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The Bigfella
06-05-2015, 01:58 AM
http://www.sportal.com.au/di/library/sportal_com_au/74/ea/alan-bond-an-australian-sporting-hero_nu0tzf8rhjkl1pjytak676mvf.jpg?t=-1205876187&w=940

PeterSibley
06-05-2015, 02:39 AM
A conman, the country is better for his passing .... he destroyed a lot of lives and ruined the fortunes of a huge number of trusting investors.

seanz
06-05-2015, 02:45 AM
Kerry Packer loved him but.

PeterSibley
06-05-2015, 02:50 AM
A lot of people made a lot of money out of him and he sent a lot of people bankrupt. The 80's at their worst.

The Bigfella
06-05-2015, 06:36 AM
A conman, the country is better for his passing .... he destroyed a lot of lives and ruined the fortunes of a huge number of trusting investors.


Haters have to hate. Hate on.

PeterSibley
06-05-2015, 06:41 AM
A convicted fraudster . A hero to the right.

seanz
06-05-2015, 06:49 AM
But, but, The America's Cup, Peter. He was an Australian sporting legend, a hero.

bamamick
06-05-2015, 06:55 AM
Well, from an American point of view he is/was a sort of sporting hero. The things you guys are talking about are little known outside of Australia, it would seem.

Mickey Lake

PeterSibley
06-05-2015, 07:00 AM
But, but, The America's Cup, Peter. He was an Australian sporting legend, a hero.

Oh definitely, if only he hadn't become a corporate criminal as well.... too much to ask I guess, all that money to be conned .

The Bigfella
06-05-2015, 07:06 AM
A convicted fraudster . A hero to the right.

Ha ha. Your mind is showing to be somewhat twisted from the reality, Sibley. If that's what all this hating does to you, you should have a rethink from time to time. Bond was never a hero to the right. I was around, back when he and Connell and the rest of WA Inc were in the thick of it with your leftie mates.

Here... from wiki

Bond and Connell were major contributors to the party in government, the Australian Labor Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Labor_Party) and its remarkable fundraising structure, the John Curtin Foundation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Curtin_Foundation).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WA_Inc#cite_note-barrass09-1)

PeterSibley
06-05-2015, 07:08 AM
The Right are those who value money above all else, they exist in every party.

The Bigfella
06-05-2015, 07:11 AM
Well, from an American point of view he is/was a sort of sporting hero. The things you guys are talking about are little known outside of Australia, it would seem.

Mickey Lake

I wouldn't put too much stock in what they are saying Mickey. Bond was a thick as thieves with the Labor governments of the time... and some of the leaders of those governments went to jail too. Our lefties like to reinvent history.... and claiming Bondie to be a hero of the right is part of that. The lengths they will go to are on display.

Yeah... back to the sport. I used to race Tornado class cats, and one of my fellow club members in Sydney had been part of Bondie's first challenge. Bond was a bit of a skinflint that time around. To quote my sailing mate "I wonder what the Americans are doing right now?"... said aloud as he was sweeping out the boatshed, as Bondie walked past.

The Bigfella
06-05-2015, 07:12 AM
The Right are those who value money above all else, they exist in every party.

You really are losing it.

Duncan Gibbs
06-05-2015, 07:23 AM
I'm under no illusion that Bond was a crook, and he was one from the very start. My dad was the manager of Kwinana Refinery in Western Australia in the late fifties and early sixties. Bond was contracted by dad to paint a series of pipelines in a sector of the refinery (he did more painting than actual sign-writing) and failed to paint the whole of each pipe section, leaving the bits that were not easily visible bare of fresh paint. Obviously the paint was a protective coating, and Dad duly withheld payment until Bond eventually came back and finished the job, properly.

However, he did lift the nation's spirit with Australia II's victory, or at least bankrolled it's lifting of it by talented individuals, with money we can be reasonably assured was partly to mostly ill-gotten. Even an old enemy like Dad was impressed by the feat and grudgingly gave him his dues for the achievement. "But he's still a crook!" was Dad's qualifier at the time. Nine years later, Dad was proved correct in law. He did other things like establish Bond University and paid for the Endeavour replica's construction and deeded the vessel to the nation. Thus I'm somewhat ambivalent about the guy. He most certainly wreaked the lives of a great many people, but also did some pretty good things as well. Whether the good things make up for the lives ruined I'm not that sure about.

The Bigfella
06-05-2015, 07:23 AM
The really funny thing is that Bond and the Labor Party are real peas in a pod. He talked big, funded everything with debt... then expected no one to hold him to account.

At one stage, his debt level was $700 for every man, woman and child in the country.... and all his creditors ever managed to pry loose from him was 0.6 cents in the dollar.

The Bigfella
06-05-2015, 07:26 AM
I'm under no illusion that Bond was a crook, and he was one from the very start. My dad was the manager of Kwinana Refinery in Western Australia in the late fifties and early sixties. Bond was contracted by dad to paint a series of pipelines in a sector of the refinery (he did more painting than actual sign-writing) and failed to paint the whole of each pipe section, leaving the bits that were not easily visible bare of fresh paint. Obviously the paint was a protective coating, and Dad duly withheld payment until Bond eventually came back and finished the job, properly.

