports to Congress detailing its activities. The bureau's officials testify before a (hostile Republican) Congress all the time. It gets access to the same lending data that every other bank regulator gets -- including the Federal Reserve, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency. Banks are generally pretty cool with the other regulators. The CFPB, by contrast, has forced shady lenders to return over $10 billion to ripped-off customers since its inception. Its enemies include Wall Street banks, payday lenders, and yes, many so-called "community banks" that have scammed their customers. Funny that Fiorina is only incensed about the one regulatory agency that banks don't like and which has a record of aiding consumers.
    Dodd-Frank has its shortcomings. The big banks are, in fact, too big. But repealing the law won't fix that. If GOP presidential hopefuls really wanted to protect the public from financial excess, they'd talk about breaking up the banks, or banning federal subsidies for risky derivatives trades. Instead, they shriek "socialism!" and "small business!" and hope nobody notices the bank lobby's satisfaction.
    "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."






  • Norman Bernstein
    Liberaltarian
    • Nov 2004
    • 25223

    #2
    Re: And they think Hillary is in the pocket of Wall Street?

    Originally posted by RonW
    You can work your way through this. It will be hard, but hang in there...
    Yeah sure. Meanwhile, you can continue to look at your heroes: Ted Cruz, and his utterly insane idea about returning to the gold standard... and Calvin Coolidge, who added fuel to the flames of the Great Depression.... such GREAT role models!
    "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."






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    • Norman Bernstein
      Liberaltarian
      • Nov 2004
      • 25223

      #3
      Re: And they think Hillary is in the pocket of Wall Street?

      Originally posted by RonW
      And what do you think is going to happen when interest rates go up and government bonds are having to pay 5% ? With $20 trillion of debt that will be $1 trillion a year in interest on the debt........
      A 7th grader would instantly snag the stupidity of that analysis.
      "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."






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      • George Jung
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2004
        • 31057

        #4
        Re: And they think Hillary is in the pocket of Wall Street?

        Ignore ol' RW - if he's responding, it's because you've struck a nerve, nothing more. Certainly nothing rising to a thoughtful (ha!) rebuttal.
        There's a lot of things they didn't tell me when I signed on with this outfit....

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        • Paul Pless
          pinko commie tree hugger
          • Oct 2003
          • 124949

          #5
          Re: And they think Hillary is in the pocket of Wall Street?

          At least they admit it. Hillary on the other hand is as a duplicitous groveling slut to Wall Street. Saying what 'progressives' want to hear while grabbing the money behind the scenes.
          Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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          • Norman Bernstein
            Liberaltarian
            • Nov 2004
            • 25223

            #6
            Re: And they think Hillary is in the pocket of Wall Street?

            'Duplicitous groveling slut'?

            Don't hold back, Pless... tell us how you REALLY feel
            "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."






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            • Paul Pless
              pinko commie tree hugger
              • Oct 2003
              • 124949

              #7
              Re: And they think Hillary is in the pocket of Wall Street?

              I just did. A worse flipflopper than Romney. She herself is certainly an etcha sketch.
              Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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              • SullivanB
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2015
                • 1392

                #8
                Re: And they think Hillary is in the pocket of Wall Street?

                Mr. Pless has rather effectively seized the opportunity presented by Mr. Bernstein to demonstrate one of the rapidly disappearing differences between the two parties, that being the difference in how each handles the pervasive corruption rotting away in their party and destroying the country. The Republicans wear their corruption on their sleeves, openly, even proudly. They actually believe it's the right way to run a government. With them, at least you know where they stand. As Mr. Pless says, they admit it.

                But it's different with the Dems. It's the Dems who are the conniving, deceitful sneak thieves, pretending that they're fighting for the little guy and gal even as they stab them in the back and steal them blind. And get this because it's important. Clinton is a demonstrated establishment/big money Dem sellout; of that, there could be no better example than how she helped advance the TPP, one of the most despicable flimflams ever perpetrated on the American people by a bunch of thieving, lying politicians. It was our gal Hill, out in front, running interference for Obama's treachery. And the TPP is just a small preview of what will be in store for the country with a Clinton presidency.

                Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, seems reluctant to take a firm position.


                And we wonder why better than half of the country believes the woman is not trustworthy.
                Last edited by SullivanB; 11-11-2015, 03:59 PM.

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                • Keith Wilson
                  Trying to be reasonable
                  • Oct 1999
                  • 64195

                  #9
                  Re: And they think Hillary is in the pocket of Wall Street?

