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RodB
02-24-2015, 01:13 PM
I received this last week and thought it would be a very interesting thread as Chris Kyle had been a subject on two threads on this forum. I'm betting most will find this very interesting.

RodB





A Texas Goodbye...

This was sent to me by a friend…..It was about appreciation and love of our fellow human beings.
We all probably remember Chris Kyle the greatest sniper of all times and how he was murdered.
This is a story about his funeral but it ends up being more than a funeral.
Don’t miss the last paragraph.


Chris Kyle was Derek's teammate through 10 years of training and battle. They both suffer/suffered from PTSD to some extent and took great care of each other because of it.
2006 in Ramadi was horrible for young men that never had any more aggressive physical contact with another human than on a Texas football field.
They lost many friends. Chris became the armed services number #1 sniper of all time. Not something he was happy about, other than the fact that in so doing, he saved a lot of American lives.
Three years ago, his wife Taya asked him to leave the SEAL teams as he had a huge bounty on his head by Al Qaeda. He did and wrote the book "The American Sniper." 100% of the proceeds from the book went to two of the SEAL families who had lost their sons in Iraq .
That was the kind of guy Chris was. He formed a company in Dallas to train military, police and I think firemen as far as protecting themselves in difficult situations. He also formed a foundation to work with military people suffering from PTSD. Chris was a giver not a taker.
He, along with a friend and neighbor, Chad Littlefield, were murdered trying to help a young man that had served six months in Iraq and claimed to have PTSD.


Now I need to tell you about all of the blessings.

Southwest Airlines flew in any SEAL and their family from any airport they flew into free of charge.
The employees donated buddy passes and one lady worked for four days without much of a break to see that it happened.
Volunteers were at both airports in Dallas to drive them to the hotel.


The Marriott Hotel reduced their rates to $45 a night and cleared the hotel for only SEALs and family.
The Midlothian, TX Police Department paid the $45 a night for each room. I would guess there were about 200 people staying at the hotel, 100 of them were SEALs. Two large buses were chartered (an unknown donor paid the bill) to transport people to the different events and they also had a few rental cars (donated). The police and secret service were on duty 24 hours during the stay at our hotel.


At the Kyle house, the Texas DPS parked a large motor home in front to block the view from reporters. It remained there the entire five days for the SEALs to congregate in and all to use the restroom so as not to have to go in the house. Taya, their two small children and both sets of parents were staying in the home.
Only a hand full of SEALs went into the home as they had different duties and meetings were held sometimes on a hourly basis. It was a huge coordination of many different events and security. Derek was assigned to be a Pall Bearer, to escort Chris' body when it was transferred from the Midlothian Funeral Home to the Arlington Funeral Home, and to be with Taya. A tough job.


Taya seldom came out of her bedroom. The house was full with people from the church and other family members that would come each day to help. I spent one morning in a bedroom with Chris' mom and the next morning with Chad Littlefield's parents (the other man murdered with Chris). A tough job.
George W Bush and his wife Laura met and talked to everyone on the Seal Team one on one. They went behind closed doors with Taya for quite a while. They had prayer with us all. You can tell when people were sincere and caring


Nolan Ryan sent his cooking team, a huge grill and lots of steaks, chicken and hamburgers. They set up in the front yard and fed people all day long including the 200 SEALs and their families. The next day a local BBQ restaurant set up a buffet in front of the house and fed all once again. Food was plentiful and all were taken care of. The family's church kept those inside the house well fed.

Jerry Jones, the man everyone loves to hate, was a rock star. He made sure that we all were taken care of. His wife and he were just making sure everyone was taken care of....Class... He donated the use of Cowboy Stadium for the services as it was determined that so many wanted to attend. The charter buses transported us to the stadium on Monday at 10:30 am. Every car, bus, motorcycle was searched with bomb dogs and police. I am not sure if kooks were making threats trying to make a name for themselves or if so many SEALs in one place was a security risk, I don't know. We willingly obliged. No purses went into the stadium!
We were taken to The Legends room high up and a large buffet was available. That was for about 300 people. We were growing.
A Medal of Honor recipient was there, lots of secret service and police and Sarah Palin and her husband. She looked nice, this was a very formal military service.


The service started at 1:00 pm and when we were escorted onto the field I was shocked. We heard that about 10,000 people had come to attend also. They were seated in the stadium seats behind us. It was a beautiful and emotional service.
The Bagpipe and drum corps were wonderful and the Texas A&M men's choir stood through the entire service and sang right at the end. We were all in tears.
The next day was the 200-mile procession from Midlothian , TX to Austin for burial. It was a cold, drizzly, windy day, but the people were out. We had dozens of police motorcycles riders, freedom riders, five chartered buses and lots of cars. You had to have a pass to be in the procession and still it was huge.
Two helicopters circled the procession with snipers sitting out the side door for protection. It was the longest funeral procession ever in the state of Texas. People were everywhere. The entire route was shut down ahead of us, the people were lined up on the side of the road the entire way. Firemen were down on one knee, police officers were holding their hats over their hearts, children waving flags, veterans saluting as we went by. Every bridge had fire trucks with large flags displayed from their tall ladders, people all along the entire 200 miles were standing in the cold weather.
It was so heartwarming.


Taya rode in the hearse with Chris' body so Derek rode the route with us. I was so grateful to have that time with him.
The service was at Texas National Cemetery. Very few are buried there and you have to apply to get in. It is like people from the Civil War, Medal of Honor winners, a few from the Alamo and all the historical people of Texas.