However, he did lift the nation's spirit with Australia II's victory, or at least bankrolled it's lifting of it by talented individuals, with money we can be reasonably assured was partly to mostly ill-gotten. Even an old enemy like Dad was impressed by the feat and grudgingly gave him his dues for the achievement. "But he's still a crook!" was Dad's qualifier at the time. Nine years later, Dad was proved correct in law. He did other things like establish Bond University and paid for the Endeavour replica's construction and deeded the vessel to the nation. Thus I'm somewhat ambivalent about the guy. He most certainly wreaked the lives of a great many people, but also did some pretty good things as well. Whether the good things make up for the lives ruined I'm not that sure about.

Well said, Duncan. I'm pretty sure that they didn't, btw... but they were good things.

I never had any direct dealings with him. Met his first wife though. Red. Oh, and I was there when we decided that we weren't going to kick the can for the WA Inc bailout.

purri
06-05-2015, 07:56 PM
I met the family a few times in the 70s. Wasn't impressed.

PeterSibley
06-06-2015, 02:38 AM
Criminal fraud is just that, that he successfully attracted other crooks in the WA Labor party is no surprise .

Gerarddm
06-06-2015, 08:39 AM
I was in Newport for that sad day. I will go to my grave believing that if Dennis had only covered the last leg of the race he would have eked out the win.

John Meachen
06-06-2015, 02:39 PM
I was in Newport for that sad day. I will go to my grave believing that if Dennis had only covered the last leg of the race he would have eked out the win.

For the rest of the world that day was a cause for celebration.For the series of AC campaigns he deserves much credit and for his business activities he did jail time.Maybe it would have turned out different if he hadn't had designs on Tiny Rowland's empire and been exposed by the very thorough digging operation that was part of the defensive groundwork.It was a long while ago and I seem to recall that Rowland published a report titled "Hero to Zero" which led to the crumbling of the empire.

johnw
06-06-2015, 03:33 PM
The really funny thing is that Bond and the Labor Party are real peas in a pod. He talked big, funded everything with debt... then expected no one to hold him to account.

At one stage, his debt level was $700 for every man, woman and child in the country.... and all his creditors ever managed to pry loose from him was 0.6 cents in the dollar.

So, he really was a crook, but the important thing is that he wasn't a conservative?

I think he was an opportunist who got in bed with whoever could help make him rich.

PeterSibley
06-06-2015, 06:09 PM
So, he really was a crook, but the important thing is that he wasn't a conservative?

I think he was an opportunist who got in bed with whoever could help make him rich.

He was a brilliant salesman / conman and would have appealed to the carpetbaggers in any political party, Labor was in power so he found their carpetbaggers .

The Bigfella
06-06-2015, 08:24 PM
So, he really was a crook, but the important thing is that he wasn't a conservative?

I think he was an opportunist who got in bed with whoever could help make him rich.


A convicted fraudster . A hero to the right.

It wasn't me with the twisted reality, John.

johnw
06-06-2015, 08:44 PM
It wasn't me with the twisted reality, John.

It was just twisted a different way.

The Bigfella
06-06-2015, 09:02 PM
It was just twisted a different way.

Feel free to join the haters. Some around here specialise in the bottom of the barrel - and you can join them if you want. I haven't seen a single factual example of this so-called "hero to the right" brought to the thread. No-one lauds Bond for his skullduggery (in which the left was complicit). If you go back to the OP, you'll see that my memory of Bond was highly specific.... to the 1983 America's Cup victory.

johnw
06-08-2015, 02:28 PM
Feel free to join the haters. Some around here specialise in the bottom of the barrel - and you can join them if you want. I haven't seen a single factual example of this so-called "hero to the right" brought to the thread. No-one lauds Bond for his skullduggery (in which the left was complicit). If you go back to the OP, you'll see that my memory of Bond was highly specific.... to the 1983 America's Cup victory.

I haven't called him a hero of the right. He's a hero for financing the effort that lifted the cup, otherwise he's no one's hero. You seem pretty thin-skinned on the topic. If you go back to the OP, you'll see that all you posted was a picture.

John of Phoenix
06-08-2015, 03:11 PM
. and some of the leaders of those governments went to jail too. What a novel concept!

John B
06-08-2015, 04:58 PM
I think he was an opportunist who got in bed with whoever could help make him rich.

This is it in a nutshell, why do you guys politicise it.

The same thing happened here but 'they' got away with it. Still happens now.

johnw
06-08-2015, 05:14 PM
This is it in a nutshell, why do you guys politicise it.

The same thing happened here but 'they' got away with it. Still happens now.

At least in Oz, some people went to jail.

John B
06-08-2015, 05:28 PM
Yes, I think it was pretty close here too. Some of our hero's shifted offshore for a few years, just in case.
Then again , and to be fair, their issues were with corporate manouvering and tax/ legality stuff as opposed to just being a flat out ratbag who's ripped off mum ,dad and nanna of their life savings.

The Bigfella
06-08-2015, 09:39 PM
Yes, I think it was pretty close here too. Some of our hero's shifted offshore for a few years, just in case.
Then again , and to be fair, their issues were with corporate manouvering and tax/ legality stuff as opposed to just being a flat out ratbag who's ripped off mum ,dad and nanna of their life savings.

I worked for some of them. They still can't join the golf club in Auckland, I believe. Not so much a case of ripping off people's life savings. I seem to recall that they'd doubled profits every year for 18 years... and used equity to fund their expansion... then the '87 crash changed things. A lot. Those mums, dads, etc got caught too.... not so much a rip off as a change in circumstances that was much worse than anticipated. I well remember the details.

The Bigfella
06-11-2015, 01:51 PM
Just had dinner with a couple of players from Bondie's era. One worked for Tiny Rowlands (Lonhro), the other was a partner of a major advisory firm in Perth. Interesting discussion.