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woodpile
06-09-2015, 11:19 AM
ISIS vs. ISIL....why?!











The Sinister Difference Between ISIS and ISIL

Here is an explanation of the difference between the terms ISIS and ISIL. I have been suspicious of the term ISIL which the administration stubbornly clings to.

ISIS = Islamic State of Iraq and Syria . Iraq is to the east of Jordan (shaped like the hatchet) and Syria is to the north.

ISIL - Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant . Iraq is still to the east of Jordan, and “the Levant” is a term that comes from “the rising (of the sun, i.e., to the east)” –
and is basically the land along the Mediterranean - that includes Lebanon , Israel , and those countries along there.

By saying ISIL, you “negate” Israel as its own country and lump it in with the rest of the countries along the Mediterranean –
and Israel sort of disappears (loses its sovereignty) and becomes part of “the Levant ” - which is therefore part of ISIL.

If you've wondered, as I have, why all government agencies and especially BHO calls it ISIL and even spells it out every time it's used, instead of ISIS as the rest of the world here's the answer.

Decoding Obama’s speech reveals some startling revelations.

In one press conference after another, when referring to the Muslim terror super-group ISIS, United States President Barack Obama will use the term ISIL, instead of their former name ISIS, or current name Islamic State.

Have you ever wondered about that?

Here is the difference.

What makes up the near exact center of the Muslim Levant? Israel .
ISIL stands for the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant.
Now, to us Westerners we don’t really make much of a distinction, do we?
No, honestly from our perspective it’s all about the same.
But how would a Muslim living in the Middle East view it?

Just what is the Levant anyway? Let’s take a look.
The geographical term LEVANT refers to a multi-nation region in the Middle East.
It’s a land bridge between Turkey to the north and Egypt to the south.
If you look on a map, however, in the near exact middle of the nations that comprise the Levant , guess what you see? Come on, guess!
It’s Israel.


When Barack Obama refers over and over to the Islamic State as ISIL, he is sending a message to Muslims all over the Middle East, that he personally does not recognize Israel as a sovereign nation, but as territory belonging to the Islamic State.
Now you know why Obama says that he has no plan, no goal, and no stated aim for dealing with ISIS.
But he does have a plan, and it’s a really nasty, diabolical one.

Obama’s plan is to drag his feet for as long as he can, doing only the bare minimum that Congress forces him to do.
His plan to buy ISIS as much time as possible to make as many gains as they can.
Listen as Obama and his press secretary and the spokesperson for the State Department and his Joint Chiefs of Staff painstakingly spells out the letters I-S-I-L so there is no doubt in your mind:

And it’s working.

The Islamic State has garnered millions of dollars, a vast cache of weapons, and in their latest foray have captured Syrian fighter jets and now 12 commercial passenger planes.
With each passing day that Obama fulfills his stated aim of doing nothing, the Islamic State grows by leaps and bounds.

The ultimate goal, of course, has not changed and will never change.
The ultimate goal is the destruction of Israel .

Now you know a little bit more about why Obama chooses his words so carefully.



And for you fact checkers out there, yes it's a copy/paste and no, It is not vetted, however, interesting and makes sense.

LeeG
06-09-2015, 11:31 AM
Except their name is DAESH


Your c&p is bs


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-vs-islamic-state-vs-isil-vs-daesh-what-do-the-different-names-mean-9750629.html

The British and US Governments are among those using the acronym Isil, while the name Isis is more commonly seen.

Norman Bernstein
06-09-2015, 11:33 AM
IAnd for you fact checkers out there, yes it's a copy/paste and no, It is not vetted, however, interesting and makes sense.

Only if you're the type to sift through crumbs and scraps, trying to gather just about ANYTHING that could be used to put some sort of sinister cast onto Obama's words. Yes, if you're THAT desperate, it 'makes sense'... but, of course, has utterly NO proof or evidence to back it up, aside from some partisan motivation.

Jim Bow
06-09-2015, 11:36 AM
Actually, the names come from two possible translations of what the group calls itself.

Once again, much RW ado about nothing.

David G
06-09-2015, 11:43 AM
Actually, the names come from two possible translations of what the group calls itself.

Once again, much RW ado about nothing.

Sorry to have to correct you...

but that would be -- much RW whackado about nothing.