It was a nice service and the Freedom Riders surrounded the outside of the entire cemetery to keep the crazy church people from Kansas that protest at military funerals away from us.


Each SEAL put his Trident (metal SEAL badge) on the top of Chris' casket, one at a time. A lot hit it in with one blow. Derek was the only one to take four taps to put his in and it was almost like he was caressing it as he did it. Another tearful moment.


After the service Governor Rick Perry and his wife, Anita, invited us to the governor's mansion. She stood at the door, greeted each of us individually, and gave each of the SEALs a coin of Texas. She was a sincere, compassionate, and gracious hostess.
We were able to tour the ground floor and then went into the garden for beverages and BBQ. So many of the Seal team guys said that after they get out they are moving to Texas. They remarked that they had never felt so much love and hospitality. The charter buses then took the guys to the airport to catch their returning flights. Derek just now called and after a 20 hours flight he is back in his spot, in a dangerous land on the other side of the world, protecting America
We just wanted to share with you, the events of a quite emotional, but blessed week.



Punch-line:
To this day, no one in the White House has ever acknowledged Chris Kyle.
However, the President can call some sport person and congratulate him on announcing to the world that he is gay??? What the hell is happening to our society, our honor and our pride?? This President is a(you can add the rest)
Please, keep this moving!
"IN GOD WE TRUST"

ccmanuals
02-24-2015, 01:27 PM
So, I hear all the RWWinger's are freaking out that their movie didn't win much of anything at the Oscar's.

The Bigfella
02-24-2015, 01:28 PM
Yes, very interesting, very tragic.

Point of order...

"... greatest sniper of all times..." appears early and devalues to story to pap.

Google up Simo Hayha... among others

LeeG
02-24-2015, 01:32 PM
Punchline?

switters
02-24-2015, 01:34 PM
there are a few items in the article that make my BS meter twitch. Particularly the Texas National Cemetery part.

Captain Intrepid
02-24-2015, 01:40 PM
I do find it interesting. I find it interesting how the piece is being used to take partisan political snipes (no pun intended), and denigrate those with mental illness. Disgraceful.

Norman Bernstein
02-24-2015, 01:41 PM
Christopher Scott "Chris" Kyle (April 8, 1974 - February 2, 2013) was a United States Navy SEAL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_SEALs) and the most lethal sniper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniper) in U.S. military history with 160 confirmed kills. Kyle served four tours (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour_of_duty) in the Iraq War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War) and was awarded several commendations for acts of heroism and meritorious service in combat. He received two Silver Star Medals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Star_Medal), five Bronze Star Medals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Star_Medal), one Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commendation_Medal), two Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achievement_Medal) [7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Kyle#cite_note-American_Sniper-7) and numerous other unit and personal awards.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Kyle#cite_note-8)

Chris Kyle was honored with numerous awards for his service.... one of the most honored veterans, in fact. He retired in 2009, and was not, at the time of his death, serving.

If the death of a serviceman with high honors required specific Presidential mention, then the President would likely be doing little else. Every year, NUMEROUS highly honored veterans pass away, for reasons unconnected with service.

This is just yet another hit job on Obama, an expectation of something which wouldn't be called for, for any other President.

BETTY-B
02-24-2015, 01:41 PM
Punch-line:
To this day, no one in the White House has ever acknowledged Chris Kyle.
However, the President can call some sport person and congratulate him on announcing to the world that he is gay??? What the hell is happening to our society, our honor and our pride?? This President is a(you can add the rest)
Please, keep this moving!
"IN GOD WE TRUST"


Effing hilarious!! Of course everything the modern right says is a joke.

CWSmith
02-24-2015, 01:44 PM
Punchline?

Yes. It was clearly intended to punch Obama. I think this garbage devalues the life and memory of an American soldier.

kelso
02-24-2015, 02:15 PM
I don't know right from left in politics, but I do know this thread is better suited for pump-and-dump than the Bilge. There's no honor or integrity in using Kyle's name for any post other than to discuss the tragic circumstances leading to his death or to celebrate the reasons why he lived and served.

Tom Montgomery
02-24-2015, 02:20 PM
Playing politics with the tragic murder of a veteran.

Despicable, RodB, but not surprising.

jonboy
02-24-2015, 02:27 PM
thankyou for the balance Bigfella this glorification of murderers for political gain does get somewhat tiresome.

Osborne Russell
02-24-2015, 02:32 PM
If Texas secedes I would be happy if they would adopt the name or at least the nickname "The Real America". That way it could be tossed onto the crap heap with them.

jonboy
02-24-2015, 02:34 PM
I received this last week and thought it would be a very interesting thread as Chris Kyle had been a subject on two threads on this forum. I'm betting most will find this very interesting.

RodB "it was about love and appreciation of our fellow human beings....." all 160 of them ??

John of Phoenix
02-24-2015, 02:37 PM
How much of the $600,000,000 plus box office from American Sniper has Clint donated to Veterans' causes?

RodB
02-24-2015, 03:10 PM
Why should anyone fight for this nation when you look at the comments on this thread... despicable... just despicable.

I posted the message the way it came to me... the last paragraph is part of the story of our nation currently. I did not think it proper to delete it. IF the point wasn't valid... much less would have been posted.

RodB

RodB
02-24-2015, 03:12 PM
Chris Kyle was honored with numerous awards for his service.... one of the most honored veterans, in fact. He retired in 2009, and was not, at the time of his death, serving.

If the death of a serviceman with high honors required specific Presidential mention, then the President would likely be doing little else. Every year, NUMEROUS highly honored veterans pass away, for reasons unconnected with service.

