Shopping can be fun!

[Donn]

I found this site yesterday, quite by accident, and spent a very nice hour (and $50!) browsing through their treasures. Everthing from tiny electric motors to a smoking skull for your desk. One of the best bargains is a full-face plastic face guard for $12.95.

American Science & Surplus (http://www.sciplus.com/index.cfm)

http://www.sciplus.com/itm_photos/35509.jpg

Anpispary Mask

That's what it says, right there across the forehead. We think they meant Anti-Spray Mask, but we love these little language quirks. They bring us such cool items - like this curved clear-plastic face shield that will stop wood chips, spray paint and other low-impact flying objects. It covers the face and most of the top of the head, has an adjustable headband to keep it from slipping, and is about 12" x 9" dia OA. Useful, and the perfect finishing touch for your Anpispary costume."

Clever copy throughout the site.

[Donn]

I found this site yesterday, quite by accident, and spent a very nice hour (and $50!) browsing through their treasures. Everthing from tiny electric motors to a smoking skull for your desk. One of the best bargains is a full-face plastic face guard for $12.95.

American Science & Surplus (http://www.sciplus.com/index.cfm)

http://www.sciplus.com/itm_photos/35509.jpg

Anpispary Mask

That's what it says, right there across the forehead. We think they meant Anti-Spray Mask, but we love these little language quirks. They bring us such cool items - like this curved clear-plastic face shield that will stop wood chips, spray paint and other low-impact flying objects. It covers the face and most of the top of the head, has an adjustable headband to keep it from slipping, and is about 12" x 9" dia OA. Useful, and the perfect finishing touch for your Anpispary costume."

Clever copy throughout the site.

[Donn]

I found this site yesterday, quite by accident, and spent a very nice hour (and $50!) browsing through their treasures. Everthing from tiny electric motors to a smoking skull for your desk. One of the best bargains is a full-face plastic face guard for $12.95.

American Science & Surplus (http://www.sciplus.com/index.cfm)

http://www.sciplus.com/itm_photos/35509.jpg

Anpispary Mask

That's what it says, right there across the forehead. We think they meant Anti-Spray Mask, but we love these little language quirks. They bring us such cool items - like this curved clear-plastic face shield that will stop wood chips, spray paint and other low-impact flying objects. It covers the face and most of the top of the head, has an adjustable headband to keep it from slipping, and is about 12" x 9" dia OA. Useful, and the perfect finishing touch for your Anpispary costume."

Clever copy throughout the site.

[Garrett Lowell]

Thanks Donn. I just ordered the BYO Blimp (I always wanted my own zeppelin) and the underwater swimmers for the kids' bath.

[Garrett Lowell]

Thanks Donn. I just ordered the BYO Blimp (I always wanted my own zeppelin) and the underwater swimmers for the kids' bath.

[Garrett Lowell]

Thanks Donn. I just ordered the BYO Blimp (I always wanted my own zeppelin) and the underwater swimmers for the kids' bath.

[Garrett Lowell]

I admit, I gave serious thought to the Chicken Chucker, if only for the name, but I think I've done enough damage for one day.

[Garrett Lowell]

I admit, I gave serious thought to the Chicken Chucker, if only for the name, but I think I've done enough damage for one day.

[Garrett Lowell]

I admit, I gave serious thought to the Chicken Chucker, if only for the name, but I think I've done enough damage for one day.

[Bruce Hooke]

Sorry about being the dull nitpicking guy, but before I ordered any sort of face or eye protection I would want to know that it meats ANSI Z87.1 standards. I'd hate to have my face shield shatter and get injured by the face shield that was supposed to protect me. If you are only going to use it for spraying then maybe your standards could be different...

[Bruce Hooke]

Sorry about being the dull nitpicking guy, but before I ordered any sort of face or eye protection I would want to know that it meats ANSI Z87.1 standards. I'd hate to have my face shield shatter and get injured by the face shield that was supposed to protect me. If you are only going to use it for spraying then maybe your standards could be different...

[Bruce Hooke]

Sorry about being the dull nitpicking guy, but before I ordered any sort of face or eye protection I would want to know that it meats ANSI Z87.1 standards. I'd hate to have my face shield shatter and get injured by the face shield that was supposed to protect me. If you are only going to use it for spraying then maybe your standards could be different...

