Sail Makers

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

TODD !!!

I probably will need a set of sails made for the new project. A 1945 Atkins Active III cat-ketch rigged sailing dory.

Now my question to you is if I have the sail plan drawings and I sent those to you are they enough for you to produce a set of sails? I may get the old sails if the previouse owner can find them, but more than likely they are gone. I would like to use WBF professionals when I can so if you could get back to me via email we can talk about it further.

[ 03-02-2005, 11:48 AM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

TODD !!!

I probably will need a set of sails made for the new project. A 1945 Atkins Active III cat-ketch rigged sailing dory.

Now my question to you is if I have the sail plan drawings and I sent those to you are they enough for you to produce a set of sails? I may get the old sails if the previouse owner can find them, but more than likely they are gone. I would like to use WBF professionals when I can so if you could get back to me via email we can talk about it further.

[ 03-02-2005, 11:48 AM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

TODD !!!

I probably will need a set of sails made for the new project. A 1945 Atkins Active III cat-ketch rigged sailing dory.

Now my question to you is if I have the sail plan drawings and I sent those to you are they enough for you to produce a set of sails? I may get the old sails if the previouse owner can find them, but more than likely they are gone. I would like to use WBF professionals when I can so if you could get back to me via email we can talk about it further.

[ 03-02-2005, 11:48 AM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[StevenBauer]

It coudn't hurt to double check that the spars are actually the size shown on the plans. Todd is the man!

Are you still coming up for the Maine Boatbuilders Show? Lots of vendors you might need to talk to for the Dove project.

list of exhibitors (http://www.portlandcompany.com/bshow/Exhibit05.html)

Steven

[StevenBauer]

It coudn't hurt to double check that the spars are actually the size shown on the plans. Todd is the man!

Are you still coming up for the Maine Boatbuilders Show? Lots of vendors you might need to talk to for the Dove project.

list of exhibitors (http://www.portlandcompany.com/bshow/Exhibit05.html)

Steven

[StevenBauer]

It coudn't hurt to double check that the spars are actually the size shown on the plans. Todd is the man!

Are you still coming up for the Maine Boatbuilders Show? Lots of vendors you might need to talk to for the Dove project.

list of exhibitors (http://www.portlandcompany.com/bshow/Exhibit05.html)

Steven

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Steve I wanna go, but might be hard with work and SWIMBO. She is already giving ma a little static regarding Newport. But ya never know I might make it up.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Steve I wanna go, but might be hard with work and SWIMBO. She is already giving ma a little static regarding Newport. But ya never know I might make it up.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Steve I wanna go, but might be hard with work and SWIMBO. She is already giving ma a little static regarding Newport. But ya never know I might make it up.

[StevenBauer]

Quick book that last suite at the Hyatt so she and the little one can meet you in Newport during the show. They can drive up and meet you. If they don't care to see the Show there are the mansions and beaches and museums, etc. Or that Labrador Bed & Breakfast. Yeah, that's the ticket. :D

Steven

[StevenBauer]

Quick book that last suite at the Hyatt so she and the little one can meet you in Newport during the show. They can drive up and meet you. If they don't care to see the Show there are the mansions and beaches and museums, etc. Or that Labrador Bed & Breakfast. Yeah, that's the ticket. :D

Steven

[StevenBauer]

Quick book that last suite at the Hyatt so she and the little one can meet you in Newport during the show. They can drive up and meet you. If they don't care to see the Show there are the mansions and beaches and museums, etc. Or that Labrador Bed & Breakfast. Yeah, that's the ticket. :D

Steven

[uncas]

Don't let me down Joe...I'm counting on you...Glad my pet rock isn't giving me a hard time...
Being single...don't know what i have missed and I think I want to keep it that way...
Working on the itinerary folks...Approx 140 miles from Cape May To NYC...

[ 03-02-2005, 07:03 PM: Message edited by: uncas ]

[uncas]

Don't let me down Joe...I'm counting on you...Glad my pet rock isn't giving me a hard time...
Being single...don't know what i have missed and I think I want to keep it that way...
Working on the itinerary folks...Approx 140 miles from Cape May To NYC...

[ 03-02-2005, 07:03 PM: Message edited by: uncas ]

[uncas]

Don't let me down Joe...I'm counting on you...Glad my pet rock isn't giving me a hard time...
Being single...don't know what i have missed and I think I want to keep it that way...
Working on the itinerary folks...Approx 140 miles from Cape May To NYC...

[ 03-02-2005, 07:03 PM: Message edited by: uncas ]

[Todd Bradshaw]

Joe, I don't build anything as tall as that mainsail any more, just canoe and dinghy sails and nothing more than about 13'-14' in any direction. When I switched from high-tech, computer-lofted and cut sails to traditional "do it on the floor by hand and by eye" sails I took a pretty big hit in the sizes I could build due to space limitations. Previously, I often built sails bigger than the room I was working in, but that doesn't work when you're shaping by eye. I also may be retired from sailmaking - I haven't totally decided yet. My knees have had it. A 52 year-old man crawling around on his hands and knees for three or four days straight on an oak floor and then trying to walk isn't a pretty picture. I'm working on my house this winter and may build a couple sails in the spring, but that will probably be it. Might have to go get a real job.....oh the humanity!

I wouldn't worry much about getting the old sails for measurement purposes. A few measurements made from the spars (preferably rigged) will be much more accurate. The designer's sailplan will also usually work fine as long as the figures are checked against the actual boat. For this one it would be really good if the sailmaker could get an up close and personal look at the boat. The thing that is most likely to make the new sails work and set well (or not) is the sailmaker's ability to judge and predict the mast bend. It's going to be a huge factor here because of those long luffs. The biggest value the old sails might have would be for test sailing to see what the spar bend is actually like out on the water.

[Todd Bradshaw]

Joe, I don't build anything as tall as that mainsail any more, just canoe and dinghy sails and nothing more than about 13'-14' in any direction. When I switched from high-tech, computer-lofted and cut sails to traditional "do it on the floor by hand and by eye" sails I took a pretty big hit in the sizes I could build due to space limitations. Previously, I often built sails bigger than the room I was working in, but that doesn't work when you're shaping by eye. I also may be retired from sailmaking - I haven't totally decided yet. My knees have had it. A 52 year-old man crawling around on his hands and knees for three or four days straight on an oak floor and then trying to walk isn't a pretty picture. I'm working on my house this winter and may build a couple sails in the spring, but that will probably be it. Might have to go get a real job.....oh the humanity!

I wouldn't worry much about getting the old sails for measurement purposes. A few measurements made from the spars (preferably rigged) will be much more accurate. The designer's sailplan will also usually work fine as long as the figures are checked against the actual boat. For this one it would be really good if the sailmaker could get an up close and personal look at the boat. The thing that is most likely to make the new sails work and set well (or not) is the sailmaker's ability to judge and predict the mast bend. It's going to be a huge factor here because of those long luffs. The biggest value the old sails might have would be for test sailing to see what the spar bend is actually like out on the water.

[Todd Bradshaw]

Joe, I don't build anything as tall as that mainsail any more, just canoe and dinghy sails and nothing more than about 13'-14' in any direction. When I switched from high-tech, computer-lofted and cut sails to traditional "do it on the floor by hand and by eye" sails I took a pretty big hit in the sizes I could build due to space limitations. Previously, I often built sails bigger than the room I was working in, but that doesn't work when you're shaping by eye. I also may be retired from sailmaking - I haven't totally decided yet. My knees have had it. A 52 year-old man crawling around on his hands and knees for three or four days straight on an oak floor and then trying to walk isn't a pretty picture. I'm working on my house this winter and may build a couple sails in the spring, but that will probably be it. Might have to go get a real job.....oh the humanity!

I wouldn't worry much about getting the old sails for measurement purposes. A few measurements made from the spars (preferably rigged) will be much more accurate. The designer's sailplan will also usually work fine as long as the figures are checked against the actual boat. For this one it would be really good if the sailmaker could get an up close and personal look at the boat. The thing that is most likely to make the new sails work and set well (or not) is the sailmaker's ability to judge and predict the mast bend. It's going to be a huge factor here because of those long luffs. The biggest value the old sails might have would be for test sailing to see what the spar bend is actually like out on the water.

