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Paul Pless
07-20-2015, 06:30 AM
When the North Carolina-based Loyal White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan rallied at the steps of the South Carolina statehouse to protest the removal of the Confederate flag, one older protester was affected by the heat.

A photographer captured what happened next: Police Officer Leroy Smith, who is black, helped the protester, who was wearing a National Socialist movement T-shirt, up the stairs and out of the heat.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/sites/sbs.com.au.news/files/styles/full/public/20150719001157247580-original.jpg?itok=bZxE6ns2&mtime=1437340394

Ian McColgin
07-20-2015, 06:40 AM
Beautiful pic. Thank you Paul.

RichKrough
07-20-2015, 06:59 AM
Officer Smith has much more compassion and restraint than I, I would have maced that ignorant SOB and pushed him down the steps.

Keith Wilson
07-20-2015, 07:06 AM
I would have maced that ignorant SOB and pushed him down the steps.What he did is much more effective.

Hwyl
07-20-2015, 07:11 AM
What he did is much more effective.

I'm not so sure. I remember being taught that God created the black man to toil in the sun, because the white man was unsuited for that.

It's not too much of a stretch to confer those thoughts onto this racist.

Paul Pless
07-20-2015, 07:12 AM
I remember being taught that God created the black man to toil in the sun, because the white man was unsuited for that.When and where were you taught that?

seanz
07-20-2015, 07:13 AM
Police humanity! Police humanity!


:D

Paul Pless
07-20-2015, 07:14 AM
oh snap

The Bigfella
07-20-2015, 07:14 AM
When and where were you taught that?

... and what else did he learn?

Paul Pless
07-20-2015, 07:15 AM
... and what else did he learn?i know gareth well enough to know it wasn't a lesson that he took to heart; you do as well, that was an unnecessary dig

Hwyl
07-20-2015, 07:15 AM
When and where were you taught that?

Elementary school, in the late 50's.

RonW
07-20-2015, 07:18 AM
Officer Smith has much more compassion and restraint than I, I would have maced that ignorant SOB and pushed him down the steps.

Obviously the black officer and the one behind him who is prepared to assist, have a far better understanding of the first amendment as to freedom of speech and religion as well as understanding their duties as public servants who receive their pay from all taxpayers and are obliged to help and assist as needed then you do ..
Thank god you are not a cop, for you would be willing to be judge and executioner all rolled into one neat little prejudice package.

The Bigfella
07-20-2015, 07:18 AM
i know gareth well enough to know it wasn't a lesson that he took to heart; you do as well, that was an unnecessary dig

kqvxz :D

.... and unnecessary digs, well, let's not get into who built that mine

TomF
07-20-2015, 07:38 AM
What he did is much more effective.Yep. Doing kindness especially to those who hate you has been a "best practice" for a few millenia. Pretty much every religious tradition extant has a version.

Paul's usually cited calling for this stuff (Romans 12:20), but even there he was quoting the much older Proverbs 25:21-22. Personally I'm not sure that I really want the result of kindness to be like "heaping burning coals on their heads," but YMMV.

Katherine
07-20-2015, 07:57 AM
Kindness is colorblind

S.V. Airlie
07-20-2015, 07:59 AM
Kindness is colorblindRacism certainly isn't!

RonW
07-20-2015, 08:01 AM
Yep. Doing kindness especially to those who hate you has been a "best practice" for a few millenia. Pretty much every religious tradition extant has a version. .

The socialist left cracks me up, they play the high moral ground while all the while being pre-judgemental as if they know and understand, when they really don't.
Just like all the wrong krapt about the flag.

There was no kindness being shown, the officer was doing his duty, and if he can't do his duty without prejudice and racism being displayed then he should be removed from being a taxpayer paid public servant.

Now if he had as previously mentioned maced the guy and kicked him down the steps, then not only should he be fired, but also charged and prosecuted for felony assault.

S.V. Airlie
07-20-2015, 08:05 AM
So, you came back after you're "legislating" comment after being totally whopped! Guess I'm not surprised! Go on, jump head first into this thread RonW, you're on a roll!

seanz
07-20-2015, 08:06 AM
See, Rich? See how they feed on your anger?

S.V. Airlie
07-20-2015, 08:11 AM
There was no kindness being shown, the officer was doing his duty, and if he can't do his duty without prejudice and racism being displayed then he should be removed from being a taxpayer paid public servant.
So, there were no White cops there at the protest and, he had to help the guy because no white cops were there to do their duty?

RonW
07-20-2015, 08:34 AM
S.V.Arlie --
So, there were no White cops there at the protest and, he had to help the guy because no white cops were there to do their duty?

So Jamie thinks white cops help white people and black cops are there to help black people...........Now who is showing their racism ? The true racism of the left.

