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George Jung
06-08-2015, 12:51 PM
http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/journalstar.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/5/5b/55bbf22c-621e-5c6e-ac5f-b59285c9bfc8/55720a8eca4e3.image.jpg?resize=300%2C230

http://www.nytimes.com/times-insider/2015/06/05/disney-layoffs-and-immigrant-replacements-draw-deluge-of-comments/

Garret
06-08-2015, 12:54 PM
Pretty despicable, ain't it?

The H-1B visas are fine, when used properly - but the feds seem to not be enforcing the "when citizens are not able/available to do the job" portion.

S.V. Airlie
06-08-2015, 01:01 PM
It's not just Disney!

Legal Mexican migrant workers sponsored through a federal guest worker program in Kentucky tobacco fields were housed in squalid conditions, paid less than the guaranteed wage, and prevented from leaving, three recent lawsuits (http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2015/05/29/lawsuits-allege-migrant-workers-exploited/28174377/) allege.
Under the federal H-2 visa program (http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2015/05/21/3661672/temporary-guest-worker-program-paid-undoc/), temporary legal workers are sponsored to to do lesser-skilled jobs in the United States. H-2A visas, generally reserved for agricultural work, are valid for one year; H-2B visas, generally used for low-skilled or seasonal work, are valid for ten months, with the chance to extend visa renewals up to three years. H-2 visa holders are considered non-immigrants and cannot be put on a pathway to citizenship. Though they can legally work in the country, they’re dependent on employers to keep their visas valid.
The lawsuits allege that Kentucky employers abused the federal H-2A visa program, luring Mexican farm workers to work in their tobacco fields with promises of adequate housing and good pay that never materialized.



Between 2013 and 2015, guest workers at the farms where the exploitation reportedly took place were paid less than the the current federal minimum wage of $7.25, even though the H-2A visa program requires for employers to set a base wage according to state regulations. In Kentucky, the rate was $9.80 per hour in 2013, going up to $10.10 this year.
Another lawsuit indicated that workers were charged “$2,000 for their visas, $80 per month in rent and $180 for the cost of their transportation from Mexico to Kentucky,” according to Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/29/lawsuits-allege-abuse-temporary-farm-workers-in-kentucky-tobacco-country/). However, the Department of Labor requires employers (http://www.dol.gov/whd/ag/ag_h-2a.htm) to cover the cost of travel, visas, and any associated costs of transportation from the housing to the job site. The DOL also requires workers to receive “an offer of employment for a total number of hours equal to at least 75 percent of the work period specified in the contract.”
Other abuses alleged in the lawsuit include instances of farmers taking away workers’ passports and threatening them with arrest or deportation by immigration authorities. One suit alleged that “workers lived in rat-infested housing that had leaking sewage due to improperly maintained toilets. The house also lacked sufficient ventilation and heating,” Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/29/lawsuits-allege-abuse-temporary-farm-workers-in-kentucky-tobacco-country/) reported.
The plaintiffs in the case consisted of 39 Mexican guest workers who were sponsored under the federal H-2A visa program. The defendants in the lawsuits include five Kentucky tobacco farms located in Scott, Monroe, and Nicholas counties.
Kentucky tobacco farms have some history with mistreating guest workers. Earlier this month, another Kentucky tobacco farm had to pay over $28,000 (http://www.law360.com/articles/655437/tobacco-farm-settles-claims-it-stiffed-guest-workers) to settle back wages and civil penalties to 21 Mexican H-2A workers. Those workers alleged that the farm didn’t pay required rates and didn’t reimburse them “for gas used to travel to and from the worksite,” Law 360 (http://www.law360.com/articles/655437/tobacco-farm-settles-claims-it-stiffed-guest-workers) reported. The publication also reported that the farm failed to provide workers “with adequate water supplies, toilets and hand-washing facilities, which federal laws dictate must be within a quarter-mile from the work site.” And last year, a Kentucky tobacco farm was fined $3,500 “for serious worker health and safety violations” after the Southern Poverty Law Center (http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/kentucky-tobacco-farm-fined-after-splc-files-safety-complaint-on-behalf-of-guest-w) alleged that “the company failed to protect employees hanging tobacco at heights as high as 30 feet.”
A recent Economic Policy Institute (http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2015/05/21/3661672/temporary-guest-worker-program-paid-undoc/) report found that temporary legal guest workers, like H-2A workers, are just as likely to be subjected to low wages as undocumented workers. One issue stems from the fact that H-2 visas are “tied to [individuals’] employers, therefore they cannot change employers or jobs while working in the U.S,” the study author said (http://www.epi.org/event/guestworkers-unauthorized-impact-immigration-status-wages/).
The monthly compensation levels for H-2A workers should be closer to those of green-card holders, since their employers are required to provide amenities like housing and transportation. But when employers shortchange H-2A workers, their monthly compensation becomes more similar (http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2015/05/21/3661672/temporary-guest-worker-program-paid-undoc/) to unauthorized workers’.
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George Jung
06-08-2015, 01:10 PM
Pretty despicable, ain't it?

The H-1B visas are fine, when used properly - but the feds seem to not be enforcing the "when citizens are not able/available to do the job" portion.

Funny, that; almost makes you wonder if 'the Feds' support this kind of crap. (Yes, they do. The real question - why? Who bought 'em off?)

CWSmith
06-08-2015, 02:29 PM
It's easy to fix. If the American people object, then stop going to Disney's many parks. If it does not matter enough to take a stand, then it does not matter to Disney.