This is just yet another hit job on Obama, an expectation of something which wouldn't be called for, for any other President.


This reminds me of how long the Obama administration left the marine in prison in Mexico that drove across the border by mistake. The point in the final paragraph is well made.

R

John of Phoenix
02-24-2015, 03:13 PM
the last paragraph is part of the story of our nation currently. The last paragraph is the only reason you posted it.

Norman Bernstein
02-24-2015, 03:14 PM
I'll tell you what is despicable: the use of the name and reputation of Chris Kyle, in order to score political points.

RodB
02-24-2015, 03:22 PM
I'll tell you what is despicable: the use of the name and reputation of Chris Kyle, in order to score political points.

The despicable part was the majority of the posts that followed the OP....

R

CK 17
02-24-2015, 03:26 PM
This reminds me of how long the Obama administration left the marine in prison in Mexico that drove across the border by mistake. The point in the final paragraph is well made.

R
No marine would blunder over a border by mistake.

RodB
02-24-2015, 03:28 PM
No marine would blunder over a border by mistake.

You are wrong... did you ever see the area where several news folks made videos of the area... you have no idea what you are talking about.

RodB

BETTY-B
02-24-2015, 03:28 PM
Why should anyone fight for this nation when you look at the comments on this thread... despicable... just despicable.

RodB

Yep, your words are pathetic. Fortunately for you, our soldiers will still fight for your right to use them for your anti-American rhetoric.

RodB
02-24-2015, 03:31 PM
Yep, your words are pathetic. Fortunately for you, our soldiers will still fight for your right to use them for your anti-American rhetoric.

The anti american sentiments come from this president and of course many liberals. Take a look at a few thousand posts in the bilge and you will find anti americanism prevalent.

RodB

LeeG
02-24-2015, 03:32 PM
So is a Texas Goodbye where you end with a whiny partisan rant as the eulogy?

Flying Orca
02-24-2015, 03:33 PM
The anti american sentiments come from this president and of course many liberals. Take a look at a few thousand posts in the bilge and you will find anti americanism prevalent.

Stuff and nonsense. America is well-loved in the Bilge, particularly by those who would make her even greater. One needn't employ the regressive's rose-tinted rearview mirror to love the USA.

Norman Bernstein
02-24-2015, 03:33 PM
The anti american sentiments come from this president and of course many liberals. Take a look at a few thousand posts in the bilge and you will find anti americanism prevalent.


Tread carefully.... many people, including ME, don't take kindly to accusations of being anti-American.... especially when it's a plain old LIE!

John of Phoenix
02-24-2015, 03:34 PM
especially when it's a plain old LIE!It's not a lie, it's psychotic.

skuthorp
02-24-2015, 03:34 PM
Why should anybody fight in a war manufactured for personal, political and commercial advancement on false premises?

Kyle and his compatriots were used for ideological and commercial profit by men and women who should be in Gitmo themselves.

Which does not of course lessen the honour they as servicemen and women should be accorded by the State or the care they should be accorded as veterans. Or the care due to the families of those who did not return.
The two things are distinctly different.
As to the Texas show, it smacks of jingoism, but I'm sure most taking part had sincere feelings.

Norman Bernstein
02-24-2015, 03:34 PM
Speaking of this supposedly anti-American President... does this sound like someone who is anti-American?


“I stand here knowing that my story is part of the larger American story, that I owe a debt to all of those who came before me, and that in no other country on Earth is my story even possible. Tonight, we gather to affirm the greatness of our nation not because of the height of our skyscrapers, or the power of our military, or the size of our economy; our pride is based on a very simple premise, summed up in a declaration made over two hundred years ago: ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.’ That is the true genius of America.”
–July 27, 2004 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19751-2004Jul27.html)

“These people are a part of me. And they are part of America, this country that I love.”

–March 18, 2008 (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88478467)
“The times are too serious, the stakes are too high for this same partisan playbook. So let us agree that patriotism has no party. I love this country, and so do you, and so does John McCain.”

–August 28, 2008 (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/us/politics/28text-obama.html?pagewanted=all)
“The United States has been one of the greatest sources of progress that the world has ever known.”

–June 4, 2009 (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-cairo-university-6-04-09)
“Each time I look at that flag, I’m reminded that our destiny is stitched together like those 50 stars and those 13 stripes. No one built this country on their own. This nation is great because we built it together. This nation is great because we worked as a team. This nation is great because we get each other’s backs. And if we hold fast to that truth, in this moment of trial, there is no challenge too great; no mission too hard.”

–Jan. 24, 2012 (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/01/24/remarks-president-state-union-address)“We keep our eyes fixed on that distant horizon knowing that providence is with us and that we are surely blessed to be citizens of the greatest nation on Earth.”

–Sept. 6, 2012 (http://www.npr.org/2012/09/06/160713941/transcript-president-obamas-convention-speech)
“I just spoke to Governor Romney and I congratulated him and Congressman Ryan on a hard-fought campaign. We may have battled fiercely, but it is only because we love this country deeply and we care so much about its future….What makes America exceptional are the bonds that hold together the most diverse nation on Earth, the belief that our destiny is shared, that this country only works when we except certain obligations to one another and the future generations so that the freedom which so many Americans have fought for and died for comes with responsibilities as well as rights, and among those are love, and charity, and duty, and patriotism. That’s what makes America great.”