PhaseLockedLoop
07-20-2015, 08:40 AM
Confusion in the bilge!

TomF
07-20-2015, 08:41 AM
The socialist left cracks me up, they play the high moral ground while all the while being pre-judgemental as if they know and understand, when they really don't.
Just like all the wrong krapt about the flag.

There was no kindness being shown, the officer was doing his duty, and if he can't do his duty without prejudice and racism being displayed then he should be removed from being a taxpayer paid public servant.

Now if he had as previously mentioned maced the guy and kicked him down the steps, then not only should he be fired, but also charged and prosecuted for felony assault.

I'm sure that the officer could have fulfilled the minimal requirement of his duty, while doing as little as possible to care for the man's wellbeing. Work-to-rule passive-aggression isn't a firing offence.

The body language and facial expressions in the photo, which is all we really have to go on, suggests that something else happened. It "cracks me up" that you need to ascribe the same level of low moral ground to the officer as seems more appropriately tagged to the purpose of the demonstration itself.

Reynard38
07-20-2015, 08:42 AM
Officer Smith has much more compassion and restraint than I, I would have maced that ignorant SOB and pushed him down the steps.

I guess it's a good thing you aren't a cop.

S.V. Airlie
07-20-2015, 08:50 AM
S.V.Arlie --

So Jamie thinks white cops help white people and black cops are there to help black people...........Now who is showing their racism ? The true racism of the left.Apparently you do! You are saying the black cop is only doing his duty but, there were white cops at the protest, why weren't they doing their duty? He, a black cop, saw the protester was in distress, the others didn't. I also note the protester didn't refuse the cop's attention even though he was black! Funny thing about that!

Dan McCosh
07-20-2015, 08:50 AM
I'm not so sure. I remember being taught that God created the black man to toil in the sun, because the white man was unsuited for that.

It's not too much of a stretch to confer those thoughts onto this racist. Also in forge plants.

S.V. Airlie
07-20-2015, 08:51 AM
Confusion in the bilge!Maybe, as RonW thinks, the SC should "legislate" the situation.

Joe (SoCal)
07-20-2015, 08:51 AM
Hera ya go

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/fosterhere/FullSizeRender_zps71wdypms.jpg (http://s107.photobucket.com/user/fosterhere/media/FullSizeRender_zps71wdypms.jpg.html)

Someone wanna explain that "Southern Heritage" thing to me again ???

S.V. Airlie
07-20-2015, 09:00 AM
I appreciate my southern heritage but, I don't appreciate or like those aspects of my heritage that I can't agree with now! This is the 21st century not the 1860's.

Ct. didn't allow the Irish to vote in 1851. Now we have had Irish presidents (heritage) What would happen if in CT., the Irish still weren't allowed to vote?

John of Phoenix
07-20-2015, 09:37 AM
Just like all the wrong krapt about the flag.Yeah, what happened to that nifty avatar you had of the stars and bars? Why'd you take down your flag?

Katherine
07-20-2015, 09:56 AM
RonW seems like a very angry, unhappy person!

John of Phoenix
07-20-2015, 10:05 AM
I want to see breitbart's, murdoch's, etc., take on that picture. I wonder if it will be about compassion.
When the North Carolina-based Loyal White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan rallied at the steps of the South Carolina statehouse to protest the removal of the Confederate flag, one older protester was affected by the heat.

A photographer captured what happened next: Police Officer Leroy Smith, who is black, helped the protester, who was wearing a National Socialist movement T-shirt, up the stairs and out of the heat.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/sites/sbs.com.au.news/files/styles/full/public/20150719001157247580-original.jpg?itok=bZxE6ns2&mtime=1437340394

Paul Pless
07-20-2015, 10:20 AM
RonW seems like a very angry, unhappy person!jaft

S.V. Airlie
07-20-2015, 11:44 AM
Yeah, what happened to that nifty avatar you had of the stars and bars? Why'd you take down your flag?That and why did you erase your profile RonW where you discussed your interests? Wasn't most up it about disrupting the bilge? Seems like it's more than an occupation with you, it's your entire being!Oh, I get it, you didn't want to share your profile I posted several times in the bilge! Too close to the truth regarding your objectives here!

