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Norman Bernstein
10-02-2015, 09:02 AM
Nope, he really can't 'walk it back' :)


House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) appeared on Fox News (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/kevin-mccarthy-attempts-clarify-benghazi-comments-n437241) to walk back his comments that House Benghazi Committee was about taking down Hillary Clinton’s approval rating.Said McCarthy :

”This committee was set up for one sole purpose, to find the truth on behalf of the families of four dead Americans. Now I did not intend to imply in any way that that work was political. Of course it is not, look at the way they have carried themselves out. The point I was trying to make and I want to be very clear about this, I wasn’t saying the committee was political, that committee is solely to get the truth out.”

But as First Read (http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/first-read-politicizing-oregon-shootings-n437391) notes, the Republican Party’s House campaign arm, ran the following fundraising solicitation (https://twitter.com/aseitzwald/status/649642910976053248)yesterday: “You’re now a Benghazi Watchdog. Let’s go after Obama and Hillary Clinton. Help us fight them now.” It’s since been deleted.

Norman Bernstein
10-02-2015, 09:15 AM
So...so what.....who cares....

You'll care, the next time there's some right winger in office, and the other side decides to use congressional hearings to waste taxpayer money, and clog up the work of Congress, to go after them for purely political reasons.

I, of course, will be laughing my head off at your hypocrisy, when that happens.

Ian McColgin
10-02-2015, 09:27 AM
" . . . we learned that from you guys . . . " [#2]

Typical rightie false equivalency and whining. Especially since Nixon's cut-out and Reagan's US history record of 138 administration convictions, the righties have twisted and turned to either show that they are no worse than Democrats or to blame Democrats for their own veniality. They are the party of personal non-responsibility.

Republicans cannot grasp the fundamental difference between legitimate initiatives from which one also gains a political advantage and dressing up political strategies as policy initiatives.

Norman Bernstein
10-02-2015, 09:33 AM
Surely the Left has never and would never do such a thing.

The left probably would.... but that doesn't make it right, or rationalizes the use of congressional investigations to conduct political witch hunts. The liability of being the party in power goes hand in hand with the benefits.... if they abuse the power, they deserve to be castigated for it. Already, the Benghazi investigation rivals, and possibly surpasses, Ken Starr's whitewater witch hunt, which cost the taxpayers 70 million bucks.

If you want the moral right to condemn democrats for doing crap like this, then you have to do the same for Republicans.

slug
10-02-2015, 09:42 AM
You'll care, the next time there's some right winger in office, and the other side decides to use congressional hearings to waste taxpayer money, and clog up the work of Congress, to go after them for purely political reasons.

I, of course, will be laughing my head off at your hypocrisy, when that happens.


It is a waste of taxpayers money. I doubt if any new revelations will surface.

its politics.

ccmanuals
10-02-2015, 09:50 AM
What's sad is Republicans really have no problem with politicizing the death of 4 Americans. I'm sure they view them as collateral damage.

Norman Bernstein
10-02-2015, 09:58 AM
But I made no such condemnation, did I? You've made the condemnations in this thread.

Then we can rest assured that we'll never hear you condemn Democrats for doing the same thing.

David G
10-02-2015, 10:05 AM
Surely the Left has never and would never do such a thing.

More disingenuous claptrap. Innuendo in place of argument and facts. Snark in place of public discourse. And I'll bet you dollars to pipe cleaners that he still thinks of himself as a 'good person'. Baaahhh!


Tell you what Donn, old son, you put up a list of all such actions by lefties. Recruit help. Make the list as large as you can.

I'll do the same. I'll recruit help too. Then we can compare lists.

Consider it a challenge. No more mud-slinging, FalseEquivalence, misinformation. Put up or shut up.

And while you're considering whether to take up the challenge, you might want to also consider the integrity of your approach to such matters. Meditate. Take it to your Minister. Or your therapist, coffee klatch, AA group, book club, wife, mistress, older brother, neighborhood pub, next door neighbor, or whatever sources you have for honest feedback.

