Hydrogen in a Jar

[Rocky]

Back in 83 or so a Berkeley chemistry professor concocted a brew using salt water, ferrous oxide (rust) and sunlight to create hydrogen in a jar. Written up in the Chronicle. He said it would be years before it had a commercial application. Never heard another word about it. Boy I wish I'd kept that article. I asked someone at the Chronicle if they could find it but without a specific date it wouldn't be easy.

[Rocky]

Back in 83 or so a Berkeley chemistry professor concocted a brew using salt water, ferrous oxide (rust) and sunlight to create hydrogen in a jar. Written up in the Chronicle. He said it would be years before it had a commercial application. Never heard another word about it. Boy I wish I'd kept that article. I asked someone at the Chronicle if they could find it but without a specific date it wouldn't be easy.

[Rocky]

Back in 83 or so a Berkeley chemistry professor concocted a brew using salt water, ferrous oxide (rust) and sunlight to create hydrogen in a jar. Written up in the Chronicle. He said it would be years before it had a commercial application. Never heard another word about it. Boy I wish I'd kept that article. I asked someone at the Chronicle if they could find it but without a specific date it wouldn't be easy.

[Todd Bradshaw]

It sounds pretty close to the methods the Germans used to make hydrogen for the Zeppelins. Can you say BOOM....Oh the humanity!

[Todd Bradshaw]

It sounds pretty close to the methods the Germans used to make hydrogen for the Zeppelins. Can you say BOOM....Oh the humanity!

[Todd Bradshaw]

It sounds pretty close to the methods the Germans used to make hydrogen for the Zeppelins. Can you say BOOM....Oh the humanity!

[NormMessinger]

Which Chronical? The San Francisco Chronical, the Chronical of Higher Education? What?

I'll forward this to Phyllis at work. She said she'll play around with it and see what she can find. Clews help but their specialty is finding stuff for students who sometimes don't even know what they want, have incorrect titles, authors and dates, etc.

[NormMessinger]

Which Chronical? The San Francisco Chronical, the Chronical of Higher Education? What?

I'll forward this to Phyllis at work. She said she'll play around with it and see what she can find. Clews help but their specialty is finding stuff for students who sometimes don't even know what they want, have incorrect titles, authors and dates, etc.

[NormMessinger]

Which Chronical? The San Francisco Chronical, the Chronical of Higher Education? What?

I'll forward this to Phyllis at work. She said she'll play around with it and see what she can find. Clews help but their specialty is finding stuff for students who sometimes don't even know what they want, have incorrect titles, authors and dates, etc.

[Rocky]

The San Francisco Chronicle. Thanks Norm, that would be neat. The hell with fuel cells, you could have a little still on the rear bumper!

[Rocky]

The San Francisco Chronicle. Thanks Norm, that would be neat. The hell with fuel cells, you could have a little still on the rear bumper!

[Rocky]

The San Francisco Chronicle. Thanks Norm, that would be neat. The hell with fuel cells, you could have a little still on the rear bumper!

[Todd Bradshaw]

Well scratch the Zeppelin method. From what I have found in my books, the early balloons and derigables used hydrogen made by mixing iron filings and sulphuric acid. From what I gather, it took a fair amount of these ingredients to make enough hydrogen to do much with. Not the kind of thing one would really want in the trunk. I would suspect that the seawater/iron oxide method also takes more stuff than you might want to tote along with you. Better plan on building a little "gas station" in the backyard.

[Todd Bradshaw]

Well scratch the Zeppelin method. From what I have found in my books, the early balloons and derigables used hydrogen made by mixing iron filings and sulphuric acid. From what I gather, it took a fair amount of these ingredients to make enough hydrogen to do much with. Not the kind of thing one would really want in the trunk. I would suspect that the seawater/iron oxide method also takes more stuff than you might want to tote along with you. Better plan on building a little "gas station" in the backyard.

[Todd Bradshaw]

Well scratch the Zeppelin method. From what I have found in my books, the early balloons and derigables used hydrogen made by mixing iron filings and sulphuric acid. From what I gather, it took a fair amount of these ingredients to make enough hydrogen to do much with. Not the kind of thing one would really want in the trunk. I would suspect that the seawater/iron oxide method also takes more stuff than you might want to tote along with you. Better plan on building a little "gas station" in the backyard.

[Rocky]

When Peary flew over the North Pole with Nobile they schlepped barrels of sulphuric acid and iron up there to fill the balloon. The barrels are still there. What role does the iron play? Modern hydrogen plants produce hydrogen and oxygen I think but take a lot of power to do it.