–Nov. 7, 2012 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/president-obamas-full-acceptance-speech/story?id=17661896&singlePage=true)
“If we refocus our energies on building an economy that grows for everybody, and gives every child in this country a fair chance at success, then I remain confident that the future still looks brighter than the past, and that the best days for this country we love are still ahead.”

–Dec. 4, 2013 (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/12/04/remarks-president-economic-mobility)
“I believe in American exceptionalism with every fiber of my being. But what makes us exceptional is not our ability to flout international norms and the rule of law; it is our willingness to affirm them through our actions.”

–May 28, 2014 (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/05/28/remarks-president-united-states-military-academy-commencement-ceremony)

RodB
02-24-2015, 03:46 PM
Speaking of this supposedly anti-American President... does this sound like someone who is anti-American?

Oh, he's a good speaker with a well written speech and a teleprompter...but his actions illustrate he is a lawless ideologue with an over-riding drive to push the liberal ideology on this nation whether the people like it or not.

RodB

skuthorp
02-24-2015, 03:49 PM
"Oh, he's a good speaker with a well written speech and a teleprompter...but his actions illustrate he is a lawless ideologue with an over-riding drive to push the …………... ideology on this nation whether the people like it or not. "

Interesting quote RodB, applies nicely to the Cheney admin. as well.

Glen Longino
02-24-2015, 03:51 PM
Oh, he's a good speaker with a well written speech and a teleprompter...but his actions illustrate he is a lawless ideologue with an over-riding drive to push the liberal ideology on this nation whether the people like it or not.

RodB

I see you have Not taken my advice to visit your nearest Psychoanalyst!

S.V. Airlie
02-24-2015, 03:54 PM
Oh, he's a good speaker with a well written speech and a teleprompter...but his actions illustrate he is a lawless ideologue with an over-riding drive to push the liberal ideology on this nation whether the people like it or not.

RodBYou insist saying he is lawless! Has anyone sued him? Bonehead threatens to but, it's HOT AIR! Why doesn't he? Why because what he has done regarding immigration IS legal!

Vince Brennan
02-24-2015, 04:01 PM
Rod... has your mirror fogged over yet?

John of Phoenix
02-24-2015, 04:01 PM
You insist saying he is lawless! Has anyone sued him? Bonehead threatens to but, it's HOT AIR! Why doesn't he? Why because what he has done regarding immigration IS legal!Sue him? A US President guilty of the crimes reds are talking about should be impeached with great haste. Their failure to impeach him is gutless and treasonous.

Tom Montgomery
02-24-2015, 04:04 PM
Rod... has your mirror fogged over yet?
Do you see an actual reflection?

RodB
02-24-2015, 04:12 PM
You insist saying he is lawless! Has anyone sued him? Bonehead threatens to but, it's HOT AIR! Why doesn't he? Why because what he has done regarding immigration IS legal!

Knock, knock... hello... Obama has been sued and ruled against 13 times already...by the Supreme 'Court. this current decision in Texas stopped his immigration dictator type edict.

The Speaker of the house etc are in the process of suing over Obamas over-reach with executive action.

RodB

Flying Orca
02-24-2015, 04:24 PM
he is a lawless ideologue

Tell you what, let's have Obama and Biden visit the International Criminal Court with GW Bush and Cheney. We'll see which pair attracts the most legal attention, mmmkay?


with an over-riding drive to push the liberal ideology on this nation whether the people like it or not.

Boo-frackin'-hoo. Most of the people do like it, that's why they elected him. You regressives can keep whining - it's music to my ears!

Phillip Allen
02-24-2015, 04:24 PM
So, I hear all the RWWinger's are freaking out that their movie didn't win much of anything at the Oscar's.

dismissed, out of hand...SOP

bobbys
02-24-2015, 04:29 PM
Rod ,you really have them worked up!

Rum_Pirate
02-24-2015, 04:32 PM
So, I hear all the RWWinger's are freaking out that their movie didn't win much of anything at the Oscar's.

How is 'American Sniper' - based on a true story - a Right Wing movie?

Do you regard the experiences of armed forces personnel as being 'Right Wing' ?


PS Would you like to post a source where you heard that "all the RWWinger's are freaking out that their movie didn't win much of anything at the Oscar's", or are you just making it all up and fabricating stuff?

Rum_Pirate
02-24-2015, 04:34 PM
Speaking of this supposedly anti-American President... does this sound like someone who is anti-American?

Everyone can pick and chose comments. |;)

Tom Montgomery
02-24-2015, 04:34 PM
Rod ,you really have them worked up!
Yep.

He really enjoys stirring the pot!

http://www.thenewstyle.org/hernandez/blogstuff/toilet_doo.jpg

RodB
02-24-2015, 04:35 PM
=Flying Orca;4461102]Tell you what, let's have Obama and Biden visit the International Criminal Court with GW Bush and Cheney. We'll see which pair attracts the most legal attention, mmmkay?


Bush and Cheney have been out of office quite a while... what are you going on about. We are talking about the current "dictator wanna be" Obama who has decided to run rampant with executive edicts till out of office to improve the record of his administration. He will likely end up as being seen as an "out of control" president with multiple stupid acts that were all reversed by the courts. He will also be remembered as a piss poor leader... for sure...and a president who was clueless as a "in the trenches" politician with no ability to find any common ground or to compromise at all.


You would have thought this thread would have been full of "He was a damn good soldier and worked hard to help his brothers "...but then the polarization sickness set in.

RodB

Tom Wilkinson
02-24-2015, 04:44 PM
dismissed, out of hand...SOP

Not hardly. It was nominated for six awards. Not even close to being dismissed out of hand. What alternate reality do you live in?