BrianY
06-09-2015, 12:04 PM
Since we're playing the "let's make up $hit based on incomlpete information game", let me offer a different interpretation:

Obama and Co. are using the term "ISIL" specifically because it includes a direct reference to Israel and it therefore points out that the group threatens not only "Arab" or "Muslim" countries which a lot of Americans really don't care about, but that they also directly threaten Israel - a country that a lot of Americans DO care about. Seen in this light, it is a way to make Americans care more about the issue than they might otherwise.

As you say, this view is not vetted, but it is interesting and given the information presented, makes sense. Not so sinister now, though...

Norman Bernstein
06-09-2015, 12:50 PM
When Barack Obama refers over and over to the Islamic State as ISIL, he is sending a message to Muslims all over the Middle East, that he personally does not recognize Israel as a sovereign nation, but as territory belonging to the Islamic State.So, you actually believe that Obama doesn't recognize Israel, do ya?



Obama’s plan is to drag his feet for as long as he can, doing only the bare minimum that Congress forces him to do.
His plan to buy ISIS as much time as possible to make as many gains as they can.

Here we go again... Obama is a Machiavellian closet Muslim who hates America.... is that it?


With each passing day that Obama fulfills his stated aim of doing nothing, the Islamic State grows by leaps and bounds.

He STATED this aim? When and where?

LeeG
06-09-2015, 01:00 PM
Norman isn't it obvious that Obama wants ISIL to win? bobbys has said something similar wrt liberals and Democrats being on the side of the terrorists.

Keith Wilson
06-09-2015, 01:03 PM
Here we go again!

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--uVWGS-3H--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/18n1naabx8gp9jpg.jpg

skuthorp
06-09-2015, 04:54 PM
Since we're playing the "let's make up $hit based on incomlpete information game", let me offer a different interpretation:

Obama and Co. are using the term "ISIL" specifically because it includes a direct reference to Israel and it therefore points out that the group threatens not only "Arab" or "Muslim" countries which a lot of Americans really don't care about, but that they also directly threaten Israel - a country that a lot of Americans DO care about. Seen in this light, it is a way to make Americans care more about the issue than they might otherwise.

As you say, this view is not vetted, but it is interesting and given the information presented, makes sense. Not so sinister now, though...

Israel is the elephant in the room, and no one really want's to state it openly lest the Israelis use their ultimate sanction. However using nukes against an idea and against a Muslim group is unlikely to do much other them mess their own nest in the long run.

Reynard38
06-09-2015, 05:04 PM
So?
I really no longer give a flying ferdmerkle about the ME, Levant, Palistine, Holy Land or whatever moniker they give it.
It's a $hitbox. Let 'me blast each other to tiny bits while we sit back and watch the show.

PeterSibley
06-09-2015, 05:08 PM
Israel is the elephant in the room, and no one really want's to state it openly lest the Israelis use their ultimate sanction. However using nukes against an idea and against a Muslim group is unlikely to do much other them mess their own nest in the long run.

Syria is much, much too close for nucs. Israel will b very worried about now.

LeeG
06-09-2015, 05:16 PM
So?
I really no longer give a flying ferdmerkle about the ME, Levant, Palistine, Holy Land or whatever moniker they give it.
It's a $hitbox. Let 'me blast each other to tiny bits while we sit back and watch the show.

Ok! Let's stop subsidizing US arms manufacturers with military aid to Israel and Egypt, no more bunker buster sales to Saudi Arabia, let's concentrate on securing our economy, ecosystem and help Mexico instead.

Peerie Maa
06-09-2015, 05:16 PM
woodpile, do you hold the view that the US should get involved as this seems to posit
Obama’s plan is to drag his feet for as long as he can, doing only the bare minimum that Congress forces him to do.
His plan to buy ISIS as much time as possible to make as many gains as they can.

Or do you think that based on past experience the US should not get closely involved?

Reynard38
06-09-2015, 05:18 PM
Ok! Let's stop subsidizing US arms manufacturers with military aid to Israel and Egypt, no more bunker buster sales to Saudi Arabia, let's concentrate on securing our economy, ecosystem and help Mexico instead.

I like it.

PeterSibley
06-09-2015, 05:22 PM
Yep, get ready for the coming war with China in the South China Sea .:(

skuthorp
06-09-2015, 06:00 PM
Iraq is not a part of, or a colony of the USA. What plan do you suggest?