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David G
03-07-2015, 04:16 PM
And that's pathetic. I wouldn't vote for him if bbbbbbys' life depended upon it --

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Glen Longino
03-07-2015, 04:21 PM
I think Bush will be the nominee!
Just goes to show the sad desperation of the Reps
Hell, even the Reps don't like him but he's the best they have.

leikec
03-07-2015, 04:24 PM
I have some problems with Jeb Bush's record, but he is clearly the best choice among the likely GOP candidates. Judging him by his brother's presidential record is moronic.

Jeff C

RonW
03-07-2015, 04:28 PM
And now the left wants another rerun of the bush family, berry has been a disappointment hasn't he ...Bush is the worse of the lot and almost as bad as hillary....

LeeG
03-07-2015, 04:30 PM
In another decade he might be ok but given the success of the neocons working through Republican presidential candidates I must say no effing way.

Glen Longino
03-07-2015, 04:32 PM
When I think of Jeb as POTUS I can't help but visualize his lifelong family friends.
Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and others are still alive and would consider it a personal victory to have another damn Bush elected POTUS/
It ain't gonna happen!

David G
03-07-2015, 04:32 PM
I have some problems with Jeb Bush's record, but he is clearly the best choice among the likely GOP candidates. Judging him by his brother's presidential record is moronic.

Jeff C

No... Jeff... FAILING to account for the track record of his brother (and, to a lesser extent, his father) when evaluating how THIS Bush might govern... is moronic.

Of course - if you could look at Jebs various public statements, and policy track record while in office and say: why look, he rejects the whole moronic trickle-down, oligarchy-centric, lowest-common-denominator bs that IS and has been the Republican approach for several decades now... THEN an attempt to equate him with his brother would be moronic. Since that is not the case... since to a very large extent the opposite is the case... such comparisons are very much on point.

SullivanB
03-07-2015, 05:26 PM
The man's despicable conduct in the Terry Schiavo matter is and shall always be more than enough to disqualify him from any position of power and authority, let alone, the presidency.

hokiefan
03-07-2015, 05:34 PM
And now the left wants another rerun of the bush family, berry has been a disappointment hasn't he ...Bush is the worse of the lot and almost as bad as hillary....

Not at all. I have been quite happy with Barack Obama as our President. It is nice to have a thoughtful person in the office, he has represented the country well.

The fact that you completely disagree reinforces my opinion. :d

Cheers,

Bobby

oznabrag
03-07-2015, 05:52 PM
And now the left wants another rerun of the bush family, berry has been a disappointment hasn't he ...Bush is the worse of the lot and almost as bad as hillary....

No, we want 4 years of Clinton followed by 8 years of Warren, then 8 more of Chelsea.

John Smith
03-07-2015, 07:22 PM
One needs to have a very selective memory to think Jeb would be a good president. If he's the best they've got, it speaks very poorly of the other candidates.

So far he seems to be surrounding himself with his family's foreign policy experts. I think he's got considerable baggage, including his release of all his emails. That didn't go so well.

I can't find a Republican today I'd vote for. but that's because of the party in general and the direction it wants to take the country and the direction it prevents us from going in.

