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Malcolm Henry
08-14-2003, 05:54 PM
Anyone have any experience of these?

They are bronze with the handle mounted below the drum, which I assume are worked with a reciprocating action.

I think they're made in New Zealand - any Kiwi's out there with an opinion?

Malcolm Henry
08-14-2003, 05:54 PM
Anyone have any experience of these?

They are bronze with the handle mounted below the drum, which I assume are worked with a reciprocating action.

I think they're made in New Zealand - any Kiwi's out there with an opinion?

Malcolm Henry
08-14-2003, 05:54 PM
Anyone have any experience of these?

They are bronze with the handle mounted below the drum, which I assume are worked with a reciprocating action.

I think they're made in New Zealand - any Kiwi's out there with an opinion?

Paul Scheuer
08-14-2003, 07:34 PM
This stuff came from Sweeden in the fifties. Can't find any names on any of it. The bottom action winches always seemed to make sense, but I understand that there are hundreds of handles at the bottom all over the world. The handles are removable and snap in from either side. A small spring pin holds them in place.

The ratchet action is two sets of three vertical, spring loaded pins.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid29/p3a040bfe247ab8cd5ba890bd7f20eed7/fd61462e.jpg

Paul Scheuer
08-14-2003, 07:34 PM
This stuff came from Sweeden in the fifties. Can't find any names on any of it. The bottom action winches always seemed to make sense, but I understand that there are hundreds of handles at the bottom all over the world. The handles are removable and snap in from either side. A small spring pin holds them in place.

The ratchet action is two sets of three vertical, spring loaded pins.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid29/p3a040bfe247ab8cd5ba890bd7f20eed7/fd61462e.jpg

Paul Scheuer
08-14-2003, 07:34 PM
This stuff came from Sweeden in the fifties. Can't find any names on any of it. The bottom action winches always seemed to make sense, but I understand that there are hundreds of handles at the bottom all over the world. The handles are removable and snap in from either side. A small spring pin holds them in place.

The ratchet action is two sets of three vertical, spring loaded pins.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid29/p3a040bfe247ab8cd5ba890bd7f20eed7/fd61462e.jpg

Lion
08-14-2003, 07:46 PM
Malcom

Great winch for smaller and traditional boats. Fetch serious dollars on the used market here. Still being made and available in the UK thru www.classicmarine.co.uk (http://www.classicmarine.co.uk) .

BTW are you the guy building that fabulous boat out of larch with the interesting sail and keel design ?

Lion

Lion
08-14-2003, 07:46 PM
Malcom

Great winch for smaller and traditional boats. Fetch serious dollars on the used market here. Still being made and available in the UK thru www.classicmarine.co.uk (http://www.classicmarine.co.uk) .

BTW are you the guy building that fabulous boat out of larch with the interesting sail and keel design ?

Lion

Lion
08-14-2003, 07:46 PM
Malcom

Great winch for smaller and traditional boats. Fetch serious dollars on the used market here. Still being made and available in the UK thru www.classicmarine.co.uk (http://www.classicmarine.co.uk) .

BTW are you the guy building that fabulous boat out of larch with the interesting sail and keel design ?

Lion

cdragon
08-15-2003, 12:38 PM
Murray winches are nice-they look great and work well and are available fairly reasonably-my only commet is that the base, where the handle inserts, rotates freely and can often foul your sheet when hauling fast and hard

cdragon
08-15-2003, 12:38 PM
Murray winches are nice-they look great and work well and are available fairly reasonably-my only commet is that the base, where the handle inserts, rotates freely and can often foul your sheet when hauling fast and hard

cdragon
08-15-2003, 12:38 PM
Murray winches are nice-they look great and work well and are available fairly reasonably-my only commet is that the base, where the handle inserts, rotates freely and can often foul your sheet when hauling fast and hard

Zane Lewis
08-16-2003, 06:38 AM
Yes made here in NZ. A good solid winch. We have 4 in the cockpit with the top cleat on them and a small murray minor as a reefing line winch on the boom.
They have 4 to 8 spring loaded dogs that provide the ratch system. You should be carefull if disassembling them on the boat as sometime the springs and dogs can jump out. I have read that you should strip them from time to time as the dogs can get sticky and you run the risk of having the winch jump. Still its over 6 years since ours where last apart.

The bottom handel does make loading the winch much faster and easier but you do need to take care that the rope lead won't foul the handle socket.
Our line run is a little low and if I am pulling a lot of rope through without the handle in place the handle socket will spin around over top of the rope.