[Mrleft8]

I'll give you the name and number of the guy that did my sail if you want Joe..... He was pretty quick, and a little below average in price... I'll have to dig it up though....That was a long time ago....Sometime last May or June I think....

[Mrleft8]

I'll give you the name and number of the guy that did my sail if you want Joe..... He was pretty quick, and a little below average in price... I'll have to dig it up though....That was a long time ago....Sometime last May or June I think....

[Mrleft8]

I'll give you the name and number of the guy that did my sail if you want Joe..... He was pretty quick, and a little below average in price... I'll have to dig it up though....That was a long time ago....Sometime last May or June I think....

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Lefty find that number, but the guy has to be good I don't mind paying a bit, I'm gonna do this boat rite.

Steven Im a bit confused ? I will be going with Uncas to the Newport RI show but I don't know about getting up to Maine. And how did you know about the labrador house??? We stayed there 2 years ago, funny ;) The idea is that my family would meet me up in RI. As I will be traveling up on UNCAS ;) Hey Jamie does Uncas have a dingy ya feel like towing Dove up ;) the rate Im going on the boat she may be done by then LOL smile.gif

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Lefty find that number, but the guy has to be good I don't mind paying a bit, I'm gonna do this boat rite.

Steven Im a bit confused ? I will be going with Uncas to the Newport RI show but I don't know about getting up to Maine. And how did you know about the labrador house??? We stayed there 2 years ago, funny ;) The idea is that my family would meet me up in RI. As I will be traveling up on UNCAS ;) Hey Jamie does Uncas have a dingy ya feel like towing Dove up ;) the rate Im going on the boat she may be done by then LOL smile.gif

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Lefty find that number, but the guy has to be good I don't mind paying a bit, I'm gonna do this boat rite.

Steven Im a bit confused ? I will be going with Uncas to the Newport RI show but I don't know about getting up to Maine. And how did you know about the labrador house??? We stayed there 2 years ago, funny ;) The idea is that my family would meet me up in RI. As I will be traveling up on UNCAS ;) Hey Jamie does Uncas have a dingy ya feel like towing Dove up ;) the rate Im going on the boat she may be done by then LOL smile.gif

[landlocked sailor]

Joe, Doug Fowler in Ithaca has made 3 sails for me; he specializes in small and traditional sails. He also is a long time WB advertizer and has a restored antique sailing canoe in the current "Relaunchings". He does nice work. Rick

[landlocked sailor]

Joe, Doug Fowler in Ithaca has made 3 sails for me; he specializes in small and traditional sails. He also is a long time WB advertizer and has a restored antique sailing canoe in the current "Relaunchings". He does nice work. Rick

[landlocked sailor]

Joe, Doug Fowler in Ithaca has made 3 sails for me; he specializes in small and traditional sails. He also is a long time WB advertizer and has a restored antique sailing canoe in the current "Relaunchings". He does nice work. Rick

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Thanks landlocked I will look into it.

Todd ya know the main is close to your workable size,
The sail plan gives the main as 15'-7" from bottom to top, 7'-2" along the boom and 15'-9" along the angle. With 54.1 ' of sail area. Please excuse my non sail dimension lingo. The mizzen is 11'-2" from bottom to top, 6'-9" along the boom and 11'-9" along the angle. With 37.4 ' of sail. So I think you could handle these if you wanted to.

I did check the spars to the drawings and they are dead on.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Thanks landlocked I will look into it.

Todd ya know the main is close to your workable size,
The sail plan gives the main as 15'-7" from bottom to top, 7'-2" along the boom and 15'-9" along the angle. With 54.1 ' of sail area. Please excuse my non sail dimension lingo. The mizzen is 11'-2" from bottom to top, 6'-9" along the boom and 11'-9" along the angle. With 37.4 ' of sail. So I think you could handle these if you wanted to.

I did check the spars to the drawings and they are dead on.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Thanks landlocked I will look into it.

Todd ya know the main is close to your workable size,
The sail plan gives the main as 15'-7" from bottom to top, 7'-2" along the boom and 15'-9" along the angle. With 54.1 ' of sail area. Please excuse my non sail dimension lingo. The mizzen is 11'-2" from bottom to top, 6'-9" along the boom and 11'-9" along the angle. With 37.4 ' of sail. So I think you could handle these if you wanted to.

I did check the spars to the drawings and they are dead on.

[uncas]

Have a 1968? Dyer...She will be along hopefully...As is typical...having a heck of a time registering her in MD...Have a little (old ) seagull and have to register anything with an engine.
The state is giving me enough hoops to jump through, I think I will be able to join the circus...
The STATE of MD...it totally nuts.
Wants the following...
Bill of sale...Right, what drawer did my father put that in in 1967 +or-..
Wants a title...no title needed in CT...The idiots even checked CT regulations...
Wants a registration...no registration needed in CT...checked that reg in CT too
Not only wants the serial # off the stern...wants them traced...as if I could
nt put x number of letters and numbers together.
So what they want is not possible.

[uncas]

Have a 1968? Dyer...She will be along hopefully...As is typical...having a heck of a time registering her in MD...Have a little (old ) seagull and have to register anything with an engine.
The state is giving me enough hoops to jump through, I think I will be able to join the circus...
The STATE of MD...it totally nuts.
Wants the following...
Bill of sale...Right, what drawer did my father put that in in 1967 +or-..
Wants a title...no title needed in CT...The idiots even checked CT regulations...
Wants a registration...no registration needed in CT...checked that reg in CT too
Not only wants the serial # off the stern...wants them traced...as if I could
nt put x number of letters and numbers together.
So what they want is not possible.

[uncas]

Have a 1968? Dyer...She will be along hopefully...As is typical...having a heck of a time registering her in MD...Have a little (old ) seagull and have to register anything with an engine.
The state is giving me enough hoops to jump through, I think I will be able to join the circus...
The STATE of MD...it totally nuts.
Wants the following...
Bill of sale...Right, what drawer did my father put that in in 1967 +or-..
Wants a title...no title needed in CT...The idiots even checked CT regulations...
Wants a registration...no registration needed in CT...checked that reg in CT too
Not only wants the serial # off the stern...wants them traced...as if I could
nt put x number of letters and numbers together.
So what they want is not possible.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

uncas I have a 1954 Dyer, my first restoration. I got a ticket for the same thing. Get this cause I had a electric trolling motor on the transom :rolleyes: They said it had to be registered and I needed to carry a fire extinguisher and a flair gun :eek: In a 9ft Dhow????? Yea I would need a fire extinguisher if I had a flair gun aboard :D

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

uncas I have a 1954 Dyer, my first restoration. I got a ticket for the same thing. Get this cause I had a electric trolling motor on the transom :rolleyes: They said it had to be registered and I needed to carry a fire extinguisher and a flair gun :eek: In a 9ft Dhow????? Yea I would need a fire extinguisher if I had a flair gun aboard :D

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

uncas I have a 1954 Dyer, my first restoration. I got a ticket for the same thing. Get this cause I had a electric trolling motor on the transom :rolleyes: They said it had to be registered and I needed to carry a fire extinguisher and a flair gun :eek: In a 9ft Dhow????? Yea I would need a fire extinguisher if I had a flair gun aboard :D

[uncas]

Yup...still fighting the state...Had not taken into account the fire extinguisher...That will be next.

[uncas]

Yup...still fighting the state...Had not taken into account the fire extinguisher...That will be next.

[uncas]

Yup...still fighting the state...Had not taken into account the fire extinguisher...That will be next.

[Sailman58]

Another sailmaker for traditional sails is Stuart Hopkins who does business as Dabler Sails in Virginia. He also advertises in WoodenBoat Magazine and I have ordered from him. He does very nice work.

Ron

[Sailman58]

Another sailmaker for traditional sails is Stuart Hopkins who does business as Dabler Sails in Virginia. He also advertises in WoodenBoat Magazine and I have ordered from him. He does very nice work.

Ron

[Sailman58]

Another sailmaker for traditional sails is Stuart Hopkins who does business as Dabler Sails in Virginia. He also advertises in WoodenBoat Magazine and I have ordered from him. He does very nice work.

Ron

[uncas]

Joe...for what it is worth.. I am having good communications with North Sails here...well....Oxford.
They are making me an asymterical with all the trimmings for 1400.00.

