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Ted Hoppe
05-20-2015, 01:54 PM
I often hear people say I started my "real" job after graduate school, or when I got out of the military or after some lower wage service employment. I find the term bothersome as I was taught every job was a job. Some just pay more or garner more respect. Your views.

Hugh Conway
05-20-2015, 01:57 PM
A "real" job implies the pretense of a "career".

Garret
05-20-2015, 01:57 PM
I'd say it would apply to folks who say got a degree in education, but worked a few years waiting table before landing a job teaching social studies - that sort of thing.

Ted Hoppe
05-20-2015, 01:59 PM
Then an educated person should state... I started my career after... Or I changed employment and my career after....

work is real job. A job that one must show up and participate for pay on a regular basis becomes a part of a career.

CWSmith
05-20-2015, 02:08 PM
Given that a worked on a trash truck when I was young(er), what I do now hardly feels like a job at all.

John of Phoenix
05-20-2015, 02:10 PM
What is a real job vs a job?"I thought I wanted a career... turns out I only wanted a check."

CWSmith
05-20-2015, 02:16 PM
"I thought I wanted a career... turns out I only wanted a check."

The days can be very long that way.

S.V. Airlie
05-20-2015, 02:20 PM
A real job often is just work! Gotta pay the bills! After you retire, you work for yourself and your 110% enjoyment of doing so.

John of Phoenix
05-20-2015, 02:27 PM
The days can be very long that way.No kidding. When I flew offshore, I supervised a pilot who was miserable in his job - deathly afraid of having to ditch in the Gulf. He finally got a job in Montana where he crashed into a mountain.

I've loved every job I've ever had, even the crappy parts of each. I can't imagine how people go through life doing something they don't at least enjoy.

Paul Pless
05-20-2015, 02:32 PM
I think it kind of depends on the perspective of the individual.

In high school I 'worked' for an hour or so in the evenings at a golf course for a while, after playing golf each afternoon. That was definitely not a real job. In college I 'worked' a few afternoons a week for an old guy that rebuilt antique pool tables and pool cues. We only actually installed about one table every other week or so, we mostly played snooker in the back of the shop. I learned a lot about billiard tables, cues, and actually became a quite good player. That was definitely not a 'real job'.

BrianY
05-20-2015, 02:38 PM
A job is something you do to pay the bills. A career is a job that you don't hate enough to quit.

There is virtue in all work. Unfortunately our society doesn't recognize this.

Hugh Conway
05-20-2015, 03:54 PM
I can't imagine how people go through life doing something they don't at least enjoy.

I think most of the planet does things they don't particularly enjoy for work. That's pretty much the story of humanity. They may have found ways to cope with it and joy in their day to day existence, but the masses enjoying their work is a very new phenomena. If you doubt this find a 3rd world farmer or laborer and ask them. They may (or may not) be philosophical about it, they may or may not find joy in their lives, but the majority won't say they enjoy it.

S.V. Airlie
05-20-2015, 04:02 PM
Actually Hugh, I enjoyed my work, I became disillusioned with who dictated what I did. If I had just been allowed to do my job without interference from those on the sidelines, except for the health issues, I might still be doing it.

TomF
05-20-2015, 04:13 PM
I worked as a waiter for a few years, through University. That was a "job." I've been doing variations on policy work for closing in on about 25 years now; that's a "real job."

Now, being a Restauranteur would also be someone else's "real job." Or being the executive chef at a fine restaurant, or etc. I think it's about where you want to invest yourself. As folks have said above, the best "real job" is one you'd willingly do for free, but somehow you get paid a decent income for it anyway. Haven't found that one yet, myself.

Chip-skiff
05-20-2015, 04:24 PM
Most people think of a "real" job as full-time with benefits, promotions, etc. Never had one.

I worked for the US Forest Service for 15 years as a seasonal employee, which is pretty common for firefighters, backcountry rangers, et al. In my time off from the FS, I'd work as a stockhand, guide, ski lift operator, whatever. I also used to do the SW climbing circuit and write outdoor pieces for magazines, gear reviews, and later, books. Eventually, I made more by writing than at my FS job. It was a good life, but not much in the way of benefits, retirement, etc.

Reynard38
05-20-2015, 04:38 PM
Real jobs are for people that don't know how to fly. :cool:

S.V. Airlie
05-20-2015, 04:39 PM
Real jobs are for people that don't know how to fly. :cool:Drug induced?

Canoeyawl
05-20-2015, 04:43 PM
I've been studying up on numismatic forgery, thinking about a career change.

Bill R
05-20-2015, 04:57 PM
I make sawdust part time as a beer-money-and-my-son-is-a-hockey-goalie second income. I refer to my Corporate job chasing electrons and building radio stations as my "real job". I still enjoy most aspects of the "real job" despite being somewhat disillusioned with the industry as a whole.

CWSmith
05-20-2015, 05:03 PM
There is virtue in all work. Unfortunately our society doesn't recognize this.

Brian, I never took you for a Karl Marx fan?!

Reynard38
05-20-2015, 05:47 PM
Drug induced?

No way, we are subject to random testing.