You can get a rope guide which attaches to the base that stops the fouling. While I have not used them I am told that they do add a lot of friction when pulling the rope though by hand. ie they are more trouble than they are worth.

Cheer's
Zane

Zane Lewis
08-16-2003, 06:38 AM
Yes made here in NZ. A good solid winch. We have 4 in the cockpit with the top cleat on them and a small murray minor as a reefing line winch on the boom.
They have 4 to 8 spring loaded dogs that provide the ratch system. You should be carefull if disassembling them on the boat as sometime the springs and dogs can jump out. I have read that you should strip them from time to time as the dogs can get sticky and you run the risk of having the winch jump. Still its over 6 years since ours where last apart.

The bottom handel does make loading the winch much faster and easier but you do need to take care that the rope lead won't foul the handle socket.
Our line run is a little low and if I am pulling a lot of rope through without the handle in place the handle socket will spin around over top of the rope.

You can get a rope guide which attaches to the base that stops the fouling. While I have not used them I am told that they do add a lot of friction when pulling the rope though by hand. ie they are more trouble than they are worth.

Cheer's
Zane

Zane Lewis
08-16-2003, 06:38 AM
Yes made here in NZ. A good solid winch. We have 4 in the cockpit with the top cleat on them and a small murray minor as a reefing line winch on the boom.
They have 4 to 8 spring loaded dogs that provide the ratch system. You should be carefull if disassembling them on the boat as sometime the springs and dogs can jump out. I have read that you should strip them from time to time as the dogs can get sticky and you run the risk of having the winch jump. Still its over 6 years since ours where last apart.

The bottom handel does make loading the winch much faster and easier but you do need to take care that the rope lead won't foul the handle socket.
Our line run is a little low and if I am pulling a lot of rope through without the handle in place the handle socket will spin around over top of the rope.

You can get a rope guide which attaches to the base that stops the fouling. While I have not used them I am told that they do add a lot of friction when pulling the rope though by hand. ie they are more trouble than they are worth.

Cheer's
Zane

Malcolm Henry
08-18-2003, 05:43 PM
Thanks to all. I've had similar comments on another forum and am persuaded to give them a try.

Malcolm Henry
08-18-2003, 05:43 PM
Thanks to all. I've had similar comments on another forum and am persuaded to give them a try.

Malcolm Henry
08-18-2003, 05:43 PM
Thanks to all. I've had similar comments on another forum and am persuaded to give them a try.

Malcolm Henry
08-18-2003, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by Lion:
BTW are you the guy building that fabulous boat out of larch with the interesting sail and keel design ?
Possibly. You can see a very out of date set of photos here www.qei.co.uk/spark. (http://www.qei.co.uk/spark.) The boat is more or less finished but we've still got a lot of work to do on the rig and electric drive system. I'll get around to updating the website sometime (this year?)

Malcolm Henry
08-18-2003, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by Lion:
BTW are you the guy building that fabulous boat out of larch with the interesting sail and keel design ?
Possibly. You can see a very out of date set of photos here www.qei.co.uk/spark. (http://www.qei.co.uk/spark.) The boat is more or less finished but we've still got a lot of work to do on the rig and electric drive system. I'll get around to updating the website sometime (this year?)

Malcolm Henry
08-18-2003, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by Lion:
BTW are you the guy building that fabulous boat out of larch with the interesting sail and keel design ?
Possibly. You can see a very out of date set of photos here www.qei.co.uk/spark. (http://www.qei.co.uk/spark.) The boat is more or less finished but we've still got a lot of work to do on the rig and electric drive system. I'll get around to updating the website sometime (this year?)

Lion
08-18-2003, 08:27 PM
Malcolm

Could not get the file up; can get your home page but seemingly no portal to Spark.

Lion

[ 08-18-2003, 08:29 PM: Message edited by: Lion ]

Lion
08-18-2003, 08:27 PM
Malcolm

Could not get the file up; can get your home page but seemingly no portal to Spark.

Lion

[ 08-18-2003, 08:29 PM: Message edited by: Lion ]

Lion
08-18-2003, 08:27 PM
Malcolm

Could not get the file up; can get your home page but seemingly no portal to Spark.

Lion

[ 08-18-2003, 08:29 PM: Message edited by: Lion ]

John B
08-18-2003, 08:36 PM
I love em. Theres ummmm, 9 on my boat.
Beautifully made things. I buy them second hand usually and they are as good as new mechanically.
The trick with the handle is to make a stop so the handle can't revolve right around and cause a "handle over ride" on the sheet when you're retrieving. Once you have that, no problemo.
Fantastic halyard winches too.