Phillip Allen
06-08-2015, 02:48 PM
maybe the cause is something like raising the min wage or some other humanitarian stuff?

S.V. Airlie
06-08-2015, 02:49 PM
Stats have shown that raising the min. wage has helped

Garret
06-08-2015, 03:31 PM
maybe the cause is something like raising the min wage or some other humanitarian stuff?

The Disney workers are far from minimum wage. These are experienced IT guys.

George Jung
06-08-2015, 03:41 PM
The requirement they train their replacements - that's rubbing salt in the wound. Nasty, money-grubbing management. You can bet they're not bringing immigrants in to replace themselves.

Dan McCosh
06-08-2015, 03:44 PM
[QUOTE=Garret;4563328]The Disney workers are far from minimum wage. These are experienced IT guys.[/QUOTE


It's a minimum wage job now. Actually, Indian IT engineers don't make a U.S. minimum wage.

Nicholas Scheuer
06-08-2015, 03:49 PM
It's easy-peasy to just stay home from WDW, or go someplace else.

Phillip Allen
06-08-2015, 04:32 PM
It's easy-peasy to just stay home from WDW, or go someplace else.

never been

skuthorp
06-08-2015, 04:36 PM
Exactly the same rorts of similar visa occur here, the government makes the right noises but it's theit support doing the rorting.

John Smith
06-08-2015, 05:14 PM
It's easy to fix. If the American people object, then stop going to Disney's many parks. If it does not matter enough to take a stand, then it does not matter to Disney.

I think I could get behind that. I was thinking about going; now I'm not.

Nicholas Scheuer
06-08-2015, 07:26 PM
So what should I do, George Jung? Start a class action suit, or something? Hey, you go for it and I'll cheer you on. How's that CS?

Barry
06-08-2015, 08:15 PM
Disney isn't even in the top 100 for H1-B Visa Sponsorship. Heck Wal-Mart is number 49.
Usual suspects and some you may not have heard of.

http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2015-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx?P=2

Garret
06-08-2015, 08:23 PM
Disney isn't even in the top 100 for H1-B Visa Sponsorship. Heck Wal-Mart is number 49.
Usual suspects and some you may not have heard of.

http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2015-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx?P=2

Those sure aren't minimum wage salaries!

CWSmith
06-08-2015, 08:51 PM
As long as 'I got mine', what the hell, eh?

This seems to me to be the exact opposite of what some of us are saying. How is it "I got mine" if we refuse to do business with companies that screw over their workers?

CWSmith
06-08-2015, 09:04 PM
I think I could get behind that. I was thinking about going; now I'm not.

I have come to think this is our greatest weapon.

If you don't like the Hobby Lobby approach to employee health, don't shop there.

If you don't like the way the big box store treats people, don't shop there.

There is a sacrifice. Your kids want Mickey and the box stores are cheap. In the end, it's all they know.

DMillet
06-08-2015, 09:38 PM
Disney isn't even in the top 100 for H1-B Visa Sponsorship. Heck Wal-Mart is number 49.
Usual suspects and some you may not have heard of.

http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2015-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx?P=2

Disney isn't bringing in the H1-B techs, they've outsourced the jobs to companies that employ the H1-B Visa holders. It's a "managed service" arrangement just like the company I work for has been employing since last August.

If the results are similar, the only ones happy with the arrangement will be the stock holders. The reliability and uptime of our critical systems has plummeted. There's no ownership among the people doing the work now, it's just another job. Tech support is all Indian, and while they are extremely polite, it's nearly impossible to understand them on the phone.

The last time we tried this, management came in on a Monday morning 18 months after the contract was signed, and fired the service provider. It was an epic scramble to get things back up and running. That was twelve years ago. None of the managers that brought about that mess lasted another year.

Garret
06-08-2015, 09:54 PM
Disney isn't bringing in the H1-B techs, they've outsourced the jobs to companies that employ the H1-B Visa holders. It's a "managed service" arrangement just like the company I work for has been employing since last August.

If the results are similar, the only ones happy with the arrangement will be the stock holders. The reliability and uptime of our critical systems has plummeted. There's no ownership among the people doing the work now, it's just another job. Tech support is all Indian, and while they are extremely polite, it's nearly impossible to understand them on the phone.

The last time we tried this, management came in on a Monday morning 18 months after the contract was signed, and fired the service provider. It was an epic scramble to get things back up and running. That was twelve years ago. None of the managers that brought about that mess lasted another year.

But freakin' bean counters never learn. Just 'cause thousands of companies have tried it & given up because it actually increases costs and/or reduces business doesn't mean that "it won't work this time".

Idjuts.

George Jung
06-08-2015, 10:11 PM
Your comment comes across as 'oh well', CW; sorry if that wasn't your intent.

CWSmith
06-08-2015, 10:24 PM
Your comment comes across as 'oh well', CW; sorry if that wasn't your intent.

Furthest thing from it.

George Jung
06-08-2015, 10:27 PM
My bad.

Robbie 2
06-08-2015, 11:48 PM
[QUOTE=George Jung;4563339]The requirement they train their replacements - that's rubbing salt in the wound. Nasty, money-grubbing management.

I have been done this route too..........I recently transferred due to a restructuring that made me train the lower paid replacements before my transfer took effect.

CK 17
06-09-2015, 12:35 AM
Doesn't anyone remember the 2012 elections. Romney was lambasted for making the workers at a steel mill build a stage. He then got up on that stage and fired the workers. Why are we shocked by disney's action?

Lew Barrett
06-09-2015, 07:54 AM
Hello, this is Steve with customer service.......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ_mlMAo_R4