[uncas]

Joe...for what it is worth.. I am having good communications with North Sails here...well....Oxford.
They are making me an asymterical with all the trimmings for 1400.00.

[uncas]

Joe...for what it is worth.. I am having good communications with North Sails here...well....Oxford.
They are making me an asymterical with all the trimmings for 1400.00.

[StevenBauer]

Maine BoatBuilders show, all these guys will be there. How can you not come to this show? smile.gif

Sail and Canvas Services

Bohndell Sails

bohndell@midcoast.com (207)236-3549

P.O. Box 628, Rockport, ME, 04856.

Custom cruising sails and rigging.

Fortune, Inc.

http://www.fortunecanvas.com rfiv@fortunecanvas.com (207)878-5760

116 Riverside Industrial Parkway, Portland, ME, 04103

Sailmaking, canvas, cushions & rigging.

Gemini Marine Canvas

http://www.geminicanvas.com lemole@midcoast.com (207)596-7705

50 Tillson Avenue, Rockland, ME, 04841-1187

Full service marine canvas, interior & exterior upholstery,Gemini hinges, Gemlock collapsible struts, DrillSteady drill guides.

Hallett Canvas & Sail

http://hallettcanvasandsails.com hallettsails@hotmail.com (207)781-7070

P.O.Box 6147, Falmouth, ME, 04105.

Hallett Canvans and Sails has been in business since 1986 providing marine canvas products, sails, and sailboat rigging to customers all over New England. With shops in Rockland and Falmouth Maine and a large variety of expertise and products, Hallett Canvas and Sails is New England most comprehensive sail, canvas and rigging loft.

Kittery Point Yacht Yard

http://www.kpyy.net kmckenna@kpyy.net (207)439-9582

48 Bowen Road, Kittery, ME, 03904.

Full service yard, Marina facility, and Yacht brokerage.

Mobile Marine Canvas, Co.

http://www.mobilecanvas.com seth@mobilecanvas.com (207)833-5400

66 Allen Point Road, Harpswell, ME, 04079

We are returning for our 6th season with a full size Dodger model updated last year. We are located in Harpswell, Maine with 2 service moorings through out the season in Merriam Cove. We offer complete one stop shop custom Marine Canvas And Upholstery, combined with state of the art stainless fabrication service either at our location or yours from Portland to Rockland. Please stop by for a visit.

Pendleton Yacht Yard, Inc.

http://www.pendletonyachtyard.com stanp@pendletonyachtyard.com (207)734-6728

525 Pendleton Point Road, Islesboro, ME, 04848

Restoration and repair of fine yachts, wood or fiberglass. Afull service boatyard in Mid-coast Maine with a 30 year reputation forexcellent, customer friendly service.

Pert Lowell Co., Inc.

http://www.pertlowell.com pertlowellco@comcast.net (978)462-7409

Lane's End, Newbury, MA, 01951

"Town Class" sailboat- a centerboard daysailer & traditional marine hardware, marine hardware, mast hoops too..

Pope Sails & Rigging, Inc.

http://www.popesails.com info@popesails.com (207)596-7293

237 Park St., Rockland, ME, 04841

Sailmaker and related sail boat hardware and rigging service.

Portland Yacht Services, Inc.

http://www.portlandyacht.com phin@portlandyacht.com (207)774-1067

58 Fore Street, Portland, ME, 04101

Host of the Maine Boatbuilders Show, this is our boatyard. Our display is about our "full service" Boat Yard, Restorations, Maintenance and our small boat building Westport Pondboats, Turnabout sailboats. Don't forget to check out our most extensive boatbuilding project yet: The Lion's Whelp. Thank you for your interest!

R & W Traditional Rigging and Outfitting

mainstay@csolve.net (866)577-5505

404 Nash Road, New Bedford, MA, 02746

Retailer + Distributor of traditional marine rigging + hardware, brass, bronze + iron by Davey London, + synthetic Hemp.

[ 03-03-2005, 01:54 PM: Message edited by: StevenBauer ]

[StevenBauer]

Maine BoatBuilders show, all these guys will be there. How can you not come to this show? smile.gif

Sail and Canvas Services

Bohndell Sails

bohndell@midcoast.com (207)236-3549

P.O. Box 628, Rockport, ME, 04856.

Custom cruising sails and rigging.

Fortune, Inc.

http://www.fortunecanvas.com rfiv@fortunecanvas.com (207)878-5760

116 Riverside Industrial Parkway, Portland, ME, 04103

Sailmaking, canvas, cushions & rigging.

Gemini Marine Canvas

http://www.geminicanvas.com lemole@midcoast.com (207)596-7705

50 Tillson Avenue, Rockland, ME, 04841-1187

Full service marine canvas, interior & exterior upholstery,Gemini hinges, Gemlock collapsible struts, DrillSteady drill guides.

Hallett Canvas & Sail

http://hallettcanvasandsails.com hallettsails@hotmail.com (207)781-7070

P.O.Box 6147, Falmouth, ME, 04105.

Hallett Canvans and Sails has been in business since 1986 providing marine canvas products, sails, and sailboat rigging to customers all over New England. With shops in Rockland and Falmouth Maine and a large variety of expertise and products, Hallett Canvas and Sails is New England most comprehensive sail, canvas and rigging loft.

Kittery Point Yacht Yard

http://www.kpyy.net kmckenna@kpyy.net (207)439-9582

48 Bowen Road, Kittery, ME, 03904.

Full service yard, Marina facility, and Yacht brokerage.

Mobile Marine Canvas, Co.

http://www.mobilecanvas.com seth@mobilecanvas.com (207)833-5400

66 Allen Point Road, Harpswell, ME, 04079

We are returning for our 6th season with a full size Dodger model updated last year. We are located in Harpswell, Maine with 2 service moorings through out the season in Merriam Cove. We offer complete one stop shop custom Marine Canvas And Upholstery, combined with state of the art stainless fabrication service either at our location or yours from Portland to Rockland. Please stop by for a visit.

Pendleton Yacht Yard, Inc.

http://www.pendletonyachtyard.com stanp@pendletonyachtyard.com (207)734-6728

525 Pendleton Point Road, Islesboro, ME, 04848

Restoration and repair of fine yachts, wood or fiberglass. Afull service boatyard in Mid-coast Maine with a 30 year reputation forexcellent, customer friendly service.

Pert Lowell Co., Inc.

http://www.pertlowell.com pertlowellco@comcast.net (978)462-7409

Lane's End, Newbury, MA, 01951

"Town Class" sailboat- a centerboard daysailer & traditional marine hardware, marine hardware, mast hoops too..

Pope Sails & Rigging, Inc.

http://www.popesails.com info@popesails.com (207)596-7293

237 Park St., Rockland, ME, 04841

Sailmaker and related sail boat hardware and rigging service.

Portland Yacht Services, Inc.

http://www.portlandyacht.com phin@portlandyacht.com (207)774-1067

58 Fore Street, Portland, ME, 04101

Host of the Maine Boatbuilders Show, this is our boatyard. Our display is about our "full service" Boat Yard, Restorations, Maintenance and our small boat building Westport Pondboats, Turnabout sailboats. Don't forget to check out our most extensive boatbuilding project yet: The Lion's Whelp. Thank you for your interest!

R & W Traditional Rigging and Outfitting

mainstay@csolve.net (866)577-5505

404 Nash Road, New Bedford, MA, 02746

Retailer + Distributor of traditional marine rigging + hardware, brass, bronze + iron by Davey London, + synthetic Hemp.

[ 03-03-2005, 01:54 PM: Message edited by: StevenBauer ]

[StevenBauer]

Maine BoatBuilders show, all these guys will be there. How can you not come to this show? smile.gif

Sail and Canvas Services

Bohndell Sails

bohndell@midcoast.com (207)236-3549

P.O. Box 628, Rockport, ME, 04856.

Custom cruising sails and rigging.

Fortune, Inc.

http://www.fortunecanvas.com rfiv@fortunecanvas.com (207)878-5760

116 Riverside Industrial Parkway, Portland, ME, 04103

Sailmaking, canvas, cushions & rigging.