S.V. Airlie
03-07-2015, 08:14 PM
This won't help Bush either. NYT

MIAMI — “That’s where the classrooms were,” said Katrina Wilson-Davis, pointing at the deserted building that housed the school where she was once principal. She climbed the chipped stairs that children used to race down at recess in their cherry-red school uniforms and walked past a street sign that still warns drivers of a 15-mile-an-hour speed limit on school days.
Those days are over. Now trash and fronds from the palm trees that students planted litter the grounds, and cafeteria tables are folded away in a dark doorway. Jeb Bush’s charter school is a ruin baking in the Miami sun.
Co-founded in 1996 by Mr. Bush with what he called in an email a “powerful sense of pride and joy,” Liberty City Charter School was the first school of its kind in Florida and a pioneer in a booming industry and national movement. It became an image-softening vehicle for Mr. Bush’s political comeback, though the school’s road was anything but smooth.
It served a poor, often overlooked black population, and struggled with landlord problems and deepening deficits without the resources and infrastructure of a public school system to rely on. And by the time it closed, in 2008, the school did not have Jeb Bush to count on, either.
“He was a private citizen then,” said Ms. Wilson-Davis, an admirer of Mr. Bush’s. “He was trying to make money then. He was no longer in office.”
But with Mr. Bush all but certain to be running for office again, this time for the White House, the school he once championed is again useful. As he tries to sell himself to the conservative Republicans wary of his support for the testing standards they consider emblematic of government overreach, he can speak with authority on charter schools, funded largely by taxpayers but run by private companies, as a free-market antidote to liberal teachers’ unions and low performance.
And his firsthand experience in the education of underprivileged urban grade-schoolers lends him credibility in a party that has suddenly seized upon the gap between the rich and poor as politically promising terrain. In his first speech as a likely presidential candidate in Detroit last month, Mr. Bush credited Liberty City Charter School with helping “change education in Florida”

S.V. Airlie
03-07-2015, 08:16 PM
But Mr. Bush’s uplifting story of achievement and reform avoided mentioning the school by name or its unhappy ending. For all his early and vital involvement during his 1998 campaign for governor, and for all the help he offered from afar in the governor’s office, Mr. Bush’s commitment to his school project was not as enduring as some students and teachers might have hoped.
Critics of charter schools note that Liberty City, named after the impoverished African-American neighborhood from which many of its students hailed, also set an unfortunate precedent for the short life span of schools whose survival is dependent on their financial as well as academic success. And while Ms. Wilson-Davis does not blame Mr. Bush for the school’s demise, members of her former faculty and student body wonder whether it ultimately did more for him than he did for it. What everyone agrees is that Mr. Bush moved on.
His involvement began after his narrow loss in the 1994 governor’s race, which he ran as a tough-on-crime and solid-on-social-issues conservative who clumsily asserted that he would do “probably nothing” for blacks if elected. With defeat still fresh, he called T. Willard Fair, a president of the Urban League of Greater Miami, with a question: Would he accept leftover campaign funds for his organization?
“Are you on your way?” Mr. Fair answered.
The president’s son and the African-American activist ended up talking for an hour and a half, with Mr. Bush introducing and selling his new friend on the idea of charter schools. For the next couple of years, the two crisscrossed the state, making their case. Mr. Fair, who displays pictures of the Bush family and Liberty City Charter School students on his office walls, said he had no interest in whether Mr. Bush was sincere in his commitment to educating black children.
“If I can use Jeb Bush’s aspirations to be governor of the state of Florida to do that, so be it,” said Mr. Fair, whom Mr. Bush later appointed to the State Board of Education.
In 1996, their efforts paid off. Florida decided to allow charter schools, and Mr. Bush suggested that he and Mr. Fair start a school together. “There was no ‘let’s look at 1997 for a starting time,’ ” said Cory Tilley, Mr. Bush’s former spokesman. “The momentum was there.”
Jonathan Hage, a former member of the Heritage Foundation staff who would later start Charter Schools USA, a management company, wrote the school’s application to the Miami-Dade County School Board. Rosa Castro Feinberg, a board member at the time, called Mr. Bush’s school the “least worst” of three proposals. But she said the people working with him were aggressive to the point of bullying in pressing for approval.
“Staff felt intimidated,” she remembers. “I’m telling staff, ‘You can’t approve that,’ and they are saying, ‘Lady, but that’s Jeb Bush.’ ”
The board approved a three-year contract. One of its members, Frederica S. Wilson, now a member of the House of Representatives, had grilled Mr. Bush about his plans for the school, and apparently made an impression. “He asked the superintendent if I could be the principal of the school,” said Ms. Wilson, who declined the job.
Mr. Bush asked if she could recommend someone with “the same personality” as her. She suggested Ms. Wilson-Davis (no relation to Ms. Wilson), but she advised the young social studies teacher not to take the job because she lacked any managerial experience. Ms. Wilson-Davis took it anyway. The school wanted “an inexperienced person,” Mr. Fair said, who would not be beholden to teachers unions.
Next, Mr. Bush, using his connections, set about raising money to help fund the school’s first-year budget of about $312,000, a combination of private and public funding. And they needed students. Mr. Fair called the mothers of the affordable housing units developed by the Urban League, and asked for help.
In the days before school started, Mr. Bush arrived in corduroys and boat shoes to paint the school chairs primary colors. On Aug. 26, 1996, the first day of school, he stood with a teary-eyed Mr. Fair on the school steps as 60 children marched down the street.
Mr. Bush became a frequent presence at the school. Before each visit, Staci Schulster, a second-grade teacher, prepped the children by telling them that Mr. Bush was “famous.” The students would rush Mr. Bush and knock him off his tiny chair, “and all you’d see was his legs hanging out” said Ms. Wilson-Davis