TomF
10-02-2015, 10:07 AM
What's sad is Republicans really have no problem with politicizing the death of 4 Americans. I'm sure they view them as collateral damage.I find it very instructive that they'll politicize 4 American deaths in Benghazi, and viciously resist any political response to God only knows how many mass shooting deaths of Americans at home.

Rum_Pirate
10-02-2015, 10:38 AM
Norm, do you have ANY other interests that you could start threads on, other than politics and economics (with or without a political slant) ? :ycool:

TomF
10-02-2015, 10:39 AM
I find it very instructive that they'll politicize 9 American deaths in mass shooting, and viciously resist any political response to God only knows how many mass abortion deaths of Americans at home.No, not 9 American deaths in mass shootings. This is the 994th mass shooting attack in America in the last 3 years. (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/01/obama-oregon-college-shooting-routine) The 294th such attack in America in this year alone.


Do you really want to compare mass shooter attacks with abortions, and college kids with 1st trimester fetuses? Fine. I'm on record with a bunch of suggestions on how to reduce the actual number of abortions, through empirically proven interventions that actually reduce unwanted pregnancies. With supporting more adoption processes too. I've accepted that we can't prevent all abortions, but can probably prevent about 80% of them, if there was actually a will to do so.

Your turn. What's your empirically proven set of proposals which will reduce the number of mass shootings by 80%? Hint: the one which gun rights lobbyists used in Oregon apparently doesn't work.

Norman Bernstein
10-02-2015, 10:40 AM
Norm, do you have ANY other interests that you could start threads on, other than politics and economics (with or without a political slant) ? :ycool:

I post what I please, as does everyone else. If there's a thread that annoys you, the appropriate remedy is to not read it or comment on it. If you DO participate in it, one can only assume it's because you have an interest.

Canoeyawl
10-02-2015, 10:50 AM
Norm, do you have ANY other interests that you could start threads on, other than politics and economics (with or without a political slant) ? :ycool:

Norm's posts are good and well worth reading. You may have missed his posts concerning electrical engineering, and deck building, and sailing...
It is not Norm that put a political slant on the death of 4 people by a terrorist organization. In fact if it were not for your wing nuts, we could be working on solving the terrorist problem together, as a country.

TomF
10-02-2015, 10:50 AM
http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/GOP-elephant-cartoon-re-job-creators-socialists-voter-fraud-by-Randall-Enos.jpgSaved for posterity. Freud loves you, Ron.

Rum_Pirate
10-02-2015, 10:50 AM
I post what I please, as does everyone else. If there's a thread that annoys you, the appropriate remedy is to not read it or comment on it. If you DO participate in it, one can only assume it's because you have an interest.

You are totally correct with your post and it applies to all that post on forums.
It was mere curiosity on my part in wondering if you had any other interests/topics worth sharing.
I tend to open some posts then decline (as you point out) to participate. :ycool:

Norman Bernstein
10-02-2015, 10:55 AM
You are totally correct with your post and it applies to all that post on forums.
It was mere curiosity on my part in wondering if you had any other interests/topics worth sharing.
I tend to open some posts then decline (as you point out) to participate. :ycool:

I have a ton of other interests, but I do find that WHATEVER I post here in the bilge is going to result in some back-splash that is personal, and not topic-related... anything from some mild snark, to some really obnoxious and offensive put downs... from certain people who apparently hate me and will use ANY opportunity to dis me. I survive, barely, by reminding myself that it's just the net.

Rum_Pirate
10-02-2015, 10:56 AM
Norm's posts are good and well worth reading. . . Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.



. . . You may have missed his posts concerning electrical engineering, and deck building, and sailing... Well he did get a lot wiped out at his request due to some attacks.


It is not Norm that put a political slant on the death of 4 people by a terrorist organization. You appear to be focussing on one post/thread.



In fact if it were not for your wing nuts, we could be working on solving the terrorist problem together, as a country.