[Rocky]

When Peary flew over the North Pole with Nobile they schlepped barrels of sulphuric acid and iron up there to fill the balloon. The barrels are still there. What role does the iron play? Modern hydrogen plants produce hydrogen and oxygen I think but take a lot of power to do it.

[Rocky]

When Peary flew over the North Pole with Nobile they schlepped barrels of sulphuric acid and iron up there to fill the balloon. The barrels are still there. What role does the iron play? Modern hydrogen plants produce hydrogen and oxygen I think but take a lot of power to do it.

[John Bell]

My employer makes a lot of hydrogen. It's not electrical power that runs our reformers, it's natural gas. While they make a lot of hydrogen, the by-product is lots and lots of carbon dioxide.

Here's a rather interesting little site I found for a hydrogen generator: http://www.keelynet.com/energy/cornish.htm

[John Bell]

My employer makes a lot of hydrogen. It's not electrical power that runs our reformers, it's natural gas. While they make a lot of hydrogen, the by-product is lots and lots of carbon dioxide.

Here's a rather interesting little site I found for a hydrogen generator: http://www.keelynet.com/energy/cornish.htm

[John Bell]

My employer makes a lot of hydrogen. It's not electrical power that runs our reformers, it's natural gas. While they make a lot of hydrogen, the by-product is lots and lots of carbon dioxide.

Here's a rather interesting little site I found for a hydrogen generator: http://www.keelynet.com/energy/cornish.htm

[Ed Harrow]

A little water, a little salt (to make the water more conductive) a DC power source, an anode and a cathode and, presto, O2 and H2. Yippe! Got a match? :eek:

[Ed Harrow]

A little water, a little salt (to make the water more conductive) a DC power source, an anode and a cathode and, presto, O2 and H2. Yippe! Got a match? :eek:

[Ed Harrow]

A little water, a little salt (to make the water more conductive) a DC power source, an anode and a cathode and, presto, O2 and H2. Yippe! Got a match? :eek:

[Rocky]

Well now I see why I never heard about that Berkeley thing again, it was just a variation on an old theme. Still, it sounds like it should be possible to come up with a cheap way to make it, no?

[Rocky]

Well now I see why I never heard about that Berkeley thing again, it was just a variation on an old theme. Still, it sounds like it should be possible to come up with a cheap way to make it, no?

[Rocky]

Well now I see why I never heard about that Berkeley thing again, it was just a variation on an old theme. Still, it sounds like it should be possible to come up with a cheap way to make it, no?

[R.I.Singer30]

Sounds like a dream I've had before. But the problem always comes down to it takes more energy to create the energy.Boy if we could ,we could let the people live in their oasis' and not give them any money to buy their Rolls Royces. Then again the the oil barrons here would probably kill us . Do you remember the movie"Twelve Days in November " with Walter Mathau, they said there is a perpetual motion engine in the Smithsonian. I would like to see that. Is that true? Dan L.

[R.I.Singer30]

Sounds like a dream I've had before. But the problem always comes down to it takes more energy to create the energy.Boy if we could ,we could let the people live in their oasis' and not give them any money to buy their Rolls Royces. Then again the the oil barrons here would probably kill us . Do you remember the movie"Twelve Days in November " with Walter Mathau, they said there is a perpetual motion engine in the Smithsonian. I would like to see that. Is that true? Dan L.

[R.I.Singer30]

Sounds like a dream I've had before. But the problem always comes down to it takes more energy to create the energy.Boy if we could ,we could let the people live in their oasis' and not give them any money to buy their Rolls Royces. Then again the the oil barrons here would probably kill us . Do you remember the movie"Twelve Days in November " with Walter Mathau, they said there is a perpetual motion engine in the Smithsonian. I would like to see that. Is that true? Dan L.

[NormMessinger]

Rocky, Phyllis just emailed me with this:
I made another pass at that "hydogen in a jar" thing and came up with nothing. Could be I don't understand enough of the concepts.
However, Lexis-Nexis only covers the San Francisco Chronicle back to 1989 and the online Chronicle goes back to 1995. Google and Alta Vista are not
fruitful nor is something called Alltheweb.

Guess I'd better get to work.

[NormMessinger]

Rocky, Phyllis just emailed me with this:
I made another pass at that "hydogen in a jar" thing and came up with nothing. Could be I don't understand enough of the concepts.
However, Lexis-Nexis only covers the San Francisco Chronicle back to 1989 and the online Chronicle goes back to 1995. Google and Alta Vista are not
fruitful nor is something called Alltheweb.

