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seanz
09-27-2015, 02:52 AM
A historic ship has run aground at the Waimakariri river mouth on its return following repairs.

The MV Tuhoe has been in Lyttelton receiving more than $200,000 in repairs, and was returning to its home on the river in Kaiapoi.
According to the Kaiapoi Rivertown Trust website, it had the hold section of the starboard hull and hold floor framing rebuilt on dry dock in Lyttelton.
Police senior Sergeant John Daunton said it ran aground about 4pm, with 11 people aboard. The group was still on board at 6pm, as the crew waited for the tide to come up.
Coastguard were monitoring the situation, Daunton said.
MV Tuhoe Kaiapoi Rivertown Trust chairman Philip Redmond said despite being on the beach, the boat appeared to be in a "fairly safe" position.
Most of the crew had been transported off the ship, with a skeleton crew left on board until it could be moved. It was unknown it this would be Sunday night or on Monday, so the skeleton crew may remain onboard overnight.
"We hope it's not damaged, it's designed to sit on the bottom, with a flat hull."
As well as having "significant" repairs completed, it had also just been surveyed, which was like a warrant of fitness for boats.
"It was coming back today, and it's almost made it."
It had been escorted by the Coastguard.
"It's tricky crossing the bar, you have to do it at the right time and at the right channel."
Christchurch man John Knox said he and his wife saw the boat on the south side of the river mouth after they took a Sunday drive to photograph whitebaiters.

It was the first time Knox had seen the historic boat washed up on the beach.
"I thought, 'Oh that's not supposed to be there'.
"It's really sad because people put a lot of work in to looking after that thing over the years. It may have done some damage to the props and rudders."
The MV Tuhoe is an historic schooner that was built in 1919 and is now stationed on the Kaiapoi River wharf.
- Stuff

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/72459565/historic-ship-runs-aground-in-river-mouth


Not sure what happened yet, but they missed the channel by at least 50 meters.


Really appreciating the first day of Daylight Saving...gave us a chance to get down to the rivermouth and have a good stickybeak before it got dark.
:)

oznabrag
09-27-2015, 10:17 AM
Well, at least she'd just been rebuilt.

Sounds as though, if she had gone aground before the repairs, she'd be breaking up by now.

This is merely a test!

Mcjim
09-27-2015, 03:36 PM
We were sailing on the river so watched with interest.

They possibly should have followed the buoy path that the coastguard had put out.

Should have been a bit to the left of this.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1eCXC0q32ns/VghRdtJIAbI/AAAAAAAAAOg/iczik3hmhak/w800-h533-no/IMG_7797.JPG

Well Stuck.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tQdI5_Eo35Q/VghSblUZcWI/AAAAAAAAAPg/VFeJe2Fgeec/w800-h533-no/IMG_7815.JPG

Last night's position.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/7zyxN-LOssenDzp5gCEHvbDzFNYW_ve_FHTU2FC06FFt5oTup6cgeJQT Msigd5kQIRpI-es68tybyWnSHW8jfhohotgAOjN5MctKQRGk0tc8W9SlY26lFxI BJvHL_IfJM4CznLvTaBvCmI_22ER3J2gzmgbaxw0Y_Ls7j08fe STattL1qJW5T7OQ57bNsy6SdHldVVHMEIGvVWNEbo9PwTO04za Djb5mibjNf1HUtov7tocjHWjN-Zenuzo_UtTgU12qBs3knyX8rSi6fs6-MOz8jo7xbwpaWAuV1-6CxM97_u-8BUXz3wE6Ourq1x3GpaW_hbzrJ_VT0FRg_evuXuzTphF4tPfaL SGnUp4-svenOLrsP2x1gjE1gnV81iNa6Bv5tpXjEiWL96RW7QwPdEh5Yb e-jh68XElL8QciEUhwq45n_iubsc6erwOjVsaw5xN5OQdENkaX8F xMdJdlSbvbkVR_o235DH-JE6IUUrLU34BNKAaOY8g0bdq0OsOhYQ62OzWvl7pqCpY2fWSIl GK9HD2A_cbHOrtsXXaL_wU=w800-h533-no

There is now a line attached and the plan is to try towing it off on this afternoons tide. The weather should hold for a day or two but the tides are peaking so it needs to come off soon.

Mike

Hwyl
09-27-2015, 03:49 PM
Pretty high tide too with the eclipse.

epoxyboy
09-28-2015, 12:19 AM
Bugger. She's broken to badly to refloat http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/72465123/mv-tuhoe-ship-will-never-sail-againPete

seanz
09-28-2015, 12:41 AM
Yes, upgraded from a botheration to a total embuggerance.

Went down for another look and it seems her back broke in the night. I was really expecting them to be able to float her off. Two big heavy motors in the back and an empty hold...
It's pretty sad if she's really gone, a lot of hours have been put into that boat by volunteers.

Pete's link says they're talking of cutting her up, that's it then.
:(

seanz
09-28-2015, 01:12 AM
From the front page of the online Press.


The MV Tuhoe - a North Canterbury landmark - can't be saved after running aground.

Well, it's a landmark now, I suppose.


Bloody Hell, who writes that stuff?