[Donn]

The copy refers to it as "low impact," so I'm assuming it doesn't meet any standards. It's going to be used to keep plaster from falling in my face as I chip it out of the ceiling.

[Donn]

The copy refers to it as "low impact," so I'm assuming it doesn't meet any standards. It's going to be used to keep plaster from falling in my face as I chip it out of the ceiling.

[Donn]

The copy refers to it as "low impact," so I'm assuming it doesn't meet any standards. It's going to be used to keep plaster from falling in my face as I chip it out of the ceiling.

[Bruce Hooke]

I don't envy you that job!

BTW -- For what it's worth I've been told that some old plaster has asbestos in it. If this concerns you then you might want to have a sample of the plaster tested...

[Bruce Hooke]

I don't envy you that job!

BTW -- For what it's worth I've been told that some old plaster has asbestos in it. If this concerns you then you might want to have a sample of the plaster tested...

[Bruce Hooke]

I don't envy you that job!

BTW -- For what it's worth I've been told that some old plaster has asbestos in it. If this concerns you then you might want to have a sample of the plaster tested...

[John Bell]

My understanding of the risks from asbestos are from long term chronic exposure. A one time exposure from a couple of hours of demolition isn't supposed be a huge deal, risk-wise. Eye protection is far more important.

[John Bell]

My understanding of the risks from asbestos are from long term chronic exposure. A one time exposure from a couple of hours of demolition isn't supposed be a huge deal, risk-wise. Eye protection is far more important.

[John Bell]

My understanding of the risks from asbestos are from long term chronic exposure. A one time exposure from a couple of hours of demolition isn't supposed be a huge deal, risk-wise. Eye protection is far more important.

[Donn]

I looked for asbestos, but didn't see any. ;)

This is what the job looks like:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid54/pc0fa6d803d64e738c7e7f5591c8ab9e5/fc829cbb.jpg

That's radiant copper heating embedded in a ~2" thick plaster ceiling. It's in the living room, dining room, 2 bedrooms and 1 bathroom on the first floor, and I'm removing it. Started last winter, and will likely extend through next winter. I'm using a Bosch rotary hammer, and hauling grocery bags of the chopped-up material to the curb.

[Donn]

I looked for asbestos, but didn't see any. ;)

This is what the job looks like:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid54/pc0fa6d803d64e738c7e7f5591c8ab9e5/fc829cbb.jpg

That's radiant copper heating embedded in a ~2" thick plaster ceiling. It's in the living room, dining room, 2 bedrooms and 1 bathroom on the first floor, and I'm removing it. Started last winter, and will likely extend through next winter. I'm using a Bosch rotary hammer, and hauling grocery bags of the chopped-up material to the curb.

[Donn]

I looked for asbestos, but didn't see any. ;)

This is what the job looks like:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid54/pc0fa6d803d64e738c7e7f5591c8ab9e5/fc829cbb.jpg

That's radiant copper heating embedded in a ~2" thick plaster ceiling. It's in the living room, dining room, 2 bedrooms and 1 bathroom on the first floor, and I'm removing it. Started last winter, and will likely extend through next winter. I'm using a Bosch rotary hammer, and hauling grocery bags of the chopped-up material to the curb.

[Bruce Hooke]

Originally posted by John Bell:
My understanding of the risks from asbestos are from long term chronic exposure. A one time exposure from a couple of hours of demolition isn't supposed be a huge deal, risk-wise. Eye protection is far more important.Boy, that's sure not what I've been told! It would be nice if it's true because I probably have been exposed to asbetos and related materials at one time or another...

[Bruce Hooke]

Originally posted by John Bell:
My understanding of the risks from asbestos are from long term chronic exposure. A one time exposure from a couple of hours of demolition isn't supposed be a huge deal, risk-wise. Eye protection is far more important.Boy, that's sure not what I've been told! It would be nice if it's true because I probably have been exposed to asbetos and related materials at one time or another...