S.V. Airlie
03-07-2015, 08:17 PM
He came dressed up as Santa Claus, took students to Parrot Jungle and brought his mother, Barbara Bush, to read to the kids. But he also declined invitations for the school choir to sing at outside events.
“I’m protective of the school,” Mr. Bush said in December 1997. “The school is separate from my campaign.” Some former teachers and students found such an assertion risible.
Ajami Booth was one of the children who was chosen to stand behind him as Mr. Bush gave a speech. There was a campaign atmosphere to his visits, he recalled, and “we all had to dress up and look spiffy” for the cameras when he came by.
But some members of the school were happy to play a role in his political career. When Mr. Bush formally started another run for governor in 1998, his campaign paid for Cheri Perry, a board member at the school, to travel to Tallahassee, where photographers captured her delivering the paperwork.
During the campaign, Mr. Bush wrote in an email, “the school provided a firsthand look at the policy and real-life challenges in improving education.” That fall, the public school system gave Liberty City a “Best in Class” rating among poor black schools. And in November, Florida’s voters elected Mr. Bush governor. Exit polls showed he doubled his share of the black vote.
Mr. Bush’s election made him shift his priorities elsewhere. State law forced the school to strip his name off its letterhead, hurting fund-raising but granting more independence. “We wanted to just be a school, not a political animal,” Ms. Wilson-Davis said. “When Jeb was there, it was always about politics.”
She herself tired of all the political visitors to the school, including Mr. Bush’s unannounced visits. “I’m not a tour guide,” she said she had told him.
In June 1999, soon before a school board vote to renew the school, it got a D grade on the new standardized test in Florida that was part of what Mr. Bush called “the focus” of his 1998 campaign. Mr. Bush’s enemies in the teachers’ union howled with delight.
In the ensuing years, Mr. Bush “faded a little a bit,” rarely visiting the school, said Aubrey Davis, a former student and Ms. Wilson-Davis’s son.
Mr. Bush’s office said in response to questions that it would have been inappropriate for Mr. Bush to help the school as governor. But behind the scenes, Mr. Bush’s now partially public emails show that he kept tabs on Liberty City, congratulating Ms. Wilson-Davis on math bowl victories and improved standardized test scores, even receiving debriefings from an adviser who tutored at the school.
Mr. Bush rolled to re-election in 2002, and his first post-victory appearance was at the school, which by then was having problems with its landlord. In April 2004, Ms. Wilson-Davis requested a meeting with Mr. Bush to discuss “acquiring this property right across the street from our current school!!!!!” she wrote in one of the now-public emails, calling it “a deal that we simply cannot afford to miss.” But when the school went ahead with the purchase, Mr. Bush was not involved in the decision, according to his office.
That November, when Ms. Wilson-Davis briefed him on roof damage caused by Hurricane Katrina, he wrote back: “Trina, have you applied for FEMA assistance? What do they say?” He was referring to the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
Liberty City earned an A grade for the 2005-06 year, a high mark in what was, over the years, an inconsistent report card as the school wrestled with Mr. Bush’s standardized tests and took over the management of other failing charter schools. But that October, Ms. Wilson-Davis wrote to him frantically that the school had missed a deadline for FEMA funding the repair of hurricane-related damages.