Rum_Pirate
09-28-2015, 08:53 AM
I would not like to be the Captain, the navigator or even the helmsman.

The vid referred to a wave hit the 'side' of the vessel, veered it off course and the helmsman was unable to correct it.

Must have been a very big wave.

The sea can be a dangerous place.

seanz
09-28-2015, 12:27 PM
It's a real shame, The MV Tuhoe was in the US Army during WW2, as were other NZ cargo ships. All the way to New Guinea and back.
This one was broken up earlier this year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Echo_%28IX-95%29

Not sure if there are many left now.

oznabrag
09-28-2015, 12:29 PM
I would not like to be the Captain, the navigator or even the helmsman.

The vid referred to a wave hit the 'side' of the vessel, veered it off course and the helmsman was unable to correct it.

Must have been a very big wave.

The sea can be a dangerous place.

Perhaps this 'big wave' dislodged something and jammed the steering gear.

seanz
09-28-2015, 12:37 PM
The waves probably weren't all of the problem, she's known to be a handful in a crosswind. "Mcjim" might be able to tell us how windy it was at the time. There was a bit of a wind that day but I thought it had died down in the afternoon.

Mcjim
09-28-2015, 02:22 PM
The wind wasn't bad but was fairly fresh. By the time they tried crossing it might have been between about 12 to 15 knots average gusting +5.
I wouldn't have said the bar was rough either. There was a little southerly on Saturday but not enough to raise a big swell and the easterly was only a sea breeze that built over four or so hours. The first photo shows a white-baiter standing out on an inner bar - nothing was coming up the river.
The channel is currently at the north end of the mouth and those watching said the boat appeared to cut the corner and not go far enough. There was no word on the VHF of a mechanical problem.

Mike

Chip-skiff
09-28-2015, 03:09 PM
Alas! There are quite a few people gutted by this, I'd think. That were looking forward having Tuhoe back in her home port.

That bar, and the one at the mouth of the Avon, have wrecked quite a few vessels. That's why Lyttelton Harbour (a caldera open at the east end to the sea) became the main port for Christchurch.

seanz
09-28-2015, 03:24 PM
Thanks Mike.


Probably not impossible to salvage her, but what do you do then?


http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd164/seanz_2007/023_zps08swxghl.jpg

Chip-skiff
09-28-2015, 03:24 PM
Here's a Google Earth view of the mouth of the Waimakariri and the bar. It's a major river and dumps a huge load of sediment.

From the look of the beaches, the tide was low when this was taken. Hard to see a good way in.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-AAR5WwXzRMc/VgmgkJoh31I/AAAAAAAAI3E/wbvbJLi0koo/s850-Ic42/waimak%252520bar%252520%2525281%252529.jpg

Mcjim
09-28-2015, 05:06 PM
The word I got was that they were getting ready at low tide to pull it off last night but an engineer (possibly from Starkes' who were running things) declared it was too broken. It spent a long time getting rolled about in the surf before being beached and the overnight high tide would have been sending swell under her stern.

It is interesting to look at the historical images on Google earth and watch the mouth and channel shift about. A few years ago there was no beach at high tide on the south side and the river was taking trees off the end of the spit. Last year the mouth was and the channel were in the centre and we got some fun swells coming up the river at high tide. This year the channel has hooked north. We could do with a good north-wester to send a fresh down as there is a big sandbank growing upstream from the yacht club.

seanz
09-28-2015, 05:27 PM
The stern is twisted, they say.
Even if refloated, it would have to have the engines out to allow them to fix that and that would be quite (!) expensive...judging by what the recent work cost.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/72465123/Experts-put-heads-together-over-Tuhoe-salvage-effort


Salvage crews will meet for two hours to decide how they will recover the stranded MV Tuhoe on Tuesday.
The 96-year-old ship was returning to its berth in the Kaiapoi River, after receiving more than $200,000 worth of repairs in Lyttelton, when it ran aground on a sandbar at the Waimakariri River mouth about 4pm Sunday.
MV Tuhoe Kaiapoi Riverton Trust chairman Philip Redmond said a surveyor had examined the ship and deemed the risk too great to try and save it.

Regional harbourmaster Jim Dilley said the ship's owners, insurance company, contractors and a salvage crew would meet with him at 8am on Tuesday to discuss how they could recover the damaged vessel. They would have a detailed plan by 10am.
Dilley, who did not know how the ship fared overnight, said on Monday the waves were moving the boat's stern, causing a twisting effect with the potential to break it in half.
If the ship had broken up overnight, it would ideally be salvaged in pieces during a daytime low tide.

If it could be refloated, the best conditions would be a 4pm high tide so they could prepare it during the day. High tide on Tuesday was about 7am.
"If we take the worst case scenario and have to break it up on site and transport it out, it could take over a week.
"The damage we saw yesterday made it unsuitable to refloat yesterday and I imagine the damage would have got worse overnight," Dilley said.

seanz
09-28-2015, 07:09 PM
It's not over till it's over...but it looks like it's all over now.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/north-canterbury/72511248/salvage-crews-start-deconstructing-mv-tuhoe

Chip-skiff
09-28-2015, 09:43 PM
It is interesting to look at the historical images on Google earth and watch the mouth and channel shift about. A few years ago there was no beach at high tide on the south side and the river was taking trees off the end of the spit. Last year the mouth was and the channel were in the centre and we got some fun swells coming up the river at high tide. This year the channel has hooked north. We could do with a good north-wester to send a fresh down as there is a big sandbank growing upstream from the yacht club.

