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Paul Pless
03-17-2015, 04:12 PM
http://41.media.tumblr.com/a2265c076d23baa73bf1927960515625/tumblr_n6oxoa97qD1sdb215o1_500.jpg

Nicholas Scheuer
03-17-2015, 08:34 PM
This view perfectly illustrates a question I've long had about how these boats go to windward. Visualizing a line described by the sharp bow, comparatively hard chine, and very wide transom as something like a 5-degree angle with the keel, do these hulls carve a course to windward 5-degrees better than traditional displacement hulls having a bulbous midsection and narrow transom?

Duncan Gibbs
03-17-2015, 09:05 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-629w6h7LFD4/VQAiTJaq2dI/AAAAAAAAOcA/kwnX6qqmvLY/s1600/rosebud.png

Garret
03-17-2015, 10:15 PM
My current sled:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81fBrcA71mL._SX466_.jpg

Love some weather appropriate for the OP...

Gerarddm
03-18-2015, 12:39 AM
I made a crosscut sled, does that count?

Figment
03-18-2015, 08:14 AM
This view perfectly illustrates a question I've long had about how these boats go to windward. Visualizing a line described by the sharp bow, comparatively hard chine, and very wide transom as something like a 5-degree angle with the keel, do these hulls carve a course to windward 5-degrees better than traditional displacement hulls having a bulbous midsection and narrow transom?

They simply aren't optimised for windward work. Having said that, they go upwind ok.

As you're alluding, the course to windward may SEEM like it's off by 5 degrees, but that's more to do with the fact that the actual (heeled) wetted section and foils are not aligned with the centerline of the boat.

I've often thought that I might really REALLY like to do a single or doublehanded race on one of these, but probably only once.

Paul Pless
03-18-2015, 08:19 AM
let's not forget that they employ asymmetrical twin foil daggerboards way forward, twin rudders and a canting keel with a trim tab

Rich Jones
03-18-2015, 11:55 AM
looks like half a boat...

Canoez
03-18-2015, 11:59 AM
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s---OLQZXfZ--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/uuvjj2jibz2cmkab4zcv.jpg

Paul Pless
03-18-2015, 12:02 PM
looks like half a boat...better?

http://archive.sailingscuttlebutt.com/photos/04/0229maricha/4.JPG

Ted Hoppe
03-18-2015, 12:47 PM
better?

http://archive.sailingscuttlebutt.com/photos/04/0229maricha/4.JPG

beautiful modern machine.

Paul Pless
03-18-2015, 12:49 PM
world's fastest schooner

Chris Smith porter maine
03-18-2015, 01:21 PM
Ok ugly can be cool.

Figment
03-18-2015, 02:05 PM
world's fastest schooner

yet there's something antischoonerish about having the helm position forward of the main.

Paul Pless
03-18-2015, 02:22 PM
hater

Garret
03-18-2015, 02:28 PM
yet there's something antischoonerish about having the helm position forward of the main.

A Yooner? ;)

I bet your spellchecker underlined "antischoonerish"!

Rich Jones
03-18-2015, 02:33 PM
Beautiful but a sloppy job of reefing the sails. I suppose that ultra modern sail cloth is too stiff to furl properly.

John B
03-18-2015, 04:06 PM
I haven't tied a reef point in for a few years myself.

Figment
03-18-2015, 05:19 PM
A Yooner? ;) I bet your spellchecker underlined "antischoonerish"!

It was word enough for me!

The only time I've tied a reef point in the last 10 years was when I was double-reefed and then only because the belly of the reefed cloth was holding a lot of water.

John B
03-19-2015, 04:38 PM
Scruffy!

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd48/Waione_photos/Misc%20and%20sailing%202015/IMG_8257.jpg (http://s227.photobucket.com/user/Waione_photos/media/Misc%20and%20sailing%202015/IMG_8257.jpg.html)

but fun.

TR
03-19-2015, 05:01 PM
world's fastest schooner

MC IV currently being refit at Huisman and turned into the fast cruiser Samuri (which sounds like a Larry Ellison name).

But if we subscribe to the silly mast placement definitions of rigs, she's no schooner, just another ketch with a big mizzen.

John B
03-19-2015, 05:18 PM
Greg Elliot does that, we had a difficult to work out local race boat called Primo ( 50 ft ?), since gone to Japan , and another called Zindabar which is about 60 I think and in the bay of Islands . Neat boats ,very quick.

hahah , I googled it and guess what came up..

http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?12063-North-Sail-s-modern-racing-schooner

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