Osborne Russell
07-20-2015, 12:42 PM
You can tell the guy isn't being arrested because he isn't in a choke hold with his face pushed into the sidewalk, like the guy with the cigarettes.

bobbys
07-20-2015, 01:05 PM
Last month.... Police bad for liberals.

found a picture they like this week ......police good for liberals

S.V. Airlie
07-20-2015, 01:12 PM
Last month.... Police bad for liberals.

found a picture they like this week ......police good for liberalsI don't categorize, or place all police in bobbys single egg basket.

seanz
07-20-2015, 05:36 PM
Bringing up the rear...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs4P1kKK-5k

S.V. Airlie
07-20-2015, 05:54 PM
Probably heading for the beer trucks!:)

bamamick
07-20-2015, 05:54 PM
A quote from that wonderful human being, Forrest Gump! (in Sean's video clip)

That trooper was doing what he was trained to do, and not just by helping the old guy into the shade. No doubt that he could have cracked a few skulls if it came to that, but he was not there to do that. He was there to keep people cool and out of mischief. My grandfather retired as an Alabama State Trooper. Interesting job. They are essentially the private police force of the governor, and during emergencies can be activated as a paramilitary unit. No doubt South Carolina trains their officers just as well.

I admire people who show great restraint when it's necessary, but are still able to know when to act aggressively to head off something that could get out of hand.

Mickey Lake

S.V. Airlie
07-20-2015, 06:01 PM
A quote from that wonderful human being, Forrest Gump! (in Sean's video clip)

That trooper was doing what he was trained to do, and not just by helping the old guy into the shade. No doubt that he could have cracked a few skulls if it came to that, but he was not there to do that. He was there to keep people cool and out of mischief. My grandfather retired as an Alabama State Trooper. Interesting job. They are essentially the private police force of the governor, and during emergencies can be activated as a paramilitary unit. No doubt South Carolina trains their officers just as well.

I admire people who show great restraint when it's necessary, but are still able to know when to act aggressively to head off something that could get out of hand.

Mickey LakeAnd the other officers including the white officers aren't trained to do their duty! Any one of them could have stepped up and helped the protester but, only one and he was black. Hard for me to think other cops didn't see it if they're watching the parade at all. Otherwise, I agree with the rest Mickey!

PeterSibley
07-20-2015, 06:04 PM
RonW seems like a very angry, unhappy person!

He's a good little hater.

CWSmith
07-20-2015, 06:37 PM
The officer is a credit to his occupation and his race. I admire him.

S.V. Airlie
07-20-2015, 07:03 PM
The officer is a credit to his occupation and his race. I admire him.I do too! The KKK protester should at least thank him!

Rich Jones
07-20-2015, 08:56 PM
I feel sorry for that poor KKK member.... he's never going to live down that photo. His racist buddies will be ragging on him for years!:)

RichKrough
07-20-2015, 09:07 PM
Obviously the black officer and the one behind him who is prepared to assist, have a far better understanding of the first amendment as to freedom of speech and religion as well as understanding their duties as public servants who receive their pay from all taxpayers and are obliged to help and assist as needed then you do ..
Thank god you are not a cop, for you would be willing to be judge and executioner all rolled into one neat little prejudice package.

That's right Sport, when it comes to KKK or their supporters and sympathizers I am very prejudiced. I grew up with 4 of those heathens in my extended family, went to school with a couple of more. I got the crap beat out of me by 2 of them at a Waffle House in 1978( they don't like long hairs either). I still savor the memory of kicking the sh** out of one who was "recruiting" on a job-site where I worked in 1984. He talked like a big man but he cried like a little girl.

bamamick
07-21-2015, 07:50 AM
Jamie, being fair we don't know that no one else tried to help the old codger.

Living where I do, one of my first thoughts when looking at Sean's video was sadly, not how much I despise those people for their ideology. It was how truly stupid they were for choosing to wear black clothing in the heat we have going on right now. I am surprised they didn't all fall out instead of just that one old guy.

Mickey Lake

S.V. Airlie
07-21-2015, 08:01 AM
True Mickey but, I suspect.

Upshur
07-21-2015, 09:49 AM
so my question is...is racism gaining ground in its' own weird way? I mean I don't consider myself a racist but all these recent events makes me feel a little stranger around black people...like uncomfortable about everything thats going on. It's not cool. I don't like people that push their political , religious or racist ways on me . I just want to live and be on the water. I probably said this all wrong.

TomF
07-21-2015, 12:47 PM
I think racism isn't gaining ground - it just isn't gone. We'd like to believe race was more irrelevant than it still is, but facts get in the way. On the one hand, I figure it would have been unthinkable till fairly recently that someone of Obama's parentage would be elected President. On the other hand, all the stats about a disparity in life chances between groups still are what they are - what varies is the interpretation of them.

That disparity contributes to one of the modern versions of racism - the notion that the reason the disparity exists is mostly because certain groups won't take responsibility and do the "heavy lifting" required to rise. In Canada, the group tagged with that label is often First Nations; in America, often blacks. This view leaves open the causal reasons - not necessarily a race's "genetic fitness" (old-school racism); perhaps instead the lagging is the result of some form of socialization or constructed norms. Which if possible is worse, because the gap represents a failure of will, not a failure of capacity. That's a cardinal sin, in our societies.

