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Peerie Maa
02-21-2015, 04:52 PM
http://pioneerck18.org/page5/page6/files/stacks_image_8.jpg

http://pioneerck18.org/page5/page6/files/stacks_image_11.jpg

and after
http://pioneerck18.org/page5/page7/files/stacks_image_8.jpg

http://www.eastcoasteventsguide.co.uk/uploads/images/headers/Pioneer_banner.jpg

seanz
02-21-2015, 05:05 PM
I've seen worse.


Sadly, all of the links (I think it was a smack called Victorious?) and saved pics are on a dead hard-drive.

Peerie Maa
02-21-2015, 05:15 PM
I've seen worse.


Sadly, all of the links (I think it was a smack called Victorious?) and saved pics are on a dead hard-drive.

odd, try
http://pioneerck18.org/

CWSmith
02-21-2015, 05:15 PM
I confess I do not see the value to the wreckage other than taking off the lines and starting new.

Peerie Maa
02-21-2015, 05:29 PM
I confess I do not see the value to the wreckage other than taking off the lines and starting new.

It would seem that they did rebuild the hull by gradually replacing the degraded with new. This means that our National Historic Ships Register (http://www.nationalhistoricships.org.uk/register/1903/pioneer) is willing to designate her as original rather than a replica.



http://pioneerck18.org/page5/page7/files/stacks_image_324.jpg?663

seanz
02-21-2015, 06:13 PM
odd, try
http://pioneerck18.org/

No odder than I usually am before I finish first coffee...
http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?100215-Victorious-LN196-%28The-Wash%29

Michael D. Storey
02-21-2015, 06:15 PM
I confess I do not see the value to the wreckage other than taking off the lines and starting new.

About 30 years ago, I met two guys who had helped Chappelle take lines off of hulks one step short of peat moss. I participated in a project with the guy who worked with Chappelle at the Smithsonian, and I realize, here and now, actually, that those two events, plus reading and sketching, have caused me to knee-jerk to the 'take lines and let the tide do the rest' camp. Least I know where that came from. I will say that I have never seen anything so profoundly get yanked out of the grave. Maybe that means that I should try to get out more, but look, what made them do it? They must have been close enough to experience and technology to have been informed that this is neither a cost or time-effective way to make it through the night. Yeah. Why?

seanz
02-21-2015, 06:17 PM
Why?

True love?



:)

Peerie Maa
02-21-2015, 06:29 PM
No odder than I usually am before I finish first coffee...
http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?100215-Victorious-LN196-%28The-Wash%29

Ahhh So.

I thought that you were referring to the links to Pioneer not working, which would have been odd.

Try http://www.nationalhistoricships.org.uk/register/2654/Victorious

http://www.smackdock.co.uk/sum2000/page8.htm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGrdY0ZhAtA

Michael D. Storey
02-21-2015, 06:43 PM
True love?



:)
If you really love the boat, then recreate it in the most cost-effective manner that your conscience will allow, and use the saved money for its perpetuity, which has every likelihood that the 'new' boat will be looking like the 'old' one

seanz
02-21-2015, 06:49 PM
Thanks Nick. That's what I was looking for. On reflection, perhaps CK18 was worse.



If you really love the boat, then recreate it in the most cost-effective manner that your conscience will allow, and use the saved money for its perpetuity, which has every likelihood that the 'new' boat will be looking like the 'old' one

This is true love, dammit and you're talking finances? Where's the romance?

Michael D. Storey
02-21-2015, 08:40 PM
This is true love, dammit and you're talking finances? Where's the romance?

Sailing the Sea of Love on a moonlit night, is where.

seanz
02-21-2015, 08:41 PM
:D.