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Tom Montgomery
04-10-2015, 08:05 AM
... and do not want Congress to crush it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/10/iran-nuclear-deal-poll_n_7039700.html

So once again the regressives in Congress are out of step with the majority of the American public.


The survey (http://aufc.3cdn.net/8c37f0eafa2a08abc7_jnm6bnwar.pdf) by Hart Research on behalf of the Democratically aligned Americans United for Change found that 61 percent of the country favor the deal, while 34 percent oppose it.

And perhaps more importantly, 65 percent of voters don't want Congress to block the deal, compared with 30 percent who do.

The poll, done this week of 806 voters, has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

It also reveals a partisan divide on the issue, with Republican voters being the only ones who oppose the deal -- 52 to 41 percent -- and who are split on whether Congress should interfere, with 48 percent saying to block it and 47 percent wanting the lawmakers to let it advance.

....................% Favor....%Oppose
All Voters............61.............34
Democrats..........81.............16
Independents......58.............35
Republicans........41.... .... ....52


....................Allow Agreement.......Block Agreement and
......................to go Forward.......Prevent Implementation
All Voters...............65........................... ..30
Democrats.............82.......................... ...15
Independents.........64........................... ..27
Republicans........... 47.............................48

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RonW
04-10-2015, 08:24 AM
American politics, when the public objects, then create a poll by hand selecting and carefully wording so as to create the response you want to try and convince the public that they are in the minority .........those are called lies, lies, lies, and dammed lies..

Tom Montgomery
04-10-2015, 08:25 AM
You don't like the survey results?

Then instead of crying and whining you regressives need to conduct your own damn poll.

Once your side does so, get back to us.

Tom Hunter
04-10-2015, 08:41 AM
Tom, did you read the poll? I am in favor of the deal, and my understanding is that a majority of Americans are too, as are a majority of Iranians. However RonW is right about this poll being hand crafted to get a particular result.

It is written to give people a choice between talk and war, and they chose talk. This sentence here is the choice the poll gives you if you don't back the deal as it stands:
The only real alternative to this agreement would be military action and American involvement in another Middle Eastern war.

This statement is not true, its an opinion. It does not belong in a poll and its clearly an attempt to manipulate the results.

RonW often falls for conservative click bait, and now you're falling for liberal click bait.

We'd all be better off if you both checked your sources before posting.

Norman Bernstein
04-10-2015, 08:57 AM
The poll was no doubt suffering from some 'leaning' on it, in the direction of its sponsors....

....but I wouldn't be surprised if an unbiased poll produced similar results. The 'warhawk' mindset is not going to play well with American voters anymore.... and is probably quite vulnerable to arguments against it. There will be inevitable comparisons to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.... and even those comparisons will be faulty, because Iran is NOTHING like Iraq and Afghanistan, where tribal enmities and Sunni/Shia friction result in no national cohesion. Iran, unlike the others, is solidly monolithic in faith (Shia), and not ethnically Arab, at all... Iranians are Persians, and speak Farsi, not Arabic. Furthermore, they have a formidable military, with competent leaders and relatively modern weaponry.

In short, a war against Iran would make the previous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan seem like minor neighborhood violence, in comparison... and Americans don't have any taste for another pointless war.

Norman Bernstein
04-10-2015, 09:13 AM
Here's a more credible poll, which, as I just suggested above, basically agrees with the 'biased' poll:


AMERICANS WANT A DEAL WITH IRAN BUT DON'T THINK THEY'LL LIKE IT - HuffPollster: "Last week, President Barack Obama announced that the U.S. and Iran had reached a framework for a historic nuclear agreement. Standing in the White House Rose Garden, Obama stressed that the tentative deal is America's best option and that it is "not based on trust." But his attempt to reassure the public has had limited success. An Economist/YouGov poll conducted this past weekend found that while Americans support the nuclear negotiations, they still distrust Iran and many doubt that any good outcome will be reached.Sixty-one percent -- including majorities of Democrats, Republicans and independents -- back negotiations with Iran over its nuclear program. But Americans remain skeptical about the chances of a successful dealů Only 1 in 4 trust that Iran will follow through on a deal...In the YouGov survey, Americans also seemed divided on whether the framework agreement will lead to a final deal"



http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2015-04-08/iran1.png

RonW
04-10-2015, 09:51 AM
As usual norm didn't show all the results of the poll, he cherry picked to give a false conclusion that he supports. And the rest of the story..

http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2015-04-08/iran4.png


http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2015-04-08/iran5.png


http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2015-04-08/iran8.png


http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2015-04-08/iran2.png


https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/04/08/few-trust-iran-support-negotiations-persist/

John Smith
04-10-2015, 10:03 AM
You don't like the survey results?

Then instead of crying and whining you regressives need to conduct your own damn poll.

Once your side does so, get back to us.

Remember he watches Fox. That's the network that told him all the polls that showed Obama winning against Romney were wrong.

John Smith
04-10-2015, 10:08 AM
Tom, did you read the poll? I am in favor of the deal, and my understanding is that a majority of Americans are too, as are a majority of Iranians. However RonW is right about this poll being hand crafted to get a particular result.

It is written to give people a choice between talk and war, and they chose talk. This sentence here is the choice the poll gives you if you don't back the deal as it stands:
The only real alternative to this agreement would be military action and American involvement in another Middle Eastern war.

This statement is not true, its an opinion. It does not belong in a poll and its clearly an attempt to manipulate the results.

RonW often falls for conservative click bait, and now you're falling for liberal click bait.

We'd all be better off if you both checked your sources before posting.

Yes, the choice given is talk vs war. Is there really another option?

May be moot, as I hear Iran won't accept the deal as it is. They want all sanctions lifted immediately.

There is a third option. Let Iran get nukes.

If we cannot negotiate them out of getting nukes, and they pursue nukes, what options are there other than military?

If you listen to the details as they are made public, Iran has to commit to some things that would insure verification, or sanctions are not lifted. Sounds like a reasonable deal to me. Iran, however, is making noise that may scuttle the whole thing.

In this world, no one can trust anyone. We are not the most trustworthy of nations. Did not one president take us out of agreements the previous president signed on to? Are we not the nation who invaded Iraq for no reason?

We may think we wear the white hats, but I doubt most of the world sees us that way.