                  Mr. Pless and SullivanB are bitterly opposed to the candidacy of a phantom which exists only in their own minds, who they call "Hillary Clinton". I can see why; she's a really dreadful person, and in certain lights she looks a bit like the woman who's running for president.
                  "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations,
                  for nature cannot be fooled."

                  Richard Feynman

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                  • Paul Pless
                    pinko commie tree hugger
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 124949

                    #10
                    Re: And they think Hillary is in the pocket of Wall Street?

                    Forsooth!

                    Originally posted by SullivanB
                    Mr. Pless has rather effectively seized the opportunity presented by Mr. Bernstein to demonstrate one of the rapidly disappearing differences between the two parties, that being the difference in how each handles the pervasive corruption rotting away in their party and destroying the country. The Republicans wear their corruption on their sleeves, openly, even proudly. They actually believe it's the right way to run a government. With them, at least you know where they stand. As Mr. Pless says, they admit it.

                    But it's different with the Dems. It's the Dems who are the conniving, deceitful sneak thieves, pretending that they're fighting for the little guy and gal even as they stab them in the back and steal them blind. And get this because it's important. Clinton is a demonstrated establishment/big money Dem sellout; of that, there could be no better example of how she helped advance the TPP, one of the most despicable flimflams ever perpetrated on the American people by a bunch of thieving, lying politicians. It was our gal Hill, out in front, running interference for Obama's treachery. And the TPP is just a small preview of what will be in store for the country with a Clinton presidency.

                    Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, seems reluctant to take a firm position.


                    And we wonder why better than half of the country believes the woman is not trustworthy.
                    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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                    • Norman Bernstein
                      Liberaltarian
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 25223

                      #11
                      Re: And they think Hillary is in the pocket of Wall Street?

                      Originally posted by SullivanB
                      ....of that, there could be no better example of how she helped advance the TPP, one of the most despicable flimflams ever perpetrated on the American people by a bunch of thieving, lying politicians. .
                      I recall some people saying precisely the same thing about NAFTA.....

                      ...yet, years later, after searching for something of an epilogue, I learned that NAFTA, despite some glitches, was overall quite positive for the country.

                      So now, the TPP is coming under the same attacks.... which, were they true, would basically be an accusation that Obama is an evil person of criminal intent, who is focused on damaging the country.

                      So is that really how you feel about Obama? He's intrinsically evil, and knows that the TPP is a 'despicable flimflam', but is rubbing his hands at the prospect of hurting the country?
                      "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."






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                      • Norman Bernstein
                        Liberaltarian
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 25223

                        #12
                        Re: And they think Hillary is in the pocket of Wall Street?

                        Originally posted by RonW
                        I just don't have the words.......
                        We are aware that you don't have the words... which is why you keep posting the same silly graphic continuously.
                        "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."






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                        • SullivanB
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2015
                          • 1392

                          #13
                          Re: And they think Hillary is in the pocket of Wall Street?

                          Originally posted by Keith Wilson
                          Mr. Pless and SullivanB are bitterly opposed to the candidacy of a phantom which exists only in their own minds, who they call "Hillary Clinton". I can see why; she's a really dreadful person, and in certain lights she looks a bit like the woman who's running for president.
                          The only phantom around here is that "smoke and mirrors" image Hillary and her cohorts are trying to sell to the voters, the absurd charade of Hillary as champion of the people instead of #1 shill for Wall Street, the big internationals and the filthy rich that she so obviously is. Most all of us know who and what she is. It's the fact that so many are willing to settle for it that's the strange one.

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                          • skuthorp
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2002
                            • 73700

                            #14
                            Re: And they think Hillary is in the pocket of Wall Street?

                            It seemingly doesn't matter that for electoral purposes any candidate lies through their teeth, the USSC has said it's OK with them. This applies to all and every candidate, presumably for all and every election.
                            If a candidate says they have changed their mind on an issue, and 'for electoral purposes' and then fails to deliver, then the problem is under the rules that they cannot be held accountable for a fraudulent electoral prospectus. Which brings us back to square one no?

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                            • Norman Bernstein
                              Liberaltarian
                              • Nov 2004
                              • 25223

                              #15
                              Re: And they think Hillary is in the pocket of Wall Street?

                              Originally posted by SullivanB
                              .Most all of us know who and what she is.
                              Really? There was a poll? Dang, I must have missed it!

                              Originally posted by SullivanB
                              It's the fact that so many are willing to settle for it that's the strange one.
                              So, tell me who you're voting for, if it's Hillary v. Trump, or Hillary V. Rubio, or Hllary v. Carson, or Hillary v. Cruz.
                              "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."






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