S.V. Airlie
03-07-2015, 08:18 PM
“I am in a position where I need some intervention and direction from YOU!” she wrote in an email. Mr. Bush wrote back that he would work on the issue and directed his office to look into the FEMA funding.
Ms. Wilson-Davis said that Mr. Bush had helped as governor, but that the roof was only one dispute with the landlord for a school that had become a financial catastrophe. There had been what Ms. Wilson-Davis called a “barrage” of complaints from the landlord to the authorities, who cited the school for fire-code violations, shoddy work by unlicensed contractors and unsafe conditions. A judge awarded damages and legal fees to the landlord.
“I am not aware of what this is about,” Mr. Bush told The Miami Herald in 2008, when the financial issues became public. He added that he knew that the school carried an A rating, “which warmed my heart.” School board documents show the school had a C rating for its last two years.
As for the school’s financial and landlord problems, “I did tell him,” Ms. Wilson-Davis said. She said Mr. Bush had looked into the issue, called back and said the school had a big hole of debt that would be hard to fill. “How do we survive this?” she remembers asking him. Mr. Bush’s answer, in an email response this month to questions from The New York Times, was that “I asked some friends to get involved on the board and help the school.” But he declined to expand on what efforts he had made.
Whatever they were, they were insufficient. On March 13, 2008, the Miami schools superintendent, Rudy Crew, notified Mr. Fair, Ms. Wilson-Davis and Ms. Perry, who had hand-delivered the paperwork for Mr. Bush’s 1998 candidacy, that the school board had voted to “immediately terminate the contract.”

Correction: March 7, 2015
This article has been revised to reflect the following correction: An earlier version of this article referred to Katrina Wilson-Davis, the former principal of Liberty City Charter School, as Ms. Davis-Wilson in one instance

Keith Wilson
03-07-2015, 11:57 PM
And now the left wants another rerun of the Bush family . . . Eh? No way. I also think he's the best of a pretty sorry lot of plausible Republican candidates, but that most certainly does NOT mean I want him to get elected. There was once a time when I voted for some Republicans. The changes in the party over the past 20 years have ensured that I will almost certainly never vote for any Republican ever again.

Glen Longino
03-08-2015, 12:04 AM
Eh? No way. I also think he's the best of a pretty sorry lot of plausible Republican candidates, but that most certainly does NOT mean I want him to get elected. There was once a time when I voted for some Republicans. The changes in the party over the past 20 years have ensured that I will almost certainly never vote for any Republican ever again.

Same here!

Gerarddm
03-08-2015, 01:33 AM
#9: I have been saying the same thing for some time.

The fact that he is in bed with the worst of his brother's neocon warmongers is further prove of his unfitness for the presidency.

And have I been disappointed in Obama? Yes. I wanted him to be more progressive and tougher regarding Republican intransigence, but I certainly prefer him in power to any Republican alive.

John Smith
03-08-2015, 08:06 AM
Eh? No way. I also think he's the best of a pretty sorry lot of plausible Republican candidates, but that most certainly does NOT mean I want him to get elected. There was once a time when I voted for some Republicans. The changes in the party over the past 20 years have ensured that I will almost certainly never vote for any Republican ever again.

I'm in the same place.

Chip-skiff
03-08-2015, 09:19 PM
In the Republican field of candidates, there is no best.

htom
03-09-2015, 12:03 AM
Jeb is probably the best Republican candidate -- for the Democrats to run against.

pcford
03-09-2015, 12:07 AM
The republican field is like one of those clown cars at the circus...an endless supply of Bozos, each zanier than the last.

David G
03-09-2015, 12:07 AM
Jeb is probably the best Republican candidate -- for the Democrats to run against.

You often have interesting and thoughtful takes on things... so I'll ask --

Which likely R candidate do you think stands the best chance of winning?

And... if it HAD to be a R... and you got to appoint the president... who would it be?

David G
03-09-2015, 09:00 AM
This one posted on FB this morning --

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jclays
03-09-2015, 10:31 AM
Twenty five years of Bushes and Clintions is too much. Where is the rest of America's best and brightest?

leikec
03-09-2015, 10:39 AM
The brightest are too smart to put themselves through the process. ..