[Bruce Hooke]

Originally posted by John Bell:
My understanding of the risks from asbestos are from long term chronic exposure. A one time exposure from a couple of hours of demolition isn't supposed be a huge deal, risk-wise. Eye protection is far more important.Boy, that's sure not what I've been told! It would be nice if it's true because I probably have been exposed to asbetos and related materials at one time or another...

[Evan Showell]

Although neither a doctor, nor scientist, I'm with Bruce on the asbestos hazard. I have been taught that even a single exposure to friable (that's airborne, or capable of becoming airborne to us regular folks) asbestos presents a health risk and that a single asbestos fiber can be enough to cause such wonderful industrial diseases as asbestosis or mesothelioma (sp?). Meso isn't a pretty disease as I've noted from the very ocassional depositions of steamfitters with that particular disease. It is an unpleasant death.

Donn -- it's unlikely that you would "see" asbestos in asbestos containing plaster. It isn't like pipe wrap. If the house was built between about 1920 and 1940 I'd have a sample of the plaster tested to rule out the presence of asbestos, or I'd take precautions (like full respirator) when working around the plaster.

A bit of practical advice given my field of endeavor -- if you have the house tested and it comes back positive for asbestos-containing plaster, then in N.J. you would have to disclose the presence of same to a potential purchaser. I'm willing to bet N.Y. law is not to the contrary, but offer no opinion re: the same.

You might just want to proceed as though the plaster contained asbestos.

You can thank Bruce later.

[Evan Showell]

Although neither a doctor, nor scientist, I'm with Bruce on the asbestos hazard. I have been taught that even a single exposure to friable (that's airborne, or capable of becoming airborne to us regular folks) asbestos presents a health risk and that a single asbestos fiber can be enough to cause such wonderful industrial diseases as asbestosis or mesothelioma (sp?). Meso isn't a pretty disease as I've noted from the very ocassional depositions of steamfitters with that particular disease. It is an unpleasant death.

Donn -- it's unlikely that you would "see" asbestos in asbestos containing plaster. It isn't like pipe wrap. If the house was built between about 1920 and 1940 I'd have a sample of the plaster tested to rule out the presence of asbestos, or I'd take precautions (like full respirator) when working around the plaster.

A bit of practical advice given my field of endeavor -- if you have the house tested and it comes back positive for asbestos-containing plaster, then in N.J. you would have to disclose the presence of same to a potential purchaser. I'm willing to bet N.Y. law is not to the contrary, but offer no opinion re: the same.

You might just want to proceed as though the plaster contained asbestos.

You can thank Bruce later.

[Evan Showell]

Although neither a doctor, nor scientist, I'm with Bruce on the asbestos hazard. I have been taught that even a single exposure to friable (that's airborne, or capable of becoming airborne to us regular folks) asbestos presents a health risk and that a single asbestos fiber can be enough to cause such wonderful industrial diseases as asbestosis or mesothelioma (sp?). Meso isn't a pretty disease as I've noted from the very ocassional depositions of steamfitters with that particular disease. It is an unpleasant death.

Donn -- it's unlikely that you would "see" asbestos in asbestos containing plaster. It isn't like pipe wrap. If the house was built between about 1920 and 1940 I'd have a sample of the plaster tested to rule out the presence of asbestos, or I'd take precautions (like full respirator) when working around the plaster.

A bit of practical advice given my field of endeavor -- if you have the house tested and it comes back positive for asbestos-containing plaster, then in N.J. you would have to disclose the presence of same to a potential purchaser. I'm willing to bet N.Y. law is not to the contrary, but offer no opinion re: the same.

You might just want to proceed as though the plaster contained asbestos.

You can thank Bruce later.

[Donn]

Evan...I know that I would be unlikely to see asbestos. That's why I put a little winkie-thingy next to the statement.

The plaster I'm removing looks like it was installed in the 50's or 60's, just judging by the condition of the copper it's encasing. Since it is being used to house an overhead heat source, it's unlikely that the DIY'er who did the work, mixed any insulating material into it. Rather than going through the process of testing, and having it professionally removed if it does have nasties in it, I opted to remove it myself. When I'm finished, there will be no more plaster in the house, so notifying a potential buyer won't be a question.