Gemini Marine Canvas

http://www.geminicanvas.com lemole@midcoast.com (207)596-7705

50 Tillson Avenue, Rockland, ME, 04841-1187

Full service marine canvas, interior & exterior upholstery,Gemini hinges, Gemlock collapsible struts, DrillSteady drill guides.

Hallett Canvas & Sail

http://hallettcanvasandsails.com hallettsails@hotmail.com (207)781-7070

P.O.Box 6147, Falmouth, ME, 04105.

Hallett Canvans and Sails has been in business since 1986 providing marine canvas products, sails, and sailboat rigging to customers all over New England. With shops in Rockland and Falmouth Maine and a large variety of expertise and products, Hallett Canvas and Sails is New England most comprehensive sail, canvas and rigging loft.

Kittery Point Yacht Yard

http://www.kpyy.net kmckenna@kpyy.net (207)439-9582

48 Bowen Road, Kittery, ME, 03904.

Full service yard, Marina facility, and Yacht brokerage.

Mobile Marine Canvas, Co.

http://www.mobilecanvas.com seth@mobilecanvas.com (207)833-5400

66 Allen Point Road, Harpswell, ME, 04079

We are returning for our 6th season with a full size Dodger model updated last year. We are located in Harpswell, Maine with 2 service moorings through out the season in Merriam Cove. We offer complete one stop shop custom Marine Canvas And Upholstery, combined with state of the art stainless fabrication service either at our location or yours from Portland to Rockland. Please stop by for a visit.

Pendleton Yacht Yard, Inc.

http://www.pendletonyachtyard.com stanp@pendletonyachtyard.com (207)734-6728

525 Pendleton Point Road, Islesboro, ME, 04848

Restoration and repair of fine yachts, wood or fiberglass. Afull service boatyard in Mid-coast Maine with a 30 year reputation forexcellent, customer friendly service.

Pert Lowell Co., Inc.

http://www.pertlowell.com pertlowellco@comcast.net (978)462-7409

Lane's End, Newbury, MA, 01951

"Town Class" sailboat- a centerboard daysailer & traditional marine hardware, marine hardware, mast hoops too..

Pope Sails & Rigging, Inc.

http://www.popesails.com info@popesails.com (207)596-7293

237 Park St., Rockland, ME, 04841

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[ 03-03-2005, 01:54 PM: Message edited by: StevenBauer ]

[John of Phoenix]

Stitch your own. I just finished a jib and a gaff main for a Stevenson's Weekender that's just a bit smaller than what you're talking about. Check out sailrite.com. Give them a call and they'll walk you through what you need to do. I wanted an over size roller furling jib and a loose footed larger main. They drew up special plans for each. With all the bells and whistles, hardware and tools, it came in just over $400.

I used as simple a Singer machine as can be found, a little zig-zag model. Bot it for $99 and it went through 7 layers of 4oz dacron sailcloth with no problem. The anti-chafe leather was sewn on by hand with a palm and it went fine.

You can do it.

PS Todd, thanks again for your advice and help. That little pucker is gone.

[ 03-03-2005, 04:23 PM: Message edited by: John Teetsel ]

[John of Phoenix]

Stitch your own. I just finished a jib and a gaff main for a Stevenson's Weekender that's just a bit smaller than what you're talking about. Check out sailrite.com. Give them a call and they'll walk you through what you need to do. I wanted an over size roller furling jib and a loose footed larger main. They drew up special plans for each. With all the bells and whistles, hardware and tools, it came in just over $400.

I used as simple a Singer machine as can be found, a little zig-zag model. Bot it for $99 and it went through 7 layers of 4oz dacron sailcloth with no problem. The anti-chafe leather was sewn on by hand with a palm and it went fine.

You can do it.

PS Todd, thanks again for your advice and help. That little pucker is gone.

[ 03-03-2005, 04:23 PM: Message edited by: John Teetsel ]

[John of Phoenix]

Stitch your own. I just finished a jib and a gaff main for a Stevenson's Weekender that's just a bit smaller than what you're talking about. Check out sailrite.com. Give them a call and they'll walk you through what you need to do. I wanted an over size roller furling jib and a loose footed larger main. They drew up special plans for each. With all the bells and whistles, hardware and tools, it came in just over $400.

I used as simple a Singer machine as can be found, a little zig-zag model. Bot it for $99 and it went through 7 layers of 4oz dacron sailcloth with no problem. The anti-chafe leather was sewn on by hand with a palm and it went fine.

You can do it.

PS Todd, thanks again for your advice and help. That little pucker is gone.

[ 03-03-2005, 04:23 PM: Message edited by: John Teetsel ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Ok I got two estimates from big name sail makers.

North Sails & Quantum.

I faxed both companies the same sail plan. And asked for samples of dacron sail cloth in various weights and styles.

North Sail gave me an estimate over the phone

$885.00 for the main (54.1 sq. ft ) in 7 oz Tanbark color or Egyptian cotton color

$840.00 for the mizzen (37.4 sq. ft ) in 7 oz Tanbark color or Egyptian cotton color

Total price $1,725.00 including delivery.
No samples have arrived yet.

Quantum just sent me a written estimate with 3 samples a 3.8 oz Egyptian cotton color, a 5.3 oz Egyptian cotton color
3.8 oz Tanbark

Now get this Quantum quoted the price on BOTH sails is $850.00 in either Tanbark or Egyptian cotton color.

Is this correct, half the price ?????

The samples in the 3.5 oz look perfect. Im leaning towards the Egyptian cotton color. but at half the price I can get both the Tanbark and the Egyptian cotton for the same price as North Sails.

Is this a common price difference??

[ 04-01-2005, 10:09 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Ok I got two estimates from big name sail makers.

North Sails & Quantum.

I faxed both companies the same sail plan. And asked for samples of dacron sail cloth in various weights and styles.

North Sail gave me an estimate over the phone

$885.00 for the main (54.1 sq. ft ) in 7 oz Tanbark color or Egyptian cotton color

$840.00 for the mizzen (37.4 sq. ft ) in 7 oz Tanbark color or Egyptian cotton color

Total price $1,725.00 including delivery.
No samples have arrived yet.

Quantum just sent me a written estimate with 3 samples a 3.8 oz Egyptian cotton color, a 5.3 oz Egyptian cotton color
3.8 oz Tanbark

Now get this Quantum quoted the price on BOTH sails is $850.00 in either Tanbark or Egyptian cotton color.

Is this correct, half the price ?????

The samples in the 3.5 oz look perfect. Im leaning towards the Egyptian cotton color. but at half the price I can get both the Tanbark and the Egyptian cotton for the same price as North Sails.

Is this a common price difference??

[ 04-01-2005, 10:09 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Ok I got two estimates from big name sail makers.

North Sails & Quantum.

I faxed both companies the same sail plan. And asked for samples of dacron sail cloth in various weights and styles.

North Sail gave me an estimate over the phone

$885.00 for the main (54.1 sq. ft ) in 7 oz Tanbark color or Egyptian cotton color

$840.00 for the mizzen (37.4 sq. ft ) in 7 oz Tanbark color or Egyptian cotton color

Total price $1,725.00 including delivery.
No samples have arrived yet.

Quantum just sent me a written estimate with 3 samples a 3.8 oz Egyptian cotton color, a 5.3 oz Egyptian cotton color
3.8 oz Tanbark

Now get this Quantum quoted the price on BOTH sails is $850.00 in either Tanbark or Egyptian cotton color.

Is this correct, half the price ?????

The samples in the 3.5 oz look perfect. Im leaning towards the Egyptian cotton color. but at half the price I can get both the Tanbark and the Egyptian cotton for the same price as North Sails.

Is this a common price difference??

[ 04-01-2005, 10:09 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Venchka]

One more time...

Gambell & Hunter, Camden, Maine. To date, after 2 suits of sails, Grant & Brad have had the best price for premium sailcloth and all the hand work to make the sails really nice. The last suit was less than the North quote for 164 sq. ft. in two sails, imported hayward cloth, total of 4 reef lines, continuous reef tapes, hand sewn rings, leather corners and really nice synthetic hemp reef nettles. They work too. These guys know traditional sails.