Tom Montgomery
02-24-2015, 04:48 PM
You would have thought this thread would have been full of "He was a damn good soldier and worked hard to help his brothers "...but then the polarization sickness set in.
You are a trip!

For a complete understanding of "polarization sickness" go back and re-read the last paragraph of your op. :rolleyes:

ccmanuals
02-24-2015, 04:50 PM
How is 'American Sniper' - based on a true story - a Right Wing movie?

Do you regard the experiences of armed forces personnel as being 'Right Wing' ?


PS Would you like to post a source where you heard that "all the RWWinger's are freaking out that their movie didn't win much of anything at the Oscar's", or are you just making it all up and fabricating stuff?

Did I say it was a RW movie? Better read it again Rum.

jerryrichter
02-24-2015, 05:01 PM
Apparantly the people liked it enough to have elected him twice.

Oh, he's a good speaker with a well written speech and a teleprompter...but his actions illustrate he is a lawless ideologue with an over-riding drive to push the liberal ideology on this nation whether the people like it or not.

RodB

Flying Orca
02-24-2015, 05:17 PM
what are you going on about.

Here's what I'm going on about, Puddles. Your RWW darlings Bush and Cheney lied to get the US into a war that killed around half a million people and left the entire region destabilized just so they could make a few gazillion dollars. The International Criminal Court took a rather dim view. You have yet to demonstrate that your current president has broken any law; he certainly hasn't embroiled the US in a war that killed half a million people in order to make himself and his cronies rich.

So which is the bigger criminal?

Phillip Allen
02-24-2015, 06:19 PM
Rod ,you really have them worked up!

you COULD mention Sarah Palin and get them even MORE worked up :)

Phillip Allen
02-24-2015, 06:19 PM
How is 'American Sniper' - based on a true story - a Right Wing movie?

Do you regard the experiences of armed forces personnel as being 'Right Wing' ?


PS Would you like to post a source where you heard that "all the RWWinger's are freaking out that their movie didn't win much of anything at the Oscar's", or are you just making it all up and fabricating stuff?

yes... he does

S.V. Airlie
02-24-2015, 06:42 PM
Knock, knock... hello... Obama has been sued and ruled against 13 times already...by the Supreme 'Court. this current decision in Texas stopped his immigration dictator type edict.

The Speaker of the house etc are in the process of suing over Obamas over-reach with executive action.

RodBKNOCK, KNOCK, Portions have been overturned, correct but, not his executive order on immigration which bonehead was hot to trot to do! AND for some reason, left whimpering of his pedestal. Haven't heard from him since over that threat.

S.V. Airlie
02-24-2015, 06:43 PM
How is 'American Sniper' - based on a true story - a Right Wing movie?

Do you regard the experiences of armed forces personnel as being 'Right Wing' ?


PS Would you like to post a source where you heard that "all the RWWinger's are freaking out that their movie didn't win much of anything at the Oscar's", or are you just making it all up and fabricating stuff?There's your answer Rum!

Chris Coose
02-24-2015, 06:46 PM
Despicable, RodB, but not surprising.

The posting of this thread is just more bullsh!t added to this guy's pile of disgrace.

Chris Coose
02-24-2015, 06:50 PM
No marine would blunder over a border by mistake.
A drunk, disoriented one certainly could and with loaded guns hanging out all over his car.

Captain Intrepid
02-24-2015, 07:02 PM
You would have thought this thread would have been full of "He was a damn good soldier and worked hard to help his brothers "...but then the polarization sickness set in.

RodB

I can't say if he was a good soldier or not, and I can't say if he was a good man or not, as I didn't know him or serve with him, and I don't know anyone who did. All I know is what the right wing media has told me. I don't think anyone wants to be judged through the lens of the media.

On the other hand, I will agree the the polarization sickness set in... with your inflammatory OP.

If you love America, perhaps you should try to heal the divide, instead of twisting the knife of partisanship in Her back?

Peter Malcolm Jardine
02-24-2015, 08:35 PM
When I first saw the trailers and commercials announcing movie "America Sniper", I thought I might see it. I like Clint Eastwood as a director producer, and it was a poignant story. Then I started to see the incredible unfolding of all the politics and culture surrounding this man, this film, and the view of war by some Americans. I have to say it is now gone beyond the border of bizarre.

"The greatest American sniper of all time". I don't know what that means, beyond the number of KILLS this man made on the field of battle. To many Americans it seems this title is worthy of the same respect as a great doctor, or inventor, that we should celebrate the killing of other people in the same way we view our advances in other fields. That's just weird. I don't doubt Chris Kyle did his duty. I think soldiers should be cared for and appreciated for what they sacrifice in the course of their work. The Chris Kyle story, however, has turned into a strange and twisted celebration of death and killing and war, and any criticism directed even in the same direction as the story results in a violent condemnation of someone's intent, patriotism, and ethics. I can't comment on what Chris Kyle would think, and he can't either. The whole story is getting buried in a demented spiral of politics and hate.

The appearance of anyone VIP around Chris Kyle's murder trial, his funeral, and the movie has become so politicized, it's like a red carpet of bizarre patriotic thrashing. I don't know if anyone here has followed Professor Sophia Mclennden's comments on the movie "American Sniper" on Salon, and the resulting fallout. She is a professor of International Affairs and Comparative Literature at Pennsylvania State University. She wrote a piece commenting on the movie, and then proceeded to endure an incredible barrage of insults and threats. Some of the comments bordered on rabid psychotic. I found myself thinking that radical Islam and radical anything else are not far different. Even darker, it seems the rhetoric around conflict in the world is ramping up, become more enraged and polarized. Troubling stuff, it is the language of aggression and war.