The only precautions I'm taking are eye protection, and coveralls. I use a powerful exhaust fan to take the dust out while I'm working, and keep the area well vac'd. I can't use a respirator, because they don't fit over my beard and cigar. ;)

On asbestos exposure. It's true that even the smallest amount poses a small threat. It's equally true, and more important, that increased and prolonged exposure poses a much greater threat.

"Three things seem to determine your likelihood of developing one of these asbestos related diseases:

The amount and duration of exposure - the more you are exposed to asbestos and the more fibers that enter your body, the more likely you are to develop asbestos related problems. While there is no "safe level" of asbestos exposure, people who are exposed more frequently over a long period of time are more at risk.

Whether or not you smoke - if you smoke and you have been exposed to asbestos, you are far more likely to develop lung cancer than someone who does not smoke and who has not been exposed to asbestos. If you work with asbestos or have been exposed to it, the first thing you should do to reduce your chances of developing cancer is to stop smoking.
Organizations that may offer programs, support, or information to help people stop smoking are:

OSU Wellness Center
National Cancer Institute (1-800-4-CANCER)
American Heart Association (1-800-242-8721)
American Lung Association (in Oklahoma: 405-524-8471)

Age - cases of mesothelioma have occurred in the children of asbestos workers whose only exposures were from the dust brought home on the clothing of family members who worked with asbestos. The younger people are when they inhale asbestos, the more likely they are to develop mesothelioma. This is why enormous efforts are being made to prevent school children from being exposed."

Link (http://www.pp.okstate.edu/ehs/MODULES/Asbestos/asbharm.htm)

Mesothelioma is still pretty rare, BTW. About 200 cases are diagnosed in the US per year.

edited to add...thanks for the warnings anyway. You too, Bruce.

[ 02-01-2005, 02:31 PM: Message edited by: Donn ]

[Donn]

Evan...I know that I would be unlikely to see asbestos. That's why I put a little winkie-thingy next to the statement.

The plaster I'm removing looks like it was installed in the 50's or 60's, just judging by the condition of the copper it's encasing. Since it is being used to house an overhead heat source, it's unlikely that the DIY'er who did the work, mixed any insulating material into it. Rather than going through the process of testing, and having it professionally removed if it does have nasties in it, I opted to remove it myself. When I'm finished, there will be no more plaster in the house, so notifying a potential buyer won't be a question.

The only precautions I'm taking are eye protection, and coveralls. I use a powerful exhaust fan to take the dust out while I'm working, and keep the area well vac'd. I can't use a respirator, because they don't fit over my beard and cigar. ;)

On asbestos exposure. It's true that even the smallest amount poses a small threat. It's equally true, and more important, that increased and prolonged exposure poses a much greater threat.

"Three things seem to determine your likelihood of developing one of these asbestos related diseases:

The amount and duration of exposure - the more you are exposed to asbestos and the more fibers that enter your body, the more likely you are to develop asbestos related problems. While there is no "safe level" of asbestos exposure, people who are exposed more frequently over a long period of time are more at risk.

Whether or not you smoke - if you smoke and you have been exposed to asbestos, you are far more likely to develop lung cancer than someone who does not smoke and who has not been exposed to asbestos. If you work with asbestos or have been exposed to it, the first thing you should do to reduce your chances of developing cancer is to stop smoking.
Organizations that may offer programs, support, or information to help people stop smoking are:

OSU Wellness Center
National Cancer Institute (1-800-4-CANCER)
American Heart Association (1-800-242-8721)
American Lung Association (in Oklahoma: 405-524-8471)

Age - cases of mesothelioma have occurred in the children of asbestos workers whose only exposures were from the dust brought home on the clothing of family members who worked with asbestos. The younger people are when they inhale asbestos, the more likely they are to develop mesothelioma. This is why enormous efforts are being made to prevent school children from being exposed."

Link (http://www.pp.okstate.edu/ehs/MODULES/Asbestos/asbharm.htm)

Mesothelioma is still pretty rare, BTW. About 200 cases are diagnosed in the US per year.

edited to add...thanks for the warnings anyway. You too, Bruce.

[ 02-01-2005, 02:31 PM: Message edited by: Donn ]

[Donn]

Evan...I know that I would be unlikely to see asbestos. That's why I put a little winkie-thingy next to the statement.