John B
08-18-2003, 08:36 PM
I love em. Theres ummmm, 9 on my boat.
Beautifully made things. I buy them second hand usually and they are as good as new mechanically.
The trick with the handle is to make a stop so the handle can't revolve right around and cause a "handle over ride" on the sheet when you're retrieving. Once you have that, no problemo.
Fantastic halyard winches too.

John B
08-18-2003, 08:36 PM
I love em. Theres ummmm, 9 on my boat.
Beautifully made things. I buy them second hand usually and they are as good as new mechanically.
The trick with the handle is to make a stop so the handle can't revolve right around and cause a "handle over ride" on the sheet when you're retrieving. Once you have that, no problemo.
Fantastic halyard winches too.

Malcolm Henry
08-21-2003, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by Lion:
Malcolm

Could not get the file up; can get your home page but seemingly no portal to Spark.

LionI think the full stop is the problem - try this one: http://www.qei.co.uk/spark/

Malcolm Henry
08-21-2003, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by Lion:
Malcolm

Could not get the file up; can get your home page but seemingly no portal to Spark.

LionI think the full stop is the problem - try this one: http://www.qei.co.uk/spark/

Malcolm Henry
08-21-2003, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by Lion:
Malcolm

Could not get the file up; can get your home page but seemingly no portal to Spark.

LionI think the full stop is the problem - try this one: http://www.qei.co.uk/spark/

John B
08-21-2003, 04:58 PM
Spark reminds me of Varangian, Malcolm. Ever heard of her? she sailed out from your way in the 60's sometime. Came here to ENZED. A bit bigger but of the same general hull form/type.

John B
08-21-2003, 04:58 PM
Spark reminds me of Varangian, Malcolm. Ever heard of her? she sailed out from your way in the 60's sometime. Came here to ENZED. A bit bigger but of the same general hull form/type.

John B
08-21-2003, 04:58 PM
Spark reminds me of Varangian, Malcolm. Ever heard of her? she sailed out from your way in the 60's sometime. Came here to ENZED. A bit bigger but of the same general hull form/type.

Lion
08-21-2003, 08:48 PM
Malcolm

What a lovely boat ! The sweet lines accentuated by the clinker planking are a joy to behold. How long to launch ?

Lion

Lion
08-21-2003, 08:48 PM
Malcolm

What a lovely boat ! The sweet lines accentuated by the clinker planking are a joy to behold. How long to launch ?

Lion

John B
08-21-2003, 08:48 PM
Varangian. actually I think she was BUILT in the 60's.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid34/p929ce7aed9a9d6f1c7e5d7b1f9702b64/fd322bd9.jpg
Shetlands I believe. A development of the Sixareen type? sound right?
The guy had an interesting journey sailing out here. It was the year of the big Fastnet bomb. He'd left just a bit before the race and headed south. he was in the bay of biscay when it went through and wiped out the race fleet. Just missed him as it went through to the north of him.
When was that race? anyway, that's when she came here.

[ 08-21-2003, 08:53 PM: Message edited by: John B ]

John B
08-21-2003, 08:48 PM
Varangian. actually I think she was BUILT in the 60's.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid34/p929ce7aed9a9d6f1c7e5d7b1f9702b64/fd322bd9.jpg
Shetlands I believe. A development of the Sixareen type? sound right?
The guy had an interesting journey sailing out here. It was the year of the big Fastnet bomb. He'd left just a bit before the race and headed south. he was in the bay of biscay when it went through and wiped out the race fleet. Just missed him as it went through to the north of him.
When was that race? anyway, that's when she came here.

[ 08-21-2003, 08:53 PM: Message edited by: John B ]

Lion
08-21-2003, 08:48 PM
Malcolm

What a lovely boat ! The sweet lines accentuated by the clinker planking are a joy to behold. How long to launch ?

Lion

John B
08-21-2003, 08:48 PM
Varangian. actually I think she was BUILT in the 60's.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid34/p929ce7aed9a9d6f1c7e5d7b1f9702b64/fd322bd9.jpg
Shetlands I believe. A development of the Sixareen type? sound right?
The guy had an interesting journey sailing out here. It was the year of the big Fastnet bomb. He'd left just a bit before the race and headed south. he was in the bay of biscay when it went through and wiped out the race fleet. Just missed him as it went through to the north of him.
When was that race? anyway, that's when she came here.

[ 08-21-2003, 08:53 PM: Message edited by: John B ]