" your wing nuts" ? :rolleyes: I would like to advise and assure that I have no 'wing nuts' whatsoever, nor do I own or control any. :!


I too, would like to see the terrorist problem solved.

Canoeyawl
10-02-2015, 10:58 AM
I too, would like to see the terrorist problem solved.

Work on that then.

TomF
10-02-2015, 10:59 AM
I too, would like to see the terrorist problem solved.Trouble is, the folks who tend to be on your side of the aisle think they've taken key steps towards that by ousting Boehner.

Rum_Pirate
10-02-2015, 11:01 AM
Trouble is, the folks who tend to be on your side of the aisle think they've taken key steps towards that by ousting Boehner.

'My side' of the aisle ?

TomF
10-02-2015, 11:04 AM
'My side' of the aisle ?Yeah. The "not Liberal" side.

Rum_Pirate
10-02-2015, 11:42 AM
Yeah. The "not Liberal" side. Make that the "not bleeding heart Liberal" side then. :d

john welsford
10-02-2015, 12:10 PM
Sex education in schools would be a good start to reducing abortion rates, but the conservative and many church groups dont like that either.
The cost to lives and society of unplanned and unwanted children is enormous, and a comparatively small investment in time and money at the top of the cliff would save a disaster at the bottom. Most civilised countries do give classes on reproductive health.

John Welsford




No, not 9 American deaths in mass shootings. This is the 994th mass shooting attack in America in the last 3 years. (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/01/obama-oregon-college-shooting-routine) The 294th such attack in America in this year alone.


Do you really want to compare mass shooter attacks with abortions, and college kids with 1st trimester fetuses? Fine. I'm on record with a bunch of suggestions on how to reduce the actual number of abortions, through empirically proven interventions that actually reduce unwanted pregnancies. With supporting more adoption processes too. I've accepted that we can't prevent all abortions, but can probably prevent about 80% of them, if there was actually a will to do so.

Your turn. What's your empirically proven set of proposals which will reduce the number of mass shootings by 80%? Hint: the one which gun rights lobbyists used in Oregon apparently doesn't work.

Norman Bernstein
10-02-2015, 12:38 PM
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BETTY-B
10-02-2015, 02:38 PM
Do you really want to compare mass shooter attacks with abortions, and college kids with 1st trimester fetuses?

To be clear, the vast majority of abortions are embryos, not fetuses.

Sorry, it just always irks me when I see"fetus". Carry on.

RonW
10-02-2015, 03:04 PM
Then we can rest assured that we'll never hear you condemn Democrats for doing the same thing.

This is just a dirty rotten shame that these rotten republicans have slandered such a fine person as Hillary Rodham Clinton......:d

David G
10-02-2015, 03:19 PM
Isn't it interesting how some folks here think that inane comments, reflective of nothing, and/or even substantively incorrect as to the facts actually advance the discourse? I guess there are people who just like to hear their own voice.

skuthorp
10-02-2015, 03:19 PM
Sex education in schools would be a good start to reducing abortion rates, but the conservative and many church groups dont like that either.
The cost to lives and society of unplanned and unwanted children is enormous, and a comparatively small investment in time and money at the top of the cliff would save a disaster at the bottom. Most civilised countries do give classes on reproductive health.

John Welsford
Maybe they reckon they need the unplanned pregnancies to come to term to make up for the numbers being shot?

John Smith
10-02-2015, 03:20 PM
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This would make sense, until you realize they want to force the woman to have the child as punishment for bad behavior.

As to the OP, I'm waiting to see what the Democratic candidates do with this. And the rest of the Democrats, but the the candidates in particular.

Are they going to stand WITH Hillary on this issue?

John Smith
10-02-2015, 03:21 PM
This is just a dirty rotten shame that these rotten republicans have slandered such a fine person as Hillary Rodham Clinton......:d

Hey, they've taken plenty of shots and have always ended up clearing her of whatever they were charging her with.