View Full Version : Interview with David Simon (The Wire) on Baltimore

05-04-2015, 11:38 AM
Excellent background on Baltimore policing.


Osborne Russell
05-04-2015, 01:01 PM
Yes, that's the one I referred to in the Freddie Gray thread.

It follows the money, you might say. Finds the incentives for the behavior. It's a kind of Ferguson on steroids. Ferguson and their misdemeanors, that's small potatoes. War on Drugs Money has caused places like Baltimore to become addicted, ha ha. But at a much larger scale.

John of Phoenix
05-04-2015, 01:10 PM
Direct link to the story -


Flying Orca
05-04-2015, 01:36 PM
]It follows the money, you might say.

It follows the money or it gets the hose again?

Osborne Russell
05-05-2015, 11:12 AM
It follows the money or it gets the hose again?

The show gets the hose -- ?

Watch Episodes 1 and 2, if you get a chance. Eerie parallels to the Freddie Gray case which it pre-dates by ten years.

At the entry level of the Police Department, there are a large number of jerks. To get in, they passed the physical and written tests, big deal. Having got in, a large number doesn't have the stomach and drop out. Takes a while to weed out the remaining jerks, which is not necessarily desired. Jerks can be useful. They're vicious and they don't ask questions.

The ones that remain, remain because of their ability to lie and kiss butt, though they may be good policemen, otherwise. The next round of weeding out leaves the politicians-servants-middle-managers. The next round leaves the politicians, i.e. the full-time liars. That's pretty much the top. When did a police commissioner ever become a legislator? Much more likely, a "consultant". That's a handful of cases. Overwhelmingly, the middle manager is as far cops get.

At any rate, the point is, the debate about whether cops are "good" or "bad" is grotesquely simplistic. The Police Department is an institution which has evolved and to which people adapt. Whatever variation survives in that environment is just the exception proving the rule.