RodB
02-24-2015, 08:43 PM
The movie is simply about the sacrifices the military folks make to serve and the sacrifices of their families. His success as a sniper was far from the essence of the film's theme.

The OP simply showed the turnout for this man after his untimely death and the generosity of the people who admired his accomplishments and character. You might watch some of his interviews from the past.

RodB

S.V. Airlie
02-24-2015, 08:44 PM
It's 90% hollyyyywood.

Osborne Russell
02-24-2015, 09:05 PM
I can't say if he was a good soldier or not, and I can't say if he was a good man or not, as I didn't know him or serve with him, and I don't know anyone who did.

Other things being equal, the best soldier is the one who works in close cooperation with his comrades. A sniper could be a prima donna, though he doesn't need to be. Anyway, Ayn Rand is against the cooperation part so Reds love snipers. Shoot, kill, end of story. The heroic individual. All that politics and logistics . . . B O R I N G

Peter Malcolm Jardine
02-24-2015, 09:13 PM
The movie is simply about the sacrifices the military folks make to serve and the sacrifices of their families. His success as a sniper was far from the essence of the film's theme.

The OP simply showed the turnout for this man after his untimely death and the generosity of the people who admired his accomplishments and character. You might watch some of his interviews from the past.

RodB

I have watched a lot of his interviews on the news, and in a couple of documentaries about his life. He seems a reasonable human being, but.... I have suspicions about someone who so succinctly defends his killing of human beings. I would think that deep inside there is some conflict and damage from such a job. The changes in the movie about specific events is unfortunate. I think accuracy is important in such a subject. The movie is what it is ... designed to make money for Hollywood.... the reaction to it, and Chris Kyle's death is what I'm talking about.

Osborne Russell
02-24-2015, 09:27 PM
After Coming Home, the quicker you die, the less PTSD. May never even set in.

Whatever values you had going in, you had to repress them to keep the sight on the target at the instant the weapon fires. A guy who's good can really empty his mind.

Then he comes home and the values come back. Accept, reject, modify? The idea that you go back to who you were is absurd.

RodB
02-24-2015, 11:19 PM
Chris Kyle's murderer found guilty tonight ... automatic life sentence.



Jury Returns Guilty Verdict in 'American Sniper' Trial




An Erath County jury has found former Marine Eddie Ray Routh guilty in the murders of "American Sniper" author and former Navy SEAL Chris Kyle and his friend Chad Littlefield.

With the state not seeking the death penalty, a guilty verdict gives Routh an automatic life sentence without the possibility of parole.
Routh was silent for the reading of the verdict.
Kyle’s widow Taya Kyle was not present for the reading of the verdict, she angrily left the courtroom after the defense's closing statement and slammed the door behind her.
"We waited two years for God to get us justice for us on behalf of our son and as always God has proved to be faithful," Chad Littlefield's mother Judy said outside the courthouse. "We're so thrilled that we have the verdict that we have tonight."


The jury left the courtroom at 6:36 p.m. CT Tuesday but did not begin deliberations immediately, they first had dinner.
State District Judge Jason Cashon turned the case over to the Erath County jury Tuesday evening after about three hours of closing arguments.
There was no indication how long jurors would be asked to deliberate Tuesday evening.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Closing-Arguments-Begin-in-Eddie-Ray-Routh-Murder-Trial-293918521.html

RodB

Captain Intrepid
02-24-2015, 11:31 PM
I wonder the if the guy was actually guilty. Texas isn't exactly known for it's justice system being very just, particularly when it comes to mentally ill defendants.

Chip-skiff
02-25-2015, 12:37 AM
Given half a chance, I'll forget about Kyle and the highly-profitable movie (which I wouldn't watch if you paid me).

Texas be damned. If body count equates to heroism, then we've reached a pretty low standard for it.

Rum_Pirate
02-25-2015, 08:43 AM
Given half a chance, I'll forget about Kyle and the highly-profitable movie (which I wouldn't watch if you paid me).

Texas be damned. If body count equates to heroism, then we've reached a pretty low standard for it.


I suspect and would suggest that it is not the 'body count' that equated to heroism but the number of American lives he saved by doing is job - extremely well.

Norman Bernstein
02-25-2015, 08:57 AM
I suspect and would suggest that it is not the 'body count' that equated to heroism but the number of American lives he saved by doing is job.

We would save far more by simply dropping an atomic bomb on the countries where we get involved in a shooting war......

....if it saves lives, is it always honorable and glorious?

I guess I have a minority view of war.... I view it as sometimes necessary, but NEVER 'honorable' or 'glorious'.... there's nothing GOOD about waging war, even when it is necessary. This is the reason I don't want to see the film. I can easily see that Chris Kyle did his job, and was an honorable guy... but what he did was neither honorable, nor glorious.... just possibly necessary. I'd thank him for his service... but I don't think I'd describe him as a hero. There ARE no heroes in war.

Paul Pless
02-25-2015, 09:03 AM
norm goes off all extemporaneous with regards to what is and is not honorable in war, thus guaranteeing four more pages to this troll thread, minimum. . .
at least going forward it won't primarily be about obama. . .

Norman Bernstein
02-25-2015, 09:08 AM
norm goes off all extemporaneous with regards to what is and is not honorable in war, thus guaranteeing four more pages to this troll thread, minimum. . .
at least going forward it won't primarily be about obama. . .