Jeff C

RonW
03-09-2015, 10:41 AM
Jeb is probably the best Republican candidate -- for the Democrats to run against.

And that is what this whole thread is based upon, talking points from dem national that tell dems to talk up jeb, we think we can beat him..

Norman Bernstein
03-09-2015, 10:52 AM
And that is what this whole thread is based upon, talking points from dem national that tell dems to talk up jeb, we think we can beat him..

You don't know how wrong you are. We are hoping for a jerk like Paul, Christie, or Walker... THOSE guys would be easy to beat. Jeb is 'almost' a moderate, which is the ONLY kind of Republican with a shot.

You still don't get it. Your 22% of the electorate who might vote for a right wing extremist isn't enough to win the Presidency.... but you insist on deluding yourself into thinking that support for your brand of extremism is bigger than it actually is.

Chris Coose
03-09-2015, 11:31 AM
Neil and Marvin can come after Jeb. It's sooooooo exciting.

David G
03-09-2015, 11:33 AM
If my life depended on it?.

First Glen puts me on fake ignore now I die.

And this from my BFFs!

I said "if"... not "when".

CCC, little buddy... they can help. Really!

RonW
03-09-2015, 11:39 AM
Norm -
You don't know how wrong you are. We are hoping for a jerk like Paul, Christie, or Walker... THOSE guys would be easy to beat.

Actually from what I hear all of the top 5 repub. candidates can easily beat hillary, and in order at this time is - walker,paul,cruz,carson and then jeb.

But it really doesn't matter since it is almost certain that hillary is out.......and yes jeb is running in 5 th place............

Keith Wilson
03-09-2015, 11:43 AM
. . . from what I hear . . . And where do you hear that?

John Smith
03-09-2015, 11:44 AM
Twenty five years of Bushes and Clintions is too much. Where is the rest of America's best and brightest?

False comparison. Hillary is a Clinton by marriage, not blood.

John Smith
03-09-2015, 11:46 AM
Norm -

Actually from what I hear all of the top 5 repub. candidates can easily beat hillary, and in order at this time is - walker,paul,cruz,carson and then jeb.

But it really doesn't matter since it is almost certain that hillary is out.......and yes jeb is running in 5 th place............

You must be listening to the same people who told you Romney was winning last election.

Norman Bernstein
03-09-2015, 12:59 PM
Actually from what I hear all of the top 5 repub. candidates can easily beat hillary, and in order at this time is - walker,paul,cruz,carson and then jeb.

I'm sure you have 'heard' that.... from Breitbart, NewsMax, InfoWars, and other nonpartisan news services of high esteem :):)


But it really doesn't matter since it is almost certain that hillary is out.......

Really? Got that from the same sources, did ya?

Ron, nobody misunderstands your enthusiasm for the hard core right wing... and everyone is entitled to their own opinions. The difference between you, and an actual rational person, is that their enthusiasm is tempered by reality.... whereas yours is pumped up, like the cheerleaders at a Friday night high school football game. We can go back in the bilge time machine to see what you were saying in 2011, about the 2012 election.... think we'll find the same pattern? :)

John of Phoenix
03-09-2015, 03:52 PM
we think we can beat him..And all the other clowns in the car too.

TomF
03-09-2015, 04:01 PM
Eh? No way. I also think he's the best of a pretty sorry lot of plausible Republican candidates, but that most certainly does NOT mean I want him to get elected. There was once a time when I voted for some Republicans. The changes in the party over the past 20 years have ensured that I will almost certainly never vote for any Republican ever again.That he may seem the best of a sorry lot to Democrats makes it almost certain he'll not get the GOP Candidacy.

htom
03-09-2015, 09:16 PM
Condolezza Rice (and Bill Whittle for veep.)

Cuyahoga Chuck
03-09-2015, 10:00 PM
Jeb's father put Clarence Thomas on the US Supreme Court and his brother was a vantriloquist dummy for VP Cheney. Plus he almost bankrupted the country. If Jeb has had better ideas they certainly didn't take hold in his own family.