Gambell & Hunter (http://www.gambellandhunter.com/)

This NOT a picture of one of my sails, but it could be. This is the kind of work Brad Hunter does.

http://www.gambellandhunter.com/handwork.jpg

You will get a wide variation in quotes. The Quantum quote is more than my sails on a sq. ft. basis. You don't need 7 oz. cloth for those tiny sails. You will like 4 oz. Hayward Sunwing Classic as recommended by Todd Bradshaw. Vertical cut, maybe, if Brad Hunter says it's good. What do the plans show? The plans don't show. go with the judgement of the sailmaker.

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[ 04-01-2005, 10:33 PM: Message edited by: Venchka ]

[Venchka]

One more time...

Gambell & Hunter, Camden, Maine. To date, after 2 suits of sails, Grant & Brad have had the best price for premium sailcloth and all the hand work to make the sails really nice. The last suit was less than the North quote for 164 sq. ft. in two sails, imported hayward cloth, total of 4 reef lines, continuous reef tapes, hand sewn rings, leather corners and really nice synthetic hemp reef nettles. They work too. These guys know traditional sails.

Gambell & Hunter (http://www.gambellandhunter.com/)

This NOT a picture of one of my sails, but it could be. This is the kind of work Brad Hunter does.

http://www.gambellandhunter.com/handwork.jpg

You will get a wide variation in quotes. The Quantum quote is more than my sails on a sq. ft. basis. You don't need 7 oz. cloth for those tiny sails. You will like 4 oz. Hayward Sunwing Classic as recommended by Todd Bradshaw. Vertical cut, maybe, if Brad Hunter says it's good. What do the plans show? The plans don't show. go with the judgement of the sailmaker.

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[ 04-01-2005, 10:33 PM: Message edited by: Venchka ]

[Venchka]

One more time...

Gambell & Hunter, Camden, Maine. To date, after 2 suits of sails, Grant & Brad have had the best price for premium sailcloth and all the hand work to make the sails really nice. The last suit was less than the North quote for 164 sq. ft. in two sails, imported hayward cloth, total of 4 reef lines, continuous reef tapes, hand sewn rings, leather corners and really nice synthetic hemp reef nettles. They work too. These guys know traditional sails.

Gambell & Hunter (http://www.gambellandhunter.com/)

This NOT a picture of one of my sails, but it could be. This is the kind of work Brad Hunter does.

http://www.gambellandhunter.com/handwork.jpg

You will get a wide variation in quotes. The Quantum quote is more than my sails on a sq. ft. basis. You don't need 7 oz. cloth for those tiny sails. You will like 4 oz. Hayward Sunwing Classic as recommended by Todd Bradshaw. Vertical cut, maybe, if Brad Hunter says it's good. What do the plans show? The plans don't show. go with the judgement of the sailmaker.

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[ 04-01-2005, 10:33 PM: Message edited by: Venchka ]

[Todd Bradshaw]

The sails on the North quote are WAY overpriced (outrageously so). Plus, traditional sails aren't what North is known for (or particularly good at from what I've seen by spending better than 20 years repairing sails, many of them from one North loft or another). I'll repeat that I have no interest in making the sails for this boat as they exceed my available work space - but - for that kind of price the sails I would be making would have roped edges and about four days worth of fancy traditional hand work on them - and be built from better fabric to boot. There is nothing whatsoever that North is going to do on those sails that is worth anything near those prices.

The Quantum quote is more in line with what would be a reasonable range. Keep in mind though that for one off, traditional-styled boats you will almost always get better sails from someone who specializes in sails for traditional boats, not a big factory that's going to build your sails between big batches of OEM sails for plastic cruising boats. The list that your fellow forumites have provided above of sailmakers that they have previously dealt with is most likely going to get you much better sails than any of the big factories will. There are some excellent big sail lofts out there, but when it comes to sails for traditional boats, bigger seldom (if ever) means better.

[Todd Bradshaw]

The sails on the North quote are WAY overpriced (outrageously so). Plus, traditional sails aren't what North is known for (or particularly good at from what I've seen by spending better than 20 years repairing sails, many of them from one North loft or another). I'll repeat that I have no interest in making the sails for this boat as they exceed my available work space - but - for that kind of price the sails I would be making would have roped edges and about four days worth of fancy traditional hand work on them - and be built from better fabric to boot. There is nothing whatsoever that North is going to do on those sails that is worth anything near those prices.

The Quantum quote is more in line with what would be a reasonable range. Keep in mind though that for one off, traditional-styled boats you will almost always get better sails from someone who specializes in sails for traditional boats, not a big factory that's going to build your sails between big batches of OEM sails for plastic cruising boats. The list that your fellow forumites have provided above of sailmakers that they have previously dealt with is most likely going to get you much better sails than any of the big factories will. There are some excellent big sail lofts out there, but when it comes to sails for traditional boats, bigger seldom (if ever) means better.

[Todd Bradshaw]

The sails on the North quote are WAY overpriced (outrageously so). Plus, traditional sails aren't what North is known for (or particularly good at from what I've seen by spending better than 20 years repairing sails, many of them from one North loft or another). I'll repeat that I have no interest in making the sails for this boat as they exceed my available work space - but - for that kind of price the sails I would be making would have roped edges and about four days worth of fancy traditional hand work on them - and be built from better fabric to boot. There is nothing whatsoever that North is going to do on those sails that is worth anything near those prices.

The Quantum quote is more in line with what would be a reasonable range. Keep in mind though that for one off, traditional-styled boats you will almost always get better sails from someone who specializes in sails for traditional boats, not a big factory that's going to build your sails between big batches of OEM sails for plastic cruising boats. The list that your fellow forumites have provided above of sailmakers that they have previously dealt with is most likely going to get you much better sails than any of the big factories will. There are some excellent big sail lofts out there, but when it comes to sails for traditional boats, bigger seldom (if ever) means better.

[StevenBauer]

OK, Todd. I have a question for you. Since sails of this size are a little too big for you, and the ones I'll need for my Eun Mara (in a couple of years) are even bigger than those, would you consider sewing together a sailrite kit for a customer? I was just showing HR the sail you made for Gavin and then the sail I made from a Sailrite kit. Needless to say, one was much nicer than the other. smile.gif Maybe I just need to practice some more. :D

We still haven't used the sail you made for Gavin's Elf but we're getting closer. We glued up the mast last weekend and the last plank is almost ready to hang. We're pushing for an early summer launch.

Steven

[StevenBauer]

OK, Todd. I have a question for you. Since sails of this size are a little too big for you, and the ones I'll need for my Eun Mara (in a couple of years) are even bigger than those, would you consider sewing together a sailrite kit for a customer? I was just showing HR the sail you made for Gavin and then the sail I made from a Sailrite kit. Needless to say, one was much nicer than the other. smile.gif Maybe I just need to practice some more. :D

We still haven't used the sail you made for Gavin's Elf but we're getting closer. We glued up the mast last weekend and the last plank is almost ready to hang. We're pushing for an early summer launch.

Steven

[StevenBauer]

OK, Todd. I have a question for you. Since sails of this size are a little too big for you, and the ones I'll need for my Eun Mara (in a couple of years) are even bigger than those, would you consider sewing together a sailrite kit for a customer? I was just showing HR the sail you made for Gavin and then the sail I made from a Sailrite kit. Needless to say, one was much nicer than the other. smile.gif Maybe I just need to practice some more. :D

We still haven't used the sail you made for Gavin's Elf but we're getting closer. We glued up the mast last weekend and the last plank is almost ready to hang. We're pushing for an early summer launch.

Steven

[Todd Bradshaw]

Probably not, as these days I'm very well set-up for canoe-sized sails, but don't have layout space or sewing machine out-feed space for bigger ones. Sails get rolled like big scrolls for long seams and the sewing machine is set into the floor. I've only got about 12' of clearance on either end of the machine before I hit the wall. Since kits are pre-cut, the layout wouldn't be a problem (you build it in chunks and then join the chunks) but you do eventually need room to run the entire thing through the machine without wadding up the scroll and creasing the heck out of it.

Joe, I forgot to mention that it would seem that North is most likely quoting you pricing on sails made from 7 oz. Oceanus Ship's Cloth. This would account for some of the high price (though they're still way overpriced). Oceanus is really nice stuff, but awfully, awfully heavy for such small sails. These sails don't have "flying corners" like jibs or non-boomed mains do, but weight is still weight and overweight sails generally don't perform very well. Four-ounce Dacron (3.8 oz-4.3 oz. depending on who makes it) is probably plenty. If you're expecting to sail in a lot of heavy air, you might go up to the 5-5.5 oz. range for a little more durability. Anything over that is likely to just add weight aloft at the expense of performance with no noticable increase in stability or durability.