S.V. Airlie
05-20-2015, 05:53 PM
But, here, I've heard about people who had been on drugs here and were ordered for testing on a regular basis. However, I've also heard these people were called to get an appointment for the testing. Do you see something wrong with this? Also, when complaints are filed to a state/federal agency about the living conditions people are living in, the agency calls those people for an appointment to check, The school calls them for an appointment too! Might as well send a letter home!

Reynard38
05-20-2015, 06:10 PM
It comes with the job. All safety related workers in this industry are subject to random testing.
Do I have a problem with it, not really. I would like to see politicians,doctors and lawyers subject to the same testing though.

Waddie
05-20-2015, 06:14 PM
For a few posting threads all day on an internet boat forum is a real job.

regards,
Waddie

Reynard38
05-20-2015, 06:16 PM
Hey I'm off today and the glue is drying on my engine box beds. ;)

S.V. Airlie
05-20-2015, 06:22 PM
I'm here3 today because it's frigg'n 38 degrees with quite a bit of wind!

leikec
05-20-2015, 06:47 PM
I've had careers, jobs, fill in jobs, paycheck jobs, I'm-too-proud-to-take-unemployment jobs, and everything in between, and it took most of my working life for me to figure out that I'm too cantankerous and independent to work for anyone else.

From now on I just work for money, and I will only do something as long as it's fun.

Jeff C

Bob Adams
05-20-2015, 07:26 PM
Real jobs are for people that don't know how to fly. :cool:

Yup. You have my dream job.

bobbys
05-20-2015, 07:30 PM
A job is being a carpenter, pile buck, tree climber,, commercial fisherman, shipwright, , My passion is spreading hot tar on a roof with a mop.

Michael D. Storey
05-21-2015, 03:09 PM
I can't imagine how people go through life doing something they don't at least enjoy.

You do what you have to. Lotta folk work two close to minimum wagers and do not like cleaning toilets at a yacht club or cutting up vegetables in a Baja Fresh.
When I was seven, my widowed mother had a gig putting net weight stickers on tubes of Swedish tooth paste.
Sure, you get it. If the work is to get you to tomorrow, it is a job.
It can keep you alive and trap you from getting something better, however. I heard a thing on NPR today about people who now earn more, but work fewer hours, so their income has changed little. What has changed, however, is the out go, so they have more time to get a better job. The higher wage may be a stepping stone to more income elsewhere. It's complicated.

S.V. Airlie
05-21-2015, 05:36 PM
I can't imagine how people go through life doing something they don't at least enjoy.

John, do you think people like working at MacDonalds? As Michael said, it's a job. I couldn't image not enjoying my job in total. I didn't enjoy everything about it.

Michael D. Storey
05-22-2015, 11:23 AM
I can't imagine how people go through life doing something they don't at least enjoy.

John, do you think people like working at MacDonalds? As Michael said, it's a job. I couldn't image not enjoying my job in total. I didn't enjoy everything about it.

Enjoying your work, having a rewarding career, are gifts, largely borne of luck and opportunity. Not a universal right, and not, certainly, the domain of every worker.

Nicholas Scheuer
05-22-2015, 02:06 PM
"Real job" is a term used by those who have an over-inflated view of themselves.

TomF
05-22-2015, 02:46 PM
"Real job" is a term used by those who have an over-inflated view of themselves.You think? Sometimes, it just means "getting work doing what you trained to do." Being a tree-planter through university, but getting a job as a programmer or accountant or analyst after graduation. Sweeping floors and washing toilets to pay the rent while you went through the classroom part of an apprenticeship to become a mechanic, HVAC specialist or metal fabricator.

Sometimes a "real job" is just one which pays enough, and is secure enough, to responsibly start a family. In another era, my grandfather was engaged for 6 years to my grandmother ... and wouldn't get married 'till he finished an Engineering degree and landed a "real job" to be able to support her. Unfashionable thought these days.

Nicholas Scheuer
05-22-2015, 04:57 PM
The jobs some have BEFORE they get a "real job" are often jobs other people work at all their lives, raising a family. Like starting at McD's and later working up to Shift Manager. I quit belittling jobs wen I made the mistake of belittling basic shop labor to a fellow who belonged to my church, and HAD one of those jobs in the same foundry in which I was Chief Product Designer. He gave me a lecture on the dignity of "Labor". I hadn't known his spirituality was more advanced than mine, and he had not spent a couple of years at a leading Catholic University as had I. I never forgot that.

skuthorp
05-22-2015, 05:04 PM
My 'real job' was my trade, which morphed so quickly with technology that I had to keep moving to keep up. A very difficult thing for employers was/is keeping up technically. But I have had many other real jobs in various fields as well. A real job might be defined as one on which one could live.

Boater14
05-22-2015, 10:53 PM
the notion of enjoying your work is a mystery to most of the workers on earth. no offense but that is very much a babyboomer concept.

Peter Malcolm Jardine
05-22-2015, 11:08 PM
I think the term refers more about the employer than the employee. I have respect for anyone who works, doesn't matter what kind of job. If they show up everyday and do their best, they have my respect. I have had a bunch of both.... real jobs and crap jobs. I have always worked.

This thread kind of ties in with the minimum wage debate in my mind. Employers that pay the minimum because they can are the reason the minimum wage laws exist.