Cuyahoga Chuck
03-09-2015, 10:04 PM
Norm -

Actually from what I hear all of the top 5 repub. candidates can easily beat hillary, and in order at this time is - walker,paul,cruz,carson and then jeb.

But it really doesn't matter since it is almost certain that hillary is out.......and yes jeb is running in 5 th place............

Thanks for doing your part. Without your nonsense Norman would be hard up for targets.

TomF
03-09-2015, 10:05 PM
Condolezza Rice (and Bill Whittle for veep.)Condi's certainly smarter than anyone else the Reps have elevated. Her history with Bush is unfortunate, but she may be the best option, if she chooses to run.

leikec
03-09-2015, 10:07 PM
Jeb's father put Clarence Thomas on the US Supreme Court and his brother was a vantriloquist dummy for VP Cheney. Plus he almost bankrupted the country. If Jeb has had better ideas they certainly didn't take hold in his own family.

H.W. Bush also appointed David Souter.

Jeff C

Cuyahoga Chuck
03-09-2015, 10:38 PM
H.W. Bush also appointed David Souter.

Jeff C

Souter seemed to be a qualified jurist. But when he was promoted he was assumed to be much more conservative then he turned out to be. Next time they settled on Thomas because he was so rightwing his spine was curved. Thomas' vote can usually be guessed at even before the orals are made. And Thomas could be around for another 20 years.

htom
03-09-2015, 11:37 PM
Condi's certainly smarter than anyone else the Reps have elevated. Her history with Bush is unfortunate, but she may be the best option, if she chooses to run.

Sadly, she has repeatedly, very firmly, declined. If the Democrats would ask her to run as a Democrat to save the country, she might. Other than that, I don't think we see it.

skuthorp
03-10-2015, 05:42 AM
So, unless Hill's emails get up and bite her bigtime you may be looking at two 'royal' families contesting for the top job.
But I like the idea of Rice contesting as a Dem. It would make the mockery of the party system complete and reveal it for the 'professional political in club' that it really is.:D

Canoez
03-10-2015, 05:47 AM
And where do you hear that?

The Echo Chamber? :D

Garret
03-10-2015, 07:21 AM
Twenty five years of Bushes and Clintions is too much. Where is the rest of America's best and brightest?

No argument from me!

As Robert Heinlein (speaking of libertarians) said: Anyone who volunteers to run for the office should be immediately disqualified. The only person we want in there is someone who must be dragged in licking & screaming.

That may be slightly paraphrased - I didn't have the exact quote in front of me.

TomF
03-10-2015, 07:57 AM
No argument from me!

As Robert Heinlein (speaking of libertarians) said: Anyone who volunteers to run for the office should be immediately disqualified. The only person we want in there is someone who must be dragged in licking & screaming.

That may be slightly paraphrased - I didn't have the exact quote in front of me.Simone Weil said something similar, but she can't be trusted. Weil was a Socialist, and hadn't even the sense to consolidate her audience appeal by being a Godless one. :D

Garret
03-10-2015, 08:12 AM
Simone Weil said something similar, but she can't be trusted. Weil was a Socialist, and hadn't even the sense to consolidate her audience appeal by being a Godless one. :D

I think Gore Vidal also said something like that. ;)

jclays
03-10-2015, 10:05 AM
False comparison. Hillary is a Clinton by marriage, not blood.
Samething. You"ll still have the same clan.

RonW
03-10-2015, 10:22 AM
Thanks for doing your part. Without your nonsense Norman would be hard up for targets.

I enjoy norm's post,they just go to show you how easy it is to convince low information voters of some really stupid political jargon...Don't knock my buddy norman..

He is one of the main instigators, or shall we say contributor ..

htom
03-10-2015, 10:53 AM
I don't know if it's Heinlein or not; there are a couple of his characters who could say that.

Cuyahoga Chuck
03-11-2015, 08:12 PM
Time Magazine just did a profile of Jeb bush. He was Joe Rightwing when he started which didn't get him elected. He moderated his public pronouncements and becme governor. But he governed from the far right. And his pre-political carreer was loaded with investmwnts that paid gigantic returns. The media are not going to let that go unnotest.