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David G
03-29-2015, 10:03 AM
Georgia this time --

http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politics/georgia-gops-attempt-to-legalize-discrimination-dies-when-democrats-call-their-bluff-video/


Republican lawmakers in Georgia attempted to follow Indiana’s example by introducing a “religious freedom” bill that would allow discrimination in the state by claiming God wants it that way.

SB 129 (http://www.legis.ga.gov/legislation/en-US/Display/20152016/SB/129) passed the State Senate by squeezing the vote through while Democrats were in the bathroom (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/03/04/3629655/georgia-license-discriminate-bill-forced-committee-bathroom-break/). Yes, you read that right. In the House, Democrats came up with a brilliant strategy to combat the bill.

Just like in Indiana, the bill’s supporters claimed it had nothing to do with discrimination, so Democratic lawmakers called their bluff. They attached an amendment to the proposal that would forbid citing religious liberty as a reason to subvert state non-discrimination laws. The vote on that amendment passed committee with the approval of three Republicans.

Yes, the bill was so ridiculous even some Republicans decided it wasn’t good for Georgia.

Rep. Barry Fleming (R) said that the new amendment would “gut the bill,” moving to table it now that it doesn’t allow discrimination as intended.

The bill’s sponsor, Sen. Josh McKoon (R) said “that amendment would completely undercut the purpose of the bill.” Sen. Roger Bruce (D) informed McKoon, “that tells me the purpose of the bill is to discriminate.”

Gerarddm
03-29-2015, 10:10 AM
I regret that the Miserable Creatures Club has no lack of rube pledges.

Arizona Bay
03-29-2015, 10:13 AM
Virginia is attempting the same thing.


The state of Virginia is set to pass a law which would allow anti-LGBT business owners to bar gay people, purely on the basis of their sexuality.The Virginia Bill (http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?151+ful+HB1414) states that anyone seeking or holding a business license from the state of Virginia in the state can refuse service or entry to gay people, on the grounds it “would violate the religious or moral convictions of such person with respect to same-sex “marriage” or homosexual behavior.”
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/01/13/no-gays-allowed-law-set-to-pass-in-virginia/



I'm sure it's on the AZ list as well. Brewer vetoed it last time, but she's gone now.


edit - The Arkansas Senate just passed their version.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/arkansas-senate-passes-religion-bill-targeting-gays-article-1.2165465

S.V. Airlie
03-29-2015, 10:19 AM
Bloody sick and STUPID! I hope those Rep. Legislators are kicked out on their fat butts at the next election but, I fear they won't be! They've have hoodwinked the voters and have managed to put "fear" into their propaganda! The voters are now very afraid.

Keith Wilson
03-29-2015, 10:24 AM
Well, there's a long tradition. Justifing bigotry as 'relgious freedom' is utterly loathsome.

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RonW
03-29-2015, 10:25 AM
More silliness, that in the real world mean nothing....There are 50 states and over 7,300 state reps, so good odds that some from both sides of the aisle should not be there.

Here is another example...CALIFORNIA DEMOCRAT PREDICTS SURGE IN HOOKERS, BLAMES "GLOBAL WARMING"

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California Democrat Barbara Lee proposed a resolution in the House of Representatives that claims women will eventually be forced into prostitution since they face "disproportionately harmful impacts from climate change." So, first 'we' blame weakness in economic growth on excess cold, and now excess global warmth - according to Lee's House Concurrent Resolution 29 - will drive women to "sex work, transactional sex,and early marriage."
"women are often underrepresented in the development and formulation of policy regarding adaptation to climate change, even though they are often in the best position to provide and consult on adaptive strategies."

http://www.blacklistednews.com/California_Democrat_Predicts_Surge_In_Hookers%2C_B lames_%22Global_Warming%22/43009/0/38/38/Y/M.html

Bottom line........we have too many wacked jobs and fruit cakes in the government from local to all the way to top federal level.

Ian McColgin
03-29-2015, 10:33 AM
More to the point of the thread, RonW, do you join in Rep. Barry Fleming's claim that the original bill does not allow discrimination but that with the explicit anti-discrimination clause added the bill has been gutted?

S.V. Airlie
03-29-2015, 10:38 AM
Since I don't think a Rep. or anyone in any party can walk the streets and know what anyone's sexual preference is, I guess anyone who is gay is going to have to wear an armband announcing that they are! Nothing like the Star of David having to wear armbands to show they are Jewish. Sound familiar?

RonW
03-29-2015, 10:46 AM
More to the point of the thread, RonW, do you join in Rep. Barry Fleming's claim that the original bill does not allow discrimination but that with the explicit anti-discrimination clause added the bill has been gutted?

I don't live in georgia and the bill as well as rep barry are georgia's problem.....oh and the bill was passed while the dems where in the restroom, ? Really ?