Well, I've expressed these sentiments before, and didn't get much reaction... so maybe we WON'T go four more pages. Anyhow, it's how I feel about it.

John of Phoenix
02-25-2015, 09:09 AM
at least going forward it won't primarily be about obama. . .Standby.

Rum_Pirate
02-25-2015, 09:10 AM
We would save far more by simply dropping an atomic bomb on the countries where we get involved in a shooting war......

....if it saves lives, is it always honorable and glorious?

I guess I have a minority view of war.... I view it as sometimes necessary, but NEVER 'honorable' or 'glorious'.... there's nothing GOOD about waging war, even when it is necessary. This is the reason I don't want to see the film. I can easily see that Chris Kyle did his job, and was an honorable guy... but what he did was neither honorable, nor glorious.... just possibly necessary. I'd thank him for his service... but I don't think I'd describe him as a hero. There ARE no heroes in war.

So, in your view, in war saving lives is never honourable.

Duly acknowledged, no further comment forthcoming or necessary from me in that regard.

John of Phoenix
02-25-2015, 09:12 AM
Oh trust me, there's plenty of heroics in battle but "heroism" is much more about doing something FOR your buddies rather than TO your enemy.

Norman Bernstein
02-25-2015, 09:16 AM
So, in your view, in war saving lives is never honourable.

I didn't say that. I said 'WAR is never honorable'. Some actions of individuals can indeed be honorable, others are merely necessary, and don't convey honor. Saving lives may or may not be honorable; as my hypothetical points out, a nuclear bomb could save many lives... but would you describe it as honorable?


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TomF
02-25-2015, 09:16 AM
I suspect and would suggest that it is not the 'body count' that equated to heroism but the number of American lives he saved by doing is job - extremely well.I'm frequently surprised that the same logic isn't applied to drones. Much more "collateral damage" than when a single bullet goes wrong, but exactly the same logic for their use.

Norman Bernstein
02-25-2015, 09:19 AM
Oh trust me, there's plenty of heroics in battle but "heroism" is much more about doing something FOR your buddies rather than TO your enemy.

Excellent point. We often talk about the notion that behavior in war revolves far more about what soldiers do for their comrades, and talk very little about the aims of the war itself. Vietnam was a dishonorable war.... but there was certainly much honor in what soldiers did for one another.

THAT, to me, is the problem. The honor of fraternity is too often misapplied to the wars themselves. Honorable soldiers fighting in a dishonorable war is not uncommon.

TomF
02-25-2015, 09:28 AM
Honorable soldiers fighting in a dishonorable war is not uncommon.In fact, I'd argue it's a high percentage - which is why I'm all for "supporting the troops."

In many wars (though not all!) this could be said of soldiers on both sides. And causes.

Rum_Pirate
02-25-2015, 09:34 AM
I didn't say that. I said 'WAR is never honorable'. Some actions of individuals can indeed be honorable, others are merely necessary, and don't convey honor. Saving lives may or may not be honorable; as my hypothetical points out, a nuclear bomb could save many lives... but would you describe it as honorable?


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Then go and see ' Sniper' (or read the book) and state your position from an informed position, rather than an uninformed position.:rolleyes:

Norman Bernstein
02-25-2015, 09:41 AM
Then go and see ' Sniper' (or read the book) and state your position from an informed position, rather than an uninformed position.:rolleyes:

My opinion has nothing to do with 'American Sniper'.... it is not a requirement to see a specific movie, in order to have an opinion about a topic which clearly isn't encapsulated in a film drama. What 'information' will I get from the movie, which would possibly affect my beliefs about war? The film is a piece of fiction, and isn't a polemic or philosophical treatise on war.

I have ALWAYS believe that there is nothing glorious or honorable about war itself, and a popular film is hardly going to change that opinion.

If I recommended an anti-war film to you, would you consider it absolutely necessary to see it, or else be 'uninformed' on the topic? (I'm NOT 'anti-war', by the way... wars are sometimes necessary... but that's the best that can be said about war).

Chris Woodward
02-25-2015, 10:00 AM
Chris Kyle's heroism is best demonstrated in his reaching out and helping wounded vets. This should be his legacy and memory, not the amount of blood he let. I think that he and his family would say that this was his greatest gift to America.
Maybe, just maybe, if you really wanted to do something meaningful to honor Chris Kyle and all of the veterans that defend our freedoms, you would lobby these conservative representatives and advocate to fund the VA and ancillary health programs to heal the wounds and scars, both physical and mental, of our Wounded Warriors.
But probably not. That would require a financial sacrifice and a legitimization of "big government" that the right wing is not willing to make.

LeeG
02-25-2015, 10:07 AM
norm goes off all extemporaneous with regards to what is and is not honorable in war, thus guaranteeing four more pages to this troll thread, minimum. . .
at least going forward it won't primarily be about obama. . .

I sure won't try and make it about bbq-exit stage left

Canoeyawl
02-25-2015, 10:26 AM
Treating PTSD is probably better left to doctors and mental health professionals. Most of the vets that I know that were in serious combat situations can react very differently when there are live rounds being fired around them. You can see it when they go pale in the face and get that thousand yard stare...