And odious as it is, there's something to that thinking ... in that in Canada, the people who'll have the most telling impact on First Nations' chances ... are First Nations people themselves. They're the ones who'll have to navigate a way through a centuries-old legacy of institutional oppression ... and address their own substance abuse, violence, and crime problems. The same is true in America's cases. That isn't necessarily fair, but I think it's true.

White guys like me would do well to remember that members of those communities aren't starting where I did ... and will have tougher personal battles to face to get to the same place. As an analogy, it was cool but not a big achievement for me to squat #315 - it took maybe 4 months of training. It was a much bigger deal for my son (who weighed about #60 less than me), let alone for someone else who'd previously been crippled by a car accident. That the same level of effort - or even much more - may easily achieve something I'd superficially dismiss as "less."

Osborne Russell
07-21-2015, 05:34 PM
so my question is...is racism gaining ground in its' own weird way?

Yes. Homo sapiens is a communal species. There's an instinctive need for identity. Identity fosters cooperation.

Ironically as cooperation extends, the identity is harder to maintain. Some guy in China breathes smog and lives in a cracker box, what do I care? I just want a computer.
But all these Asians all over the place in my country . . .

Racism gives a sense of identity to the mind that is very hungry but lazy. "They" are obviously, visually, undeniably different.

An identity based on that may not only be difficult to maintain, but counter-productive. Doesn't matter for people in whom the need for identity dominates. Even a stupid identity is better than none.

Capitalism smashes identities. Many people feel race is the one thing capitalism can't obliterate. So racism grows.

Peerie Maa
07-21-2015, 05:49 PM
Yes. Homo sapiens is a communal species. There's an instinctive need for identity. Identity fosters cooperation.

Ironically as cooperation extends, the identity is harder to maintain. Some guy in China breathes smog and lives in a cracker box, what do I care? I just want a computer.
But all these Asians all over the place in my country . . .

Racism gives a sense of identity to the mind that is very hungry but lazy. "They" are obviously, visually, undeniably different.

An identity based on that may not only be difficult to maintain, but counter-productive. Doesn't matter for people in whom the need for identity dominates. Even a stupid identity is better than none.

Capitalism smashes identities. Many people feel race is the one thing capitalism can't obliterate. So racism grows.

I agree with most of that, except your view that capitalism is to blame. I think that racism exists whether the society is capitalist or not. Capitalisms' failure - poverty - causes racism to crawl out from under the stone. The frustration of entitlement, or just frustration due to failure leads to a need for there being a "them" to blame other than oneself.

Then again some people, like my aged aunt, are racist because they were bought up that way and no one has ever pointed out that they are wrong and why.

ShagRock
07-21-2015, 05:52 PM
White guys like me would do well to remember that members of those communities aren't starting where I did ...

Methinks, you might re-consider that philosophy. Sounds more like an 18th century bias.

Osborne Russell
07-21-2015, 05:58 PM
Yeah, racism exists with or without capitalism. Capitalism however has the effect of smashing identities, which makes racism more attractive to the lazy mind. As with religious chauvinism. Capitalism creates a larger void which something must fill.

As for frustration, a vital part of capitalism is to create it. I want, I work, I buy, I'm not satisfied. Look at all the stuff they show me! I don't have near all the stuff I want, and at this rate, I never will! Something or somebody is responsible!

ShagRock
07-21-2015, 06:05 PM
As for frustration, a vital part of capitalism is to create it. I want, I work, I buy, I'm not satisfied. Look at all the stuff they show me! I don't have near all the stuff I want, and at this rate, I never will! Something or somebody is responsible!

Most likely, you are.

Peerie Maa
07-21-2015, 06:17 PM
Yeah, racism exists with or without capitalism. Capitalism however has the effect of smashing identities, which makes racism more attractive to the lazy mind. As with religious chauvinism. Capitalism creates a larger void which something must fill.

As for frustration, a vital part of capitalism is to create it. I want, I work, I buy, I'm not satisfied. Look at all the stuff they show me! I don't have near all the stuff I want, and at this rate, I never will! Something or somebody is responsible!

If the system is working and every bodies needs are met, then there is no need for frustration. Capitalism is boom and bust, in the boom years when everyone is doing well where is the frustration? However when capitalism fails during the bust part of the cycle, then there is frustration. It is not capitalism, racism exists in other systems as well when there is a failure to meet peoples needs or expectations.

Not that I think capitalisms is good, and I abhor laissez faire capitalism, but it is human nature and nothing else we have devised works better now that we have abandoned the hunter gatherer small tribal bands system.