One significant change over the last 150 years is that the combination of timbering, grazing, and crop agriculture has put a lot more sediment in the rivers, without increasing the water flow needed to carry it away. So the bars at the mouths of rivers and harbours have increased in size, becoming more treacherous for navigation than they were during the founding of the colony.

Harbours, too, have been silting in. I've seen pictures of large yachts moored at low tide at Governors Bay, on Lyttelton Harbour, where today it's all mudflats.

seanz
09-28-2015, 10:12 PM
Not sure if that's the case here, Chip, though you might have a point, there hasn't been a lot of rain this year. The Waimakariri gets a good flush with the snow melt every year and then there's the floods, not to mention the removal of shingle for construction. There is some silting of the upper Kaiapoi River, though I believe this is from the house construction boom here.

Historically speaking a lot of vessels have grounded on that bar with some being lost. Why The Tuhoe was to the South when the river mouth has moved North over the last few years, I don't know.

When that river gets running it just goes straight out to sea, you can see the difference in depth at low tide when the flow recedes. Did you ever see the Waimak running fast while you lived here? It's impressively fast.

Chip-skiff
09-28-2015, 10:23 PM
Yeah- we were there during the spring flows, and drove to Arthur's Pass with many stops to look at the river. The profile is steep and when the channel fills up, it scours and runs very fast.

From the look of the Google Earth shot, the shore falls off steeply to the deep ocean, so the sediment doesn't spread out and form a big estuary. But that means that there are deep-ocean swells hitting the bar, which is a spooky situation. Same deal at Greymouth.

Friends had the farm at Kaipara South Head, and we used to sit on the cliffs at sunset and try to pick out navigable channels— not easy. I doubt that the timber schooners that hauled out all the kauri, back in the day, could cross the bar at present. (Just looked at it on Google Earth- more room than I recall, although depths are hard to judge from air photos).

seanz
09-30-2015, 12:00 AM
You're a patient man, Chip. :)


This is a sad shot.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/north-canterbury/72547511/MV-Tuhoe-ship-reduced-to-rubble

seanz
09-30-2015, 02:31 AM
And it gets sadder.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/north-canterbury/72547511/MV-Tuhoe-ship-reduced-to-rubble


They mention the engines, there's a pair of Atlas Imperial diesels in there. I'm going to miss them almost as much as the rest of the boat...

seanz
10-12-2015, 08:49 AM
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/72930007/remains-of-demolished-mv-tuhoe-ship-go-up-in-smoke

Chip-skiff
10-12-2015, 12:34 PM
What a shame. I'd hate to be the skipper.

seanz
02-03-2016, 05:34 AM
I agree with you, Chip. Maritime NZ is considering reopening its investigation into the grounding of the Tuhoe. It seems somebody has some drone footage of the event and things aren't quite what some people said they were.

skuthorp
02-03-2016, 05:38 AM
What use will that be, someone get's a fine that's a fraction of the prosecution costs? Can't bring the ship back. There's a better way to spend the money.
http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1410380127/234/10485234.jpg
Echo looks a bit far gone.
http://ww100.govt.nz/sites/default/files/styles/square_thumbnail/public/02335.jpg?itok=n-JSHmNa
The Nautilus with a history at Galipoli of transporting wounded.

Or even some archaeology on Rangitoto Island.
http://www.dayofarchaeology.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/IMG_7169-695x521.jpg

seanz
02-03-2016, 05:50 AM
What use will that be, someone get's a fine that's a fraction of the prosecution costs? Can't bring the ship back. There's a better way to spend the money.

It's just a considering of a reopening, nobody is talking prosecution at this point.




http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1410380127/234/10485234.jpg
Echo looks a bit far gone.






It's worse that you think.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/67652477/Demolition-work-on-historic-Echo-begins-in-Picton

seanz
06-12-2016, 09:13 PM
"Finger-pointing" says the headline.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/80825615/fingerpointing-over-tuhoe-stranding-watchdog-refuses-to-investigate

This is a really sad quote.

Human error and poor communication – not a "freak wave" – likely contributed to a historic ship becoming wrecked on a North Canterbury beach.
Drone footage allegedly shows the seas were calm and the 96-year-old Tuhoe was well off course when it hit the Waimakariri sandbar last September. It could not be re-floated and had to be destroyed..
Yet national maritime safety watchdog Maritime NZ will not conduct a full inquiry, citing lack of resources.

John B
06-12-2016, 10:02 PM
What was the human error.. they were led in off the channel , or they just plain ran her in there out of the channel?
It would only take one look at the drone footage and all would become clear.

Tom Hunter
06-13-2016, 06:21 AM
The article raises the question of the coast guards role in the grounding, "lack of funds" may be that they don't want to investigate because no one would like the findings.