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David G
09-30-2015, 11:49 AM
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/gop-leader-accidentally-tells-the-truth-about-benghazi-committee


Even die-hard GOP partisans sometimes find it difficult to justify the House Republicans’ Benghazi committee. The party struggled to explain why it was necessary in the first place – the deadly 2012 attack was already examined by seven other congressional committees – and the rationale is even more elusive now that the investigation is the longest in the history of the United States (http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/255138-benghazi-panel-now-longest-congressional-investigation).

Making matters slightly worse, the GOP-led committee has conducted itself (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/gops-benghazi-panel-springs-yet-another-leak) in such a way as to raise concerns that the entire endeavor is little more than a taxpayer-funded election scheme.

Keep that in mind when reading about House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) – the likely next Speaker of the House – and his interview on Fox News last night. Roll Call reported (http://blogs.rollcall.com/218/kevin-mccarthy-gives-boehner-b-credits-benghazi-committee-hurting-hillary-clintons-poll-numbers/?dcz=) this morning on the Republican leader’s on-air comments:


“What you’re going to see is a conservative Speaker, that takes a conservative Congress, that puts a strategy to fight and win. And let me give you one example. Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right?

“But we put together a Benghazi special committee. A select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping. Why? Because she’s untrustable. But no one would have known that any of that had happened had we not fought to make that happen.”



Michael Kinsley once said a political gaffe occurs when a politician accidentally tells the truth. By this measure, the man who’s likely to become Speaker of the House next month made an important mistake last night.


First, I’m reasonably sure “untrustable” isn’t a word.

Second, the ostensible point of the Select Committee on Benghazi was to examine a terrorist attack that left four Americans dead in Libya, not to create an election tool that can affect a presidential candidate’s poll numbers.

Note, McCarthy sees the committee as a legitimate accomplishment of the Republican Congress, not because it’s uncovered relevant details about an act of terrorism, but because Hillary Clinton’s “numbers are dropping.” This, in his mind, is evidence of the GOP majority using its power effectively – by using a supposedly non-partisan investigatory vehicle to embarrass a Democrat with dubious allegations.

It’s almost as if the House Majority Leader assumed he was among friends, dropped his guard momentarily, and admitted out loud what Republicans are only supposed to say in private.

TomF
09-30-2015, 11:51 AM
Every now and then, the veil slips a bit.

Ian McColgin
09-30-2015, 11:56 AM
Ah, let's watch our righties explain that this it's right to use a phony investigation to jigger an election, that it's not happening anyway, and that McCarthy was quoted out of context.

LeeG
09-30-2015, 12:42 PM
I wonder if McCarthy is going to be the Speaker. He is going to be leaving a pile of inconvenient sound bites.

Gerarddm
09-30-2015, 01:18 PM
See my signature.

elf
09-30-2015, 01:29 PM
i doubt he'll be elected. The House Regressives are afraid of the far right and will stall on electing anyone as long as possible. It could be 'til well after Boehner leaves, I suspect.

John of Phoenix
09-30-2015, 01:46 PM
McCarthy - “But we put together a Benghazi special committee. A select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping. Why? Because she’s untrustable. But no one would have known that any of that had happened had we not fought to make that happen.”

He's going to regret those words like he regrets no others when she's President.

Chip-skiff
09-30-2015, 02:12 PM
Sic 'em, Draco!

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Chris Smith porter maine
09-30-2015, 04:05 PM
Is that admission, an admission of a crime? Seems like a crime to use public money for that, fraud to the taxpayer at the least, also using your position in the senate to manipulate an election.

Canoeyawl
09-30-2015, 04:50 PM
That's all we need, another friggin McCarthy on a witch hunt...

oznabrag
09-30-2015, 05:04 PM
Is that admission, an admission of a crime? Seems like a crime to use public money for that, fraud to the taxpayer at the least, also using your position in the senate to manipulate an election.

I believe so, Chris. I hope someone with the power and the cojones to do something about it realizes this.

The so-called 'Republicans' do not give one, single tinker's dam about legality, propriety or ethics.

They will destroy this duly Constituted Republic by any means necessary, fair or foul.

SullivanB
09-30-2015, 05:13 PM
So then, based on trends in a certain highly scientific forum poll being taken right now, it must be fair to conclude that Mr. McCarthy is a very happy man.

oznabrag
09-30-2015, 05:18 PM
So then, based on trends in a certain highly scientific forum poll being taken right now, it must be fair to conclude that Mr. McCarthy is a very happy man.

McCarthy isn't stupid, he's evil.

There's a difference!:D

Jim Mahan
09-30-2015, 05:23 PM
...it must be fair to conclude that Mr. McCarthy is a very happy man.

Or at least it should be easy for him to be a very happy man.


Is it easier to be an aerosole if you're stupid? Notice this isn't partisan, it just sounds like it. Gee...

Now you can call it partisan.

How often do you get to quote yourself so appropriately on separate threads? :D

SullivanB
09-30-2015, 06:48 PM
McCarthy isn't stupid, he's evil.

There's a difference!:D

Actually, he's a multi-tasker, hard at work doing evil and stupid. You''ll see.Y:o

David G
10-01-2015, 09:49 AM
Another take --

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/30/kevin-mccarthys-comments-about-benghazi-should-raise-a-red-flag-for-republicans/



It's unlikely that McCarthy's slip-up will stop his ascension to the top post. But it does raise two important points that should give Republicans in the House — and outside of it — some doubt about McCarthy.