John of Phoenix
02-25-2015, 10:47 AM
Treating PTSD is probably better left to doctors and mental health professionals. Most of the vets that I know that were in serious combat situations can react very differently when there are live rounds being fired around them. You can see it when they go pale in the face and get that thousand yard stare...When I watched the beach assault scene in "Saving Private Ryan", I was back in combat - tracers streaking everywhere, the crack of bullets in my ears, dry mouth, sweaty palms, tunnel vision, hyper alert, the whole pile of ****. I haven't seen a war movie since.

bobbys
02-25-2015, 11:21 AM
We would save far more by simply dropping an atomic bomb on the countries where we get involved in a shooting war......

....if it saves lives, is it always honorable and glorious?

I guess I have a minority view of war.... I view it as sometimes necessary, but NEVER 'honorable' or 'glorious'.... there's nothing GOOD about waging war, even when it is necessary. This is the reason I don't want to see the film. I can easily see that Chris Kyle did his job, and was an honorable guy... but what he did was neither honorable, nor glorious.... just possibly necessary. I'd thank him for his service... but I don't think I'd describe him as a hero. There ARE no heroes in war.
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Intresting point.
A hero may be someone running under fire to get a wounded man.

A person left behind to stall off the enemy while the group retreats.

. I asked my dad about Heros as he was on many Pacific landings.

He looked at me funny and said he did not understand what a hero would be.

It had to be a team effort.

One guy fires while another advances.

Team fires while the flamethrower works.

Anyone acting different endangers the whole.

The sniper is part of the team..

My dad was most proud of his Presidential unit citation..

Unit.

Team.

We are lacking teams today.

John of Phoenix
02-25-2015, 11:27 AM
The Blue Team is doing just fine, TYVM.

Norman Bernstein
02-25-2015, 11:28 AM
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Intresting point.
A hero may be someone running under fire to get a wounded man.

A person left behind to stall off the enemy while the group retreats.

. I asked my dad about Heros as he was on many Pacific landings.

He looked at me funny and said he did not understand what a hero would be.

It had to be a team effort.

One guy fires while another advances.

Team fires while the flamethrower works.

Anyone acting different endangers the whole.

The sniper is part of the team..

My dad was most proud of his Presidential unit citation..

Unit.

Team.

We are lacking teams today.

Excellent points... and a bit surprising, since it's about as far from a right wing libertarian view as possible. I do agree, however; we've de-emphasized teams, when in fact, it's really about cooperation and cohesiveness, isn't it?

Canoeyawl
02-25-2015, 11:52 AM
Treating PTSD is probably better left to doctors and mental health professionals. Most of the vets that I know that were in serious combat situations can react very differently when there are live rounds being fired around them. You can see it when they go pale in the face and get that thousand yard stare...


When I watched the beach assault scene in "Saving Private Ryan", I was back in combat - tracers streaking everywhere, the crack of bullets in my ears, dry mouth, sweaty palms, tunnel vision, hyper alert, the whole pile of ****. I haven't seen a war movie since.

I have a friend, an old guy now, a big man, that for all outward appearances is completely normal. At the start of a yacht race some years ago the "cannon" was fired, sort of behind his back, and I noticed he went through some serious changes. He covered it up well, but he was visibly screwed up for the rest of the day at least. Not the first time I have seen this, and in our little sailing club the "cannon" (12 gauge) is no longer fired for any reason.
The forth of July must be hell.

Chris Woodward
02-25-2015, 12:01 PM
Excellent points... and a bit surprising, since it's about as far from a right wing libertarian view as possible. I do agree, however; we've de-emphasized teams, when in fact, it's really about cooperation and cohesiveness, isn't it?

The we being non vets. If you listen to any vet, they are all saying that it is about the team, the unit, the comrade, the brother in arms.

ccmanuals
02-25-2015, 12:16 PM
The more I think about it, the more upset I am that Bradley Cooper was snubbed at The Oscars on Sunday.

Hear me out. I know Cooper did not portray the kind of character or take on the kind of role that the snobs in Hollywood typically care for—it didn’t fit the traditional “Best Actor” mold. There was lots of violence in the film; he spent most of the movie brandishing a gun, and yes, the character was portrayed as something of a superhero in a situation with much bigger political issues at play that the movie only grazed.

But his sensitive portrayal of the scars his character endured—both physical and emotional—brought an unexpected pathos to a character who could otherwise have easily just been a cartoon character. Yes, he used a firearm. Yes, his partner was a little wooden. Yes, the accent was a little distracting at times. But none of those things should have disqualified Cooper from gaining the well-deserved recognition for breathing such life into a character that enthralled us all.

You know it. I know it. Deep down in their hearts, the Oscar voters know it. This year’s best performance was Bradley Cooper as Rocket Raccoon.

John of Phoenix
02-25-2015, 12:18 PM
The we being non vets. If you listen to any vet, they are all saying that it is about the team, the unit, the comrade, the brother in arms.I don't know who came up with this one but they clearly had no experience in the Army.

Whoever approved it must have been laughing their ass off on their way out the door to civilian life.

http://www.patriotfiles.com/gallery/data/632/medium/2armyone.gif

John of Phoenix
02-25-2015, 12:25 PM
This year’s best performance was Bradley Cooper as Rocket Raccoon.Get serious. A big honkin' phoney machine gun? And look at the bulge in the pants. Hollywood pandering to the reds.

Tom, I'm surprised you fell for it.

http://marveltoynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/MMS252-Rocket-Raccoon-Hot-Toys-Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Figure-e1405695658312-640x959.jpg

ccmanuals
02-25-2015, 12:35 PM
Come on John, you gotta love a raccoon with attitude. :)

John of Phoenix
02-25-2015, 02:21 PM
I do and it was a good performance but the Hawking story was... well it was better than any raccoon could match.