Did the governor sign it and is it a bill or just a proposed bill ? And will it be found to be unconstitutional ?????

Keith Wilson
03-29-2015, 10:48 AM
Ooooooh, he's dancing again! Lookit that boy go!

S.V. Airlie
03-29-2015, 10:50 AM
Ah, but it's happening in quite a few states. Your failure to reply by putting the question aside and blaming Ga. is a joke! Duck and weave, duck and weave, duck and weave! You should go into the ring Ron!

RonW
03-29-2015, 10:52 AM
Ooooooh, he's dancing again! Lookit that boy go!

I take it you don't like the answer I don't live in georgia and could really give a rat's butt about proposed state bills that have no effect on me..

Arizona Bay
03-29-2015, 10:55 AM
Ohio Slide Aside Mud Stomp

S.V. Airlie
03-29-2015, 10:55 AM
It wasn't an answer!

S.V. Airlie
03-29-2015, 11:02 AM
Here's the fanatical Rep. model they will have to use!

http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-BE064674.jpg?size=67&uid=007d4b71-8b8d-4ad2-9a2c-e16a28e3369d

S.V. Airlie
03-29-2015, 12:18 PM
I don't live in georgia and the bill as well as rep barry are georgia's problem.....oh and the bill was passed while the dems where in the restroom, ? Really ?

Did the governor sign it and is it a bill or just a proposed bill ? And will it be found to be unconstitutional ?????And this was what the German people said about wearing the "Star of David" and Auchweitz (sic) Ron!

RonW
03-29-2015, 12:22 PM
And this was what the German people said about wearing the "Star of David" and Auchweitz (sic) Ron!

I could care less S.V. Airle

S.V. Airlie
03-29-2015, 12:30 PM
And funny enough, I have no reason to care about you either. I however, don't think I'm alone! You apparently are practically alone except I'm sure Rod will be back to cover your transom. That's qa boat term Ron! You know, boats!

John Smith
03-29-2015, 12:34 PM
I take it you don't like the answer I don't live in georgia and could really give a rat's butt about proposed state bills that have no effect on me..

That's the difference between the conservatives and liberals. The right is selfish; they only care when they are personally affected. Thanks for making that point.

John Smith
03-29-2015, 12:36 PM
I think some of this belongs on the religion thread. We are seeing religion used to generate fear where there's really nothing to fear.

What, exactly, is it about gays these people fear? In other places around the world, the powers that be are even less tolerate.

CWSmith
03-29-2015, 12:37 PM
We all know where this will lead. I cannot believe it will survive.

George Jung
03-29-2015, 01:12 PM
Whether or not it survives, the very fact these folks are so intolerant is front and center. This is one messed up bunch.

Phillip Allen
03-29-2015, 01:15 PM
Here's the fanatical Rep. model they will have to use!

http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-BE064674.jpg?size=67&uid=007d4b71-8b8d-4ad2-9a2c-e16a28e3369d

Godwin's law?

Keith Wilson
03-29-2015, 01:15 PM
It will lead nowhere in the end. Pretty much everybody under 35 wonders what these old folks are getting so upset about.

S.V. Airlie
03-29-2015, 01:16 PM
It's too bad the nuts can vote!

Phillip Allen
03-29-2015, 01:17 PM
Whether or not it survives, the very fact these folks are so intolerant is front and center. This is one messed up bunch.

that would be my take as well

Phillip Allen
03-29-2015, 01:17 PM
It will lead nowhere in the end. Pretty much everybody under 35 wonders what these old folks are getting so upset about.
yep :)

S.V. Airlie
03-29-2015, 01:19 PM
So, Phillip, did you write your state legislator about this ruling in Arkansas?

Phillip Allen
03-29-2015, 01:30 PM
So, Phillip, did you write your state legislator about this ruling in Arkansas?

nope...
I didn't write him about republicans causing global warming either... in fact there's LOTS of things I don't write about... how much time do you dedicate to such things?

S.V. Airlie
03-29-2015, 01:40 PM
If the state law makers passed a bill like Arkie, you are damn'ed right I'd respond. At least an email. I wouldn't sit on my but and let the lawmakers not know they are full of hot air.

S.V. Airlie
03-29-2015, 02:04 PM
Yea RIGHT Gov. Pence! Dream on!

Indiana Governor Mike Pence on Sunday said it was "absolutely not" a mistake to sign the state law that supporters contend promotes religious freedom but detractors see as a covert move to support discrimination against gay people.
"There has been shameless rhetoric about my state, about this law, and about its intention all over the Internet," Pence said, speaking on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos.
"This isn't about disputes about individuals," he said.
(Reporting by Alina Selyukh and Sarah N. Lynch; editing by Susan Thomas)

George Jung
03-29-2015, 02:06 PM
Pence is either stupid, or a liar. His choice.

