View Full Version : Swords into Plowshares

10-03-2015, 11:56 AM
A really good WSJ article this morning:


Norman Bernstein
10-03-2015, 02:42 PM
Interesting article; it does seem to be arguing for a liberalization of religion. That argument makes a great deal of sense when talking about religions like fundamentalist Christianity, or radical Islam... and it would seem to apply equally to radical Zionism... and it may also apply to orthodox Catholicism. The problem, I think, is that it's pretty difficult to put a bound or limit on faith; the more fervent the belief, the closer a person comes to rationalizing that which is done in the name of religion... isn't that the very definition of religiously-inspired war?

Regardless, I don't buy the argument that secularism is to blame, in any way whatsoever. That argument might have had some resonance at the height of Communist Russia and China back in the 50's and 60's, but it just doesn't wash any more. The modern secular 'movement' (if it could be called that) is the furthest thing imaginable, from the sorts of tribal/religious enmities which have made the world a violent and dangerous place.

10-03-2015, 02:52 PM
Trouble is that people are stupid and easily led.
Prosecute all religions under fraud and misrepresentation legislation and make them prove their claims. Maybe even under corporate law relating to false prospectuses.

Too Little Time
10-03-2015, 04:00 PM
If Isaiah’s prophecy that nations “shall beat their swords into plowshares” is to be fulfilled, then the essential task now is to think through the connection between religion and violence.

Three answers have emerged in recent years. The first: Religion is the major source of violence. Therefore, if we seek a more peaceful world, we should abolish religion. The second: Religion is not a source of violence. It may be used by manipulative leaders to motivate people to wage wars precisely because it inspires people to heroic acts of self-sacrifice, but religion itself teaches us to love and forgive, not to hate and fight. The third: Their religion, yes; our religion, no. We are for peace. They are for war.

The presumption that a religious prophecy is important to all is a bit much. But it is the typical of where people start to define a problem.

10-03-2015, 04:36 PM
'' Their religion, yes; our religion, no. We are for peace. They are for war.''

The world's oldest and sickest joke.