Guess I'd better get to work.

[NormMessinger]

Rocky, Phyllis just emailed me with this:
I made another pass at that "hydogen in a jar" thing and came up with nothing. Could be I don't understand enough of the concepts.
However, Lexis-Nexis only covers the San Francisco Chronicle back to 1989 and the online Chronicle goes back to 1995. Google and Alta Vista are not
fruitful nor is something called Alltheweb.

Guess I'd better get to work.

[LaMess]

The only thing I've heard of is for getting O2 or H2O from lunar dirt for a colony or launches to the great beyond.

Fe2O3 + H2 = 2Fe3O4 + H2O
Fe3O4 + H2 = 3FeO + H2O
FeO + H2 = Fe + H2O

(Yea Yea they ain't balanced)

If nobody's thirsty the water can then be electrolysised to get the hydrogen back and oxygen for breathing or fuel.

2H20 = 2H2 + O2

I don't know of any terrestial applications so maybe its not what you are thinking of.

Regards

Lynn

[ 03-26-2003, 11:44 AM: Message edited by: LaMess ]

[LaMess]

The only thing I've heard of is for getting O2 or H2O from lunar dirt for a colony or launches to the great beyond.

Fe2O3 + H2 = 2Fe3O4 + H2O
Fe3O4 + H2 = 3FeO + H2O
FeO + H2 = Fe + H2O

(Yea Yea they ain't balanced)

If nobody's thirsty the water can then be electrolysised to get the hydrogen back and oxygen for breathing or fuel.

2H20 = 2H2 + O2

I don't know of any terrestial applications so maybe its not what you are thinking of.

Regards

Lynn

[ 03-26-2003, 11:44 AM: Message edited by: LaMess ]

[LaMess]

The only thing I've heard of is for getting O2 or H2O from lunar dirt for a colony or launches to the great beyond.

Fe2O3 + H2 = 2Fe3O4 + H2O
Fe3O4 + H2 = 3FeO + H2O
FeO + H2 = Fe + H2O

(Yea Yea they ain't balanced)

If nobody's thirsty the water can then be electrolysised to get the hydrogen back and oxygen for breathing or fuel.

2H20 = 2H2 + O2

I don't know of any terrestial applications so maybe its not what you are thinking of.

Regards

Lynn

[ 03-26-2003, 11:44 AM: Message edited by: LaMess ]

[NormMessinger]

What you doin' up so early, boy?

He's looking to generate Hydrogen.

[NormMessinger]

What you doin' up so early, boy?

He's looking to generate Hydrogen.

[NormMessinger]

What you doin' up so early, boy?

He's looking to generate Hydrogen.

[Rocky]

Wonder what the gummint would come up with if they really wanted to.

[Rocky]

Wonder what the gummint would come up with if they really wanted to.

[Rocky]

Wonder what the gummint would come up with if they really wanted to.

[LaMess]

I know old man but it's still cool ain't it?

[LaMess]

I know old man but it's still cool ain't it?

[LaMess]

I know old man but it's still cool ain't it?

[John Gearing]

Run a search on the Chron on this date:

JANUARY 29, 2000, SATURDAY, FINAL EDITION

and you'll find a story about algae that produce hydrogen. "One scientist says 'it's like striking oil'!"

[John Gearing]

Run a search on the Chron on this date:

JANUARY 29, 2000, SATURDAY, FINAL EDITION

and you'll find a story about algae that produce hydrogen. "One scientist says 'it's like striking oil'!"

[John Gearing]

Run a search on the Chron on this date:

JANUARY 29, 2000, SATURDAY, FINAL EDITION

and you'll find a story about algae that produce hydrogen. "One scientist says 'it's like striking oil'!"

[LaMess]

Or

http://www.plantphysiol.org/cgi/content/full/127/3/740

[LaMess]

Or

http://www.plantphysiol.org/cgi/content/full/127/3/740

[LaMess]

Or

http://www.plantphysiol.org/cgi/content/full/127/3/740

[NormMessinger]

I wonder if there is any cheap way to H from H2SO4? There is plenty of that being generated down in The Bilge.

[NormMessinger]

I wonder if there is any cheap way to H from H2SO4? There is plenty of that being generated down in The Bilge.

[NormMessinger]

I wonder if there is any cheap way to H from H2SO4? There is plenty of that being generated down in The Bilge.