David G
03-29-2015, 02:11 PM
Pence is either stupid, or a liar. His choice.

I don't think you do him justice. "Both" is entirely possible.

S.V. Airlie
03-29-2015, 02:18 PM
I guess it's a dispute about monkeys!

RonW
03-29-2015, 02:27 PM
Well it would seem that these lawsuits from the LGBT community forcing good god fearing christians to bake cakes and take pictures at Gay weddings has come back to haunt the liberal left with a vengeance. Who would have ever thought. Just more problems going into the election cycle, gee what a shame.

Ian McColgin
03-29-2015, 02:35 PM
For a man who claims not to care, RonW has so many words.

RonW
03-29-2015, 02:38 PM
For a man who claims not to care, RonW has so many words.

Just another liberal policy blowback.

S.V. Airlie
03-29-2015, 02:40 PM
Well it would seem that these lawsuits from the LGBT community forcing good god fearing christians to bake cakes and take pictures at Gay weddings has come back to haunt the liberal left with a vengeance. Who would have ever thought. Just more problems going into the election cycle, gee what a shame.Haven't they already banned gay marriages? I guess it is so much easier to deal with really stupid issues than do with the economy or jobs where their real energies should be. Guess that's too much to ask the reps to concentrate on though!

Glen Longino
03-29-2015, 02:45 PM
I could care less S.V. Airle

Then why the hell don't you just slip and slide over to another thread? Hmm?:DLMAO

S.V. Airlie
03-29-2015, 02:46 PM
Another Forum in fact! Another website would even be better!

Glen Longino
03-29-2015, 02:51 PM
Another Forum in fact! Another website would even be better!

He's already made 6 posts on a subject he "could care less" about. Weird, ain't it?:D

Reynard38
03-29-2015, 02:54 PM
The bills sponsor, Ga state senator Josh Mckoon is from Columbus. Curiously he is catholic.
I would imagine he doesn't care much for the current pope either.

RichKrough
03-29-2015, 04:27 PM
This isn't the first time some folks in the state of Georgia tried to make it difficult for gay folks. There was some religious right-wingers back in 1977 that tried to increase penalty and enforcement of sodomy laws. Governor Busbee nixed that plan after a public outcry. At the time there was a columnist and humor writer in Atlanta named Lewis Grizzard. In one of his columns he mused that "If they lock up all the gay folks, Delta and Eastern airlines will be self service.

David G
03-29-2015, 11:06 PM
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Phillip Allen
03-30-2015, 06:00 AM
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yes... and he predicted what is happening as well... I have tried to learn from that. People (including ALL of us) will be people

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
03-30-2015, 11:48 AM
For a man who claims not to care, RonW has so many words.

To quote a pope.

Words are like Leaves; and where they most abound,
Much Fruit of Sense beneath is rarely found.

John Smith
03-30-2015, 11:56 AM
We all know where this will lead. I cannot believe it will survive.

Actually, it might lead to some very strange, and unpredicted, things. Question is: under this law is there ANY religious practice that can be against the law? The church of pot may come. Animal sacrifice may be legal. How about sacrificing virgins?

I think the Hobby Lobby decision was very wrong. No one who employs people ought to be exempt from any labor laws, but the Court ruled differently. We keep talking about refusing to serve gays, as if someone would know. I look forward to a straight guy being refused service because he's gay and the lawsuit he files.

This law is not limited to this area. The unintended consequences may be more than we can imagine.

Of course, I find any businessman who refused to serve anyone who is able to pay, a poor businessman.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/03/whoops-indianas-anti-gay-religious-freedom-act-opens-the-door-for-the-first-church-of-cannabis/

John Smith
03-30-2015, 11:56 AM
It's too bad the nuts can vote!

It's too bad the sane people don't.

S.V. Airlie
03-30-2015, 12:01 PM
It's too bad the sane people don't.Well, all I can say is that I do!

CWSmith
03-30-2015, 01:02 PM
This law is not limited to this area. The unintended consequences may be more than we can imagine.


Well, this is the point, isn't it. These hideously over-reaching laws will prove very divisive until they are brought down. "No Irish Need Apply" will give way to "No Unaccompanied Women..." Personally, I favor "No GOP..."

There is just no good reason for this. If a photographer doesn't want to cover a gay wedding, then I doubt the couple wants that photographer. I wouldn't want someone who didn't approve. It's a non-issue.

WI-Tom
03-30-2015, 05:59 PM
It's too bad the sane people don't.

Even if they did, it wouldn't matter until we have a nationwide requirement to have non-partisan citizen boards draw maps for electoral districts. Gerrymandering renders voting just about useless.