The plaster I'm removing looks like it was installed in the 50's or 60's, just judging by the condition of the copper it's encasing. Since it is being used to house an overhead heat source, it's unlikely that the DIY'er who did the work, mixed any insulating material into it. Rather than going through the process of testing, and having it professionally removed if it does have nasties in it, I opted to remove it myself. When I'm finished, there will be no more plaster in the house, so notifying a potential buyer won't be a question.

The only precautions I'm taking are eye protection, and coveralls. I use a powerful exhaust fan to take the dust out while I'm working, and keep the area well vac'd. I can't use a respirator, because they don't fit over my beard and cigar. ;)

On asbestos exposure. It's true that even the smallest amount poses a small threat. It's equally true, and more important, that increased and prolonged exposure poses a much greater threat.

"Three things seem to determine your likelihood of developing one of these asbestos related diseases:

The amount and duration of exposure - the more you are exposed to asbestos and the more fibers that enter your body, the more likely you are to develop asbestos related problems. While there is no "safe level" of asbestos exposure, people who are exposed more frequently over a long period of time are more at risk.

Whether or not you smoke - if you smoke and you have been exposed to asbestos, you are far more likely to develop lung cancer than someone who does not smoke and who has not been exposed to asbestos. If you work with asbestos or have been exposed to it, the first thing you should do to reduce your chances of developing cancer is to stop smoking.
Organizations that may offer programs, support, or information to help people stop smoking are:

OSU Wellness Center
National Cancer Institute (1-800-4-CANCER)
American Heart Association (1-800-242-8721)
American Lung Association (in Oklahoma: 405-524-8471)

Age - cases of mesothelioma have occurred in the children of asbestos workers whose only exposures were from the dust brought home on the clothing of family members who worked with asbestos. The younger people are when they inhale asbestos, the more likely they are to develop mesothelioma. This is why enormous efforts are being made to prevent school children from being exposed."

Link (http://www.pp.okstate.edu/ehs/MODULES/Asbestos/asbharm.htm)

Mesothelioma is still pretty rare, BTW. About 200 cases are diagnosed in the US per year.

edited to add...thanks for the warnings anyway. You too, Bruce.

[ 02-01-2005, 02:31 PM: Message edited by: Donn ]

[Domesticated_Mr. Know It All]

"I can't use a respirator, because they don't fit over my beard and cigar."

Thats what nose hairs are for...right Donn? :D

[Domesticated_Mr. Know It All]

"I can't use a respirator, because they don't fit over my beard and cigar."

Thats what nose hairs are for...right Donn? :D

[Domesticated_Mr. Know It All]

"I can't use a respirator, because they don't fit over my beard and cigar."

Thats what nose hairs are for...right Donn? :D

[Victor]

That flyer is fun the first time, then you realize there's a reason that stuff is so cheap!

I did get something from them that to this day is one of the most fascinating things I've ever had. I forget what they called it but it was two mirrored bowls, with a hole in the top one. Any small object you placed in the bottom one floated. A truly holographic effect done with mirrors. I'd like to get another one.

[Victor]

That flyer is fun the first time, then you realize there's a reason that stuff is so cheap!

I did get something from them that to this day is one of the most fascinating things I've ever had. I forget what they called it but it was two mirrored bowls, with a hole in the top one. Any small object you placed in the bottom one floated. A truly holographic effect done with mirrors. I'd like to get another one.

[Victor]

That flyer is fun the first time, then you realize there's a reason that stuff is so cheap!

I did get something from them that to this day is one of the most fascinating things I've ever had. I forget what they called it but it was two mirrored bowls, with a hole in the top one. Any small object you placed in the bottom one floated. A truly holographic effect done with mirrors. I'd like to get another one.

[imported_Steven Bauer]

Still working on that ceiling? Yikes. I thought I was the only one who dragged these house projects out for years. smile.gif

Steven

[imported_Steven Bauer]

Still working on that ceiling? Yikes. I thought I was the only one who dragged these house projects out for years. smile.gif

Steven

[imported_Steven Bauer]

Still working on that ceiling? Yikes. I thought I was the only one who dragged these house projects out for years. smile.gif

Steven