[Todd Bradshaw]

Probably not, as these days I'm very well set-up for canoe-sized sails, but don't have layout space or sewing machine out-feed space for bigger ones. Sails get rolled like big scrolls for long seams and the sewing machine is set into the floor. I've only got about 12' of clearance on either end of the machine before I hit the wall. Since kits are pre-cut, the layout wouldn't be a problem (you build it in chunks and then join the chunks) but you do eventually need room to run the entire thing through the machine without wadding up the scroll and creasing the heck out of it.

Joe, I forgot to mention that it would seem that North is most likely quoting you pricing on sails made from 7 oz. Oceanus Ship's Cloth. This would account for some of the high price (though they're still way overpriced). Oceanus is really nice stuff, but awfully, awfully heavy for such small sails. These sails don't have "flying corners" like jibs or non-boomed mains do, but weight is still weight and overweight sails generally don't perform very well. Four-ounce Dacron (3.8 oz-4.3 oz. depending on who makes it) is probably plenty. If you're expecting to sail in a lot of heavy air, you might go up to the 5-5.5 oz. range for a little more durability. Anything over that is likely to just add weight aloft at the expense of performance with no noticable increase in stability or durability.

[Todd Bradshaw]

Probably not, as these days I'm very well set-up for canoe-sized sails, but don't have layout space or sewing machine out-feed space for bigger ones. Sails get rolled like big scrolls for long seams and the sewing machine is set into the floor. I've only got about 12' of clearance on either end of the machine before I hit the wall. Since kits are pre-cut, the layout wouldn't be a problem (you build it in chunks and then join the chunks) but you do eventually need room to run the entire thing through the machine without wadding up the scroll and creasing the heck out of it.

Joe, I forgot to mention that it would seem that North is most likely quoting you pricing on sails made from 7 oz. Oceanus Ship's Cloth. This would account for some of the high price (though they're still way overpriced). Oceanus is really nice stuff, but awfully, awfully heavy for such small sails. These sails don't have "flying corners" like jibs or non-boomed mains do, but weight is still weight and overweight sails generally don't perform very well. Four-ounce Dacron (3.8 oz-4.3 oz. depending on who makes it) is probably plenty. If you're expecting to sail in a lot of heavy air, you might go up to the 5-5.5 oz. range for a little more durability. Anything over that is likely to just add weight aloft at the expense of performance with no noticable increase in stability or durability.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Thanks all I'm gonna give Gambell & Hunter a call on monday

Funny, I'm no sailmaker but when this layman looks at the sail plan hand drawn by William Atkin himself and sees neatly written in the margin 4 oz cloth you would think 7 oz might be a bit too heavy eh :rolleyes: What was North Sail thinking?

FWIW in that little margin neatly written by William Atkin is says:

"Sails are power:
Have them made by
Louis J. Larson
50 Warren St.
New York, N.Y

Ya think ol Larson sail loft is still around since 1945 when the plans were drawn ? ;) Probably not, its probably some chic TRIBECA Cafe now :rolleyes:

A little googling came up with some interesting facts on 50 Warren St and the sailmaker Lois J. Larson


Over the years, the building housed a variety of dry goods, hardware, and horse saddlery

concerns. In the 1920s and 30s, the ground floor was occupied by the Chamberlain Restaurant,

which was operated by the noted hotelier and restauranteur Louis H. Saltzman (c.1876-1950).

His operations included several restaurants in New York City and Philadelphia, and resort hotels

in Miami, New Jersey, and on Long Island. From about 1940 through 1955, the noted sailmaker

Louis J. Larsen (c.1882-1959) had his sailmaking business in this building. Larsen was born in

Denmark, came to the United States before World War I, and worked in a South Street

sailmaking shop before establishing his own business. Larsen specialized in making sails for

racing yachts belonging to many of the leading families of New York and of international

society Kinda cool :cool:

[ 04-02-2005, 05:50 AM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Thanks all I'm gonna give Gambell & Hunter a call on monday

Funny, I'm no sailmaker but when this layman looks at the sail plan hand drawn by William Atkin himself and sees neatly written in the margin 4 oz cloth you would think 7 oz might be a bit too heavy eh :rolleyes: What was North Sail thinking?

FWIW in that little margin neatly written by William Atkin is says:

"Sails are power:
Have them made by
Louis J. Larson
50 Warren St.
New York, N.Y

Ya think ol Larson sail loft is still around since 1945 when the plans were drawn ? ;) Probably not, its probably some chic TRIBECA Cafe now :rolleyes:

A little googling came up with some interesting facts on 50 Warren St and the sailmaker Lois J. Larson


Over the years, the building housed a variety of dry goods, hardware, and horse saddlery

concerns. In the 1920s and 30s, the ground floor was occupied by the Chamberlain Restaurant,

which was operated by the noted hotelier and restauranteur Louis H. Saltzman (c.1876-1950).

His operations included several restaurants in New York City and Philadelphia, and resort hotels

in Miami, New Jersey, and on Long Island. From about 1940 through 1955, the noted sailmaker

Louis J. Larsen (c.1882-1959) had his sailmaking business in this building. Larsen was born in

Denmark, came to the United States before World War I, and worked in a South Street

sailmaking shop before establishing his own business. Larsen specialized in making sails for

racing yachts belonging to many of the leading families of New York and of international

society Kinda cool :cool:

[ 04-02-2005, 05:50 AM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Thanks all I'm gonna give Gambell & Hunter a call on monday

Funny, I'm no sailmaker but when this layman looks at the sail plan hand drawn by William Atkin himself and sees neatly written in the margin 4 oz cloth you would think 7 oz might be a bit too heavy eh :rolleyes: What was North Sail thinking?

FWIW in that little margin neatly written by William Atkin is says:

"Sails are power:
Have them made by
Louis J. Larson
50 Warren St.
New York, N.Y

Ya think ol Larson sail loft is still around since 1945 when the plans were drawn ? ;) Probably not, its probably some chic TRIBECA Cafe now :rolleyes:

A little googling came up with some interesting facts on 50 Warren St and the sailmaker Lois J. Larson


Over the years, the building housed a variety of dry goods, hardware, and horse saddlery

concerns. In the 1920s and 30s, the ground floor was occupied by the Chamberlain Restaurant,

which was operated by the noted hotelier and restauranteur Louis H. Saltzman (c.1876-1950).

His operations included several restaurants in New York City and Philadelphia, and resort hotels

in Miami, New Jersey, and on Long Island. From about 1940 through 1955, the noted sailmaker

Louis J. Larsen (c.1882-1959) had his sailmaking business in this building. Larsen was born in

Denmark, came to the United States before World War I, and worked in a South Street

sailmaking shop before establishing his own business. Larsen specialized in making sails for

racing yachts belonging to many of the leading families of New York and of international

society Kinda cool :cool:

[ 04-02-2005, 05:50 AM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Mrleft8]

Didja call the guy I told you about?

[Mrleft8]

Didja call the guy I told you about?

[Mrleft8]

Didja call the guy I told you about?

[Jim Fitz]

I highly recommend David Howard Sailmaker in Marshfield, MA if you are looking to job out the sails. David's work is great (he makes all the sails for Roger Crawford's Melonseeds) and his prices are very reasonable and he does the work himself so there's a lot of pride in what he builds. His phone number 781-834-1382.

Jim Fitz

[Jim Fitz]

I highly recommend David Howard Sailmaker in Marshfield, MA if you are looking to job out the sails. David's work is great (he makes all the sails for Roger Crawford's Melonseeds) and his prices are very reasonable and he does the work himself so there's a lot of pride in what he builds. His phone number 781-834-1382.

Jim Fitz

[Jim Fitz]

I highly recommend David Howard Sailmaker in Marshfield, MA if you are looking to job out the sails. David's work is great (he makes all the sails for Roger Crawford's Melonseeds) and his prices are very reasonable and he does the work himself so there's a lot of pride in what he builds. His phone number 781-834-1382.

