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S.V. Airlie
02-23-2015, 10:47 PM
Recent, either 1/16 or 2/16, 2015

GREENWOOD, S.C . | Along Main Street in a small South Carolina city, there is a war memorial honoring fallen World War I and II soldiers, dividing them into two categories: “white” and “colored.”Welborn Adams, Greenwood’s white Democratic-leaning mayor, believes the bronze plaques are relics of the South’s scarred past and should be changed in the spirit of equality, replaced like the “colored” water fountains or back entrances to the movie theater that blacks were once forced to use.
Yet the mayor’s attempt to put up new plaques was blocked by a state law that brought the Confederate flag down from the Statehouse dome in 2000. The law forbids altering historical monuments in any way without approval from legislators.
Historians, black and white, have reservations about replacing the plaques, saying they should serve as a reminder of the once-segregated U.S. military.
“Segregation was the accepted social order of that time,” said Eric Williams, who spent 32 years as a historian with the U.S. Park Service. “If we alter the monument, we alter its historical integrity.”
The memorial is owned by the American Legion post in Greenwood and is on city property. On two of its sides, it lists soldiers who died in World War I and World War II that were from Greenwood County. A third side lists Korean and Vietnam War dead from the county without any racial distinction because the military was integrated by that time.
Adams said he asked other South Carolina mayors and doesn’t know of any other similar memorials in the state. Several historians also said they haven’t heard of a monument where fallen soldiers are separated by race.

S.V. Airlie
02-23-2015, 10:48 PM
What would you do? Comments on the opinions on both sides? Figured it would be a good discussion. Then again....

BrianW
02-23-2015, 11:22 PM
I agree with Williams...


“Segregation was the accepted social order of that time,” said Eric Williams, who spent 32 years as a historian with the U.S. Park Service. “If we alter the monument, we alter its historical integrity.”

We don't need to forget racism, we just need to stop practicing it.

Glen Longino
02-23-2015, 11:34 PM
I agree with Brian.
Tampering with history to suit modern values is dishonest at best.
At worst, it denies the reality of segregation for those who suffered it.
Let them remain a reminder of our past and our progress.

Ian McColgin
02-23-2015, 11:38 PM
It's like cutting racist words from "Huck Finn". Better to learn the truth than falsify it.

Gerarddm
02-24-2015, 12:12 AM
D'accord, Ian and Glen and Brian.

Jim Bow
02-24-2015, 12:31 AM
Leave it alone. Don't pretend it wasn't like that during those wars. If it produces questions, answer them.

S.V. Airlie
02-24-2015, 01:10 AM
I agree! Glad I'n not the only one. Thought Ron/Hanley would have something to say though. I guess not. Probably looking for god and turning to the bible for advice!:)

Glen Longino
02-24-2015, 01:45 AM
I agree! Glad I'n not the only one. Thought Ron/Hanley would have something to say though. I guess not. Probably looking for god and turning to the bible for advice!:)

Anytime Ron/Hanley don't have anything to say is a Good Time!:)

CK 17
02-24-2015, 01:50 AM
Leave it. Learn from it.

bamamick
02-24-2015, 08:17 AM
Interesting. My initial response was to eliminate the separation between the soldiers, but your point is very valid and I understand it. Reminds me of questions I have asked of my German friends (very privately asked questions, of only very, very good friends) about what happened between the World Wars. I'd say that there are entire generations of German citizens who have never really discussed what happened to their country then, and that's kind of frightening in a lot of ways.

Mickey Lake

Vince Brennan
02-24-2015, 10:48 AM
I agree! Glad I'n not the only one. Thought Ron/Hanley would have something to say though. I guess not. Probably looking for god and turning to the bible for advice!:)Neither of them would care to expend the effort needed to comment as it provides no grounds to bash the Democrats, Pres. Obama or Mrs. Clinton.

RonW
02-24-2015, 10:54 AM
I agree with Brian.
Tampering with history to suit modern values is dishonest at best.
At worst, it denies the reality of segregation for those who suffered it.
Let them remain a reminder of our past and our progress.

Hey glen, just curious, but who wrote that for you ? Did your wife write it...if so she did a fine job ..

John Smith
02-24-2015, 11:07 AM
Might be worth adding something that explains why there are two monuments, if that explanation isn't already there.

oznabrag
02-24-2015, 04:50 PM
Interesting. My initial response was to eliminate the separation between the soldiers, but your point is very valid and I understand it. Reminds me of questions I have asked of my German friends (very privately asked questions, of only very, very good friends) about what happened between the World Wars. I'd say that there are entire generations of German citizens who have never really discussed what happened to their country then, and that's kind of frightening in a lot of ways.

Mickey Lake

Indeed.

People decide to despise me because I state the historical fact that slavery was legal in 1859.

Apparently, acknowledging that fact makes me an 'Antebellum Apologist'!

I don't know how deeply you have explored the work of Mark Twain, Mickey, but he gave us a short story called "The Man That Corrupted Hadleyville", and it is a brilliant,

funny, scathing commentary on those who would sweep things like this under the rug.

And Donn? If you want to take up the 'that/who' cudgel, you will have to see Mr. Clemens.