The first is that being speaker is not sort-of-the-same as being majority leader (McCarthy's current job) or majority whip (the job McCarthy held until last summer). You are not the man standing next to the man or the man standing next to the man standing next to the man. You are the man. What you say gets endlessly parsed by reporters and picked apart by your political rivals — both those in the other party and those in your party. You can't get flustered. You can't blurt. You can't get bullied by a talk show host.

The second is that McCarthy's rise to the top job has been remarkably rapid. As Philip Bump wrote in this space earlier in the week, McCarthy would be the least-experienced speaker of the House in more than 100 years (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/28/kevin-mccarthy-would-be-the-least-experienced-house-speaker-since-1891/).


https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2015/09/Experience_Column.png&w=1484

Some — including many in the tea party caucus — will say that McCarthy's lack of experience in both Congress (since 2007) and in leadership (since 2009) is a good thing. Less time to be corrupted and co-opted. But McCarthy's comments to Hannity suggest the downside of inexperience. You can't just say stuff — especially stuff that contradicts a long-held talking point of the current speaker and hands Democrats a cudgel to beat your side up with.

Coronations in politics rarely work out. (See Clinton, Hillary.) Competition, it turns out, is often a very good thing. Republicans may well look back at the failure to even consider a serious challenge to McCarthy as a missed opportunity to put the Californian through his paces before giving him the biggest job of his career.

LeeG
10-01-2015, 09:54 AM
"Speaking to CNN's Wolf Blitzer on "The Situation Room," Chaffetz, R-Utah, said McCarthy should apologize, saying the California Republican made an "absolutely inappropriate statement."
"That was not the reason we started. We started because there were four dead Americans and we didn't have answers," Chaffetz said."

He just wants answers! But as we saw grilling Cecille Richards of PP he just want to grandstand.

John Smith
10-01-2015, 10:00 AM
McCarthy - “But we put together a Benghazi special committee. A select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping. Why? Because she’s untrustable. But no one would have known that any of that had happened had we not fought to make that happen.”

He's going to regret those words like he regrets no others when she's President.

This is another moment when the person speaking doesn't realize who is listening. Guess he thought all of those listening were Republicans and would be proud of this accomplishment.

John Smith
10-01-2015, 10:01 AM
Is that admission, an admission of a crime? Seems like a crime to use public money for that, fraud to the taxpayer at the least, also using your position in the senate to manipulate an election.

I would agree, but we, the people, accept all of this as free speech, which is one reason we are where we are.

David G
10-01-2015, 10:20 AM
Another take. Sure... he really needs to apologize. For telling the truth --

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/following-mccarthys-candor-dems-ready-quit-benghazi-panel


The response to the likely House Speaker’s confession was swift and severe. Consider, for example, what Rep. Adam Smith (D-Wash.), a member of the Select Committee on Benghazi, told (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/benghazi-committee-is-a-joke--rep.-smith-535718467974) Rachel on the show last night.


“[T]he committee is a joke and I think Democrats ought to call it what it is and say we`re not going to participate in this anymore.

“And that’s my initial reaction – I`ll listen to my leadership on this and perhaps they will again have greater wisdom – but it just has been an embarrassment.”



It’s no idle threat. In light of Kevin McCarthy, the likely next Speaker of the House, admitting what Democrats have long feared, there’s a very real possibility that Dems on the panel may decide to simply walk away from a process that’s been corrupted. If the committee is now nothing more than a taxpayer-funded election tool, some Democrats no longer see the point in participating in a farce.

Indeed, Smith isn’t the only one with these concerns. Yesterday, other Democratic committee members, including Reps. Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.) and Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), called on the Benghazi panel to disband, though they have not yet indicated whether they’re prepared to resign in protest.

As for the other side of the aisle, Republicans weren’t exactly pleased that McCarthy accidentally told the truth and exposed the Benghazi committee as a partisan election scheme. Indeed, several prominent GOP lawmakers spent the day telling reporters how wrong their leader is about the party’s activities.

By some accounts, Republicans were “privately … outraged (http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/30/politics/kevin-mccarthy-benghazi-committee-speaker/index.html)” by McCarthy’s remarks. When Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) was asked with the comments might jeopardize McCarthy’s promotion to the Speaker’s office, the Michigan Republican responded (http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/30/politics/kevin-mccarthy-benghazi-committee-speaker/index.html), “I think it should be a concern.” [Update: House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz has called on McCarthy to “apologize (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jason-chaffetz-kevin-mccarthy-benghazi)” for his remarks.]

SullivanB
10-01-2015, 11:25 AM
Methinks they've really stepped in it, this time. They've managed to raise the Republican Sharia threat level to an all time high. The nation's reaction to their shameful conduct has been visceral and overwhelming negative. And there is a silver lining that comes with that kind of abusive conduct, for there could hardly be a more effective way to show people just what they really are and what they stand for. We can be sure there'll be many other reminders of the harm they would inflict on the nation, for they really do think that their way is legitimate. It's who they are. They're on their way to irrelevance and things like this will probably make it happen sooner.