Jim Fitz

[NormMessinger]

When I got quotes for Prairie Islander's main sail from everyone who advertises in WoodenBoat the prices ranged from $750 to $2000. On Ian Wright's advice I contacted his sailmaker, James Lawrence Sailmaker in England. The price was about half the high bid. Dang nice sail but they are busy. They also specialize in gaff sails. jameslawrence@sailloft.fsnet.co.uk. Thanks again, Ian.

Oh, if you are not a typical American see what Martin and his friends have to say about Lawrence in another recent thread.

[NormMessinger]

When I got quotes for Prairie Islander's main sail from everyone who advertises in WoodenBoat the prices ranged from $750 to $2000. On Ian Wright's advice I contacted his sailmaker, James Lawrence Sailmaker in England. The price was about half the high bid. Dang nice sail but they are busy. They also specialize in gaff sails. jameslawrence@sailloft.fsnet.co.uk. Thanks again, Ian.

Oh, if you are not a typical American see what Martin and his friends have to say about Lawrence in another recent thread.

[NormMessinger]

When I got quotes for Prairie Islander's main sail from everyone who advertises in WoodenBoat the prices ranged from $750 to $2000. On Ian Wright's advice I contacted his sailmaker, James Lawrence Sailmaker in England. The price was about half the high bid. Dang nice sail but they are busy. They also specialize in gaff sails. jameslawrence@sailloft.fsnet.co.uk. Thanks again, Ian.

Oh, if you are not a typical American see what Martin and his friends have to say about Lawrence in another recent thread.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Wayne thanks again for the lead I spoke with Grant at Gambell and Hunter Sailmakers. Nice guys Im going to give them the order I just received this email from Grant tonight. He decided to use the smaller 18" panels in keeping with the year the boat is from, cool.

I'm still deciding wether I want Tanbark of Egyptian Cream


Dear Joe,
Thanks for your call today. The plan for the boat shows how
beautiful it is, and I can see why you're intent on doing a thorough
job.

I would recommend cross cut sails with 18" panels and a cream
color fabric approx 4oz. Three battens in each sail, and one reef
in each sail.
Sail slides included
Sailbag included

The cost for sails like this would be $875.00 plus shipping
For Hand Sewn corner and reef rings add $100.00 to the total

We could make them for a mid summer launch.
Please let me know if you have any questions.

Grant
Done deal.

Now everyone VOTE

Tanbark

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid159/p96b756088dac90ebc87ed22b33685357/f505beb6.jpg

or
Egyptian Cream

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid159/pac4a1064224f6421f7dc498bb21acf2f/f505beb0.jpg

[ 04-04-2005, 09:35 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Wayne thanks again for the lead I spoke with Grant at Gambell and Hunter Sailmakers. Nice guys Im going to give them the order I just received this email from Grant tonight. He decided to use the smaller 18" panels in keeping with the year the boat is from, cool.

I'm still deciding wether I want Tanbark of Egyptian Cream


Dear Joe,
Thanks for your call today. The plan for the boat shows how
beautiful it is, and I can see why you're intent on doing a thorough
job.

I would recommend cross cut sails with 18" panels and a cream
color fabric approx 4oz. Three battens in each sail, and one reef
in each sail.
Sail slides included
Sailbag included

The cost for sails like this would be $875.00 plus shipping
For Hand Sewn corner and reef rings add $100.00 to the total

We could make them for a mid summer launch.
Please let me know if you have any questions.

Grant
Done deal.

Now everyone VOTE

Tanbark

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid159/p96b756088dac90ebc87ed22b33685357/f505beb6.jpg

or
Egyptian Cream

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid159/pac4a1064224f6421f7dc498bb21acf2f/f505beb0.jpg

[ 04-04-2005, 09:35 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Wayne thanks again for the lead I spoke with Grant at Gambell and Hunter Sailmakers. Nice guys Im going to give them the order I just received this email from Grant tonight. He decided to use the smaller 18" panels in keeping with the year the boat is from, cool.

I'm still deciding wether I want Tanbark of Egyptian Cream


Dear Joe,
Thanks for your call today. The plan for the boat shows how
beautiful it is, and I can see why you're intent on doing a thorough
job.

I would recommend cross cut sails with 18" panels and a cream
color fabric approx 4oz. Three battens in each sail, and one reef
in each sail.
Sail slides included
Sailbag included

The cost for sails like this would be $875.00 plus shipping
For Hand Sewn corner and reef rings add $100.00 to the total

We could make them for a mid summer launch.
Please let me know if you have any questions.

Grant
Done deal.

Now everyone VOTE

Tanbark

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid159/p96b756088dac90ebc87ed22b33685357/f505beb6.jpg

or
Egyptian Cream

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid159/pac4a1064224f6421f7dc498bb21acf2f/f505beb0.jpg

[ 04-04-2005, 09:35 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Venchka]

A win - win situation!

Ya'll already know my vote-Egyptian cream, all 4 sails. But I've been thinking...should I ever buy more sails, maybe tanbark for a change. Your boat, your sails, get what you want.

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[ 04-04-2005, 09:37 PM: Message edited by: Venchka ]

[Venchka]

A win - win situation!

Ya'll already know my vote-Egyptian cream, all 4 sails. But I've been thinking...should I ever buy more sails, maybe tanbark for a change. Your boat, your sails, get what you want.

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[ 04-04-2005, 09:37 PM: Message edited by: Venchka ]

[Venchka]

A win - win situation!

Ya'll already know my vote-Egyptian cream, all 4 sails. But I've been thinking...should I ever buy more sails, maybe tanbark for a change. Your boat, your sails, get what you want.

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[ 04-04-2005, 09:37 PM: Message edited by: Venchka ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Wayne I added photos so VOTE !

:D

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Wayne I added photos so VOTE !

:D

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Wayne I added photos so VOTE !

:D

[Venchka]

I did! I did!

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[Venchka]

I did! I did!

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[Venchka]

I did! I did!

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

[ 04-04-2005, 09:37 PM: Message edited by: Venchka ]
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Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )
Member # 4659
posted 04-04-2005 09:36 PM

It was a close Vote between your edit and my post ;) . I'm thinking for the shock of the North Sail price I can get both tanbark and cream sails one with the roping and one without :D

[ 04-04-2005, 09:45 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

[ 04-04-2005, 09:37 PM: Message edited by: Venchka ]
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Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )
Member # 4659
posted 04-04-2005 09:36 PM

It was a close Vote between your edit and my post ;) . I'm thinking for the shock of the North Sail price I can get both tanbark and cream sails one with the roping and one without :D

[ 04-04-2005, 09:45 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

[ 04-04-2005, 09:37 PM: Message edited by: Venchka ]
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Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )
Member # 4659
posted 04-04-2005 09:36 PM

It was a close Vote between your edit and my post ;) . I'm thinking for the shock of the North Sail price I can get both tanbark and cream sails one with the roping and one without :D

[ 04-04-2005, 09:45 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Venchka]

There you go. You only go 'round once. No point having anything left on the other end!

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[Venchka]

There you go. You only go 'round once. No point having anything left on the other end!

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[Venchka]

There you go. You only go 'round once. No point having anything left on the other end!

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[Todd Bradshaw]

It's worth noting that certain brands of tanbark fabric look drastically better than others. If I couldn't get Hayward Tanbark Sunwing, I wouldn't even offer tanbark fabric to my customers. It is much less plastic looking and a richer, redder color than almost all of the others with a lot less gloss on the surface. It also has a built-in U.V. absorber to help keep it from fading longer than the others. If they are going to use Hayward fabric, then the Egyptian/Tanbark question is a toss-up. If they intend on using Challenge, Sati or Contender fabric, I would go Egyptian and not even look at the tanbark.

Hayward Tanbark:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid163/pd429fa354c31f242dc69c7a5e84452bf/f493072c.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid163/pb62a77285dac476235e3b667634c077c/f4930727.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p91dd5bd4d126634c061705e09332c3cd/fd682b78.jpg

In use, Egyptian is going to give you a more subtle look - not the typical Dacron pure white, but not as drastically different from the norm as the tanbark would be.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid77/pf0fc4f646b4f7683974feac41214f66f/fb3a4a42.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p561dcdd53da6750b05a9ae8886f75834/fd682b30.jpg

Eight or ten years down the road, the tanbark will probably look cleaner. If you opt for the sewn rings (the price is good and likely worth doing for the character they add, if nothing else) hand sewn details seem to show up a little better on Egyptian than on tanbark. So, it's a tough decision, but it seems like you're on the right track now - as far as the builder goes, and I'm sure both colors would look good on the boat.

Or....for those who can't decide....
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p59565753615f802cdbc1de7a35ade329/fd6827ed.jpg

[Todd Bradshaw]

It's worth noting that certain brands of tanbark fabric look drastically better than others. If I couldn't get Hayward Tanbark Sunwing, I wouldn't even offer tanbark fabric to my customers. It is much less plastic looking and a richer, redder color than almost all of the others with a lot less gloss on the surface. It also has a built-in U.V. absorber to help keep it from fading longer than the others. If they are going to use Hayward fabric, then the Egyptian/Tanbark question is a toss-up. If they intend on using Challenge, Sati or Contender fabric, I would go Egyptian and not even look at the tanbark.

Hayward Tanbark:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid163/pd429fa354c31f242dc69c7a5e84452bf/f493072c.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid163/pb62a77285dac476235e3b667634c077c/f4930727.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p91dd5bd4d126634c061705e09332c3cd/fd682b78.jpg

In use, Egyptian is going to give you a more subtle look - not the typical Dacron pure white, but not as drastically different from the norm as the tanbark would be.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid77/pf0fc4f646b4f7683974feac41214f66f/fb3a4a42.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p561dcdd53da6750b05a9ae8886f75834/fd682b30.jpg

Eight or ten years down the road, the tanbark will probably look cleaner. If you opt for the sewn rings (the price is good and likely worth doing for the character they add, if nothing else) hand sewn details seem to show up a little better on Egyptian than on tanbark. So, it's a tough decision, but it seems like you're on the right track now - as far as the builder goes, and I'm sure both colors would look good on the boat.

Or....for those who can't decide....
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p59565753615f802cdbc1de7a35ade329/fd6827ed.jpg

[Todd Bradshaw]

It's worth noting that certain brands of tanbark fabric look drastically better than others. If I couldn't get Hayward Tanbark Sunwing, I wouldn't even offer tanbark fabric to my customers. It is much less plastic looking and a richer, redder color than almost all of the others with a lot less gloss on the surface. It also has a built-in U.V. absorber to help keep it from fading longer than the others. If they are going to use Hayward fabric, then the Egyptian/Tanbark question is a toss-up. If they intend on using Challenge, Sati or Contender fabric, I would go Egyptian and not even look at the tanbark.

Hayward Tanbark:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid163/pd429fa354c31f242dc69c7a5e84452bf/f493072c.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid163/pb62a77285dac476235e3b667634c077c/f4930727.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p91dd5bd4d126634c061705e09332c3cd/fd682b78.jpg

In use, Egyptian is going to give you a more subtle look - not the typical Dacron pure white, but not as drastically different from the norm as the tanbark would be.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid77/pf0fc4f646b4f7683974feac41214f66f/fb3a4a42.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p561dcdd53da6750b05a9ae8886f75834/fd682b30.jpg

Eight or ten years down the road, the tanbark will probably look cleaner. If you opt for the sewn rings (the price is good and likely worth doing for the character they add, if nothing else) hand sewn details seem to show up a little better on Egyptian than on tanbark. So, it's a tough decision, but it seems like you're on the right track now - as far as the builder goes, and I'm sure both colors would look good on the boat.

Or....for those who can't decide....
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p59565753615f802cdbc1de7a35ade329/fd6827ed.jpg

[Hwyl]

Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):
[I'm still deciding wether I want Tanbark of Egyptian Cream

deal.

Now everyone VOTE

Tanbark


or
Egyptian Cream

[/QB]Walk like an Egyptian; whoa whoa ah

[Hwyl]

Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):
[I'm still deciding wether I want Tanbark of Egyptian Cream

deal.

Now everyone VOTE

Tanbark


or
Egyptian Cream

[/QB]Walk like an Egyptian; whoa whoa ah

[Hwyl]

Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):
[I'm still deciding wether I want Tanbark of Egyptian Cream

deal.

Now everyone VOTE

Tanbark


or
Egyptian Cream

[/QB]Walk like an Egyptian; whoa whoa ah

[cs]

My vote would be for purple, but Joe don't list that option. :(

Guess I'll say the Egyptian Cream.

Chad

[cs]

My vote would be for purple, but Joe don't list that option. :(

Guess I'll say the Egyptian Cream.

Chad

[cs]

My vote would be for purple, but Joe don't list that option. :(

Guess I'll say the Egyptian Cream.

Chad

[Mrleft8]

Cream. The Tanbark can be overpowering.

[Mrleft8]

Cream. The Tanbark can be overpowering.

[Mrleft8]

Cream. The Tanbark can be overpowering.

[Bruce Taylor]

Egyptian.

[Bruce Taylor]

Egyptian.

[Bruce Taylor]

Egyptian.

[NormMessinger]

Egyptian.!!!

[NormMessinger]

Egyptian.!!!

[NormMessinger]

Egyptian.!!!

[Stiletto]

Egyptian.

[Stiletto]

Egyptian.

[Stiletto]

Egyptian.

[rbgarr]

Cream... tanbark is a contradiction in dacron, IMO. Like people who drive 4x4's with winches, etc. and never leave pavement.

Ooops! You didn't ask for commentary, just a vote. Sorry....

[rbgarr]

Cream... tanbark is a contradiction in dacron, IMO. Like people who drive 4x4's with winches, etc. and never leave pavement.

Ooops! You didn't ask for commentary, just a vote. Sorry....

[rbgarr]

Cream... tanbark is a contradiction in dacron, IMO. Like people who drive 4x4's with winches, etc. and never leave pavement.

Ooops! You didn't ask for commentary, just a vote. Sorry....

[shadow99]

Nothing but "Classic Creamyness" is all you need :D !
Ahh, that'd be a vote for cream. Unless you want a radical choice, tie-dyed!

Rick

[shadow99]

Nothing but "Classic Creamyness" is all you need :D !
Ahh, that'd be a vote for cream. Unless you want a radical choice, tie-dyed!

Rick

[shadow99]

Nothing but "Classic Creamyness" is all you need :D !
Ahh, that'd be a vote for cream. Unless you want a radical choice, tie-dyed!

Rick

[gert]

Tan bark

in the late afternoon light it glows like a Chinese lantern smile.gif

[gert]

Tan bark

in the late afternoon light it glows like a Chinese lantern smile.gif

[gert]

Tan bark

in the late afternoon light it glows like a Chinese lantern smile.gif

[Bob Smalser]

James Li.

Much cheaper than a Sailrite kit.

I'll post pics when I get the mast bands done and the rig together.

http://pic3.picturetrail.com/VOL12/1104763/7099973/92239225.jpg

[ 04-08-2005, 01:25 AM: Message edited by: Bob Smalser ]

[Bob Smalser]

James Li.

Much cheaper than a Sailrite kit.

I'll post pics when I get the mast bands done and the rig together.

http://pic3.picturetrail.com/VOL12/1104763/7099973/92239225.jpg

[ 04-08-2005, 01:25 AM: Message edited by: Bob Smalser ]

[Bob Smalser]

James Li.

Much cheaper than a Sailrite kit.

I'll post pics when I get the mast bands done and the rig together.

http://pic3.picturetrail.com/VOL12/1104763/7099973/92239225.jpg

[ 04-08-2005, 01:25 AM: Message edited by: Bob Smalser ]

[Corrib]

Bob, whats the quality of the sails like from Hong Kong Sail Makers, I got a quote not so long ago and they were great value.

Many thanks

Kevin

[Corrib]

Bob, whats the quality of the sails like from Hong Kong Sail Makers, I got a quote not so long ago and they were great value.

Many thanks

Kevin

[Corrib]

Bob, whats the quality of the sails like from Hong Kong Sail Makers, I got a quote not so long ago and they were great value.

Many thanks

Kevin

[Bob Smalser]

Let you know when they come in this week, Kevin.

[Bob Smalser]

Let you know when they come in this week, Kevin.

[Bob Smalser]

Let you know when they come in this week, Kevin.