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Ian McColgin
01-03-2015, 06:48 PM
[IMc - There are days when it's embarrassing to have Oklahomans in the family. Actually, the bill has so many exceptions that it comes down to cop choice.]

Wearing your hoodie in public could soon cost you up to a $500 fine

POSTED 10:12 PM, JANUARY 2, 2015, BY LESLIE RANGEL, NewsChannel 4, KFOR

OKLAHOMA CITY,Okla.-The cold Oklahoma weather has many sporting hoodies outside to help fight the cold, but wearing a hood in a public place could soon be against the law.

The idea of banning hoods is not new to Oklahoma, right now, there is a law banning hoods during crimes that’s been around since the 20’s.

It was originally drafted to help combat crimes from the Klu-Klux-Klan, but people we spoke with say a new amendment of banning hoodies in public could open doors to a bigger problem.

They’re a common closet find, the hoodie.

“I’ve been wearing hoodies since I was a little kid,” Eduar Carreon, a hoodie user said.

Even Kevin Durant is a hoodie fan.

“If somebody is out running, especially in this kind of weather, where it`s cold, drizzly, you might be inclined to wear your hoodie at Lake Hefner,” attorney James Siderias said.

“21 OS 1301 has always made it a crime to wear a hoodie or some sort of disguise during the commission of criminal offense,” Siderias says.

Now, a proposal for an amendment to that law, could make it illegal to hide your identity in public. The fine for your fashion crime? $500.

“I think this is a violation of an individual’s right to chose what they want to wear as long as it doesn’t violate the realm of public decency and moral values, and I think this could be very problematic,” Siderias said.

Senator Don Barrington authored the proposed amendment; he says they want to help victims of robberies.

“The intent of Senate Bill 13 is to make businesses and public places safer by ensuring that people cannot conceal their identities for the purpose of crime or harassment….Similar language has been in Oklahoma statutes for decades and numerous other states have similar laws in place. Oklahoma businesses want state leaders to be responsive to their safety concerns, and this is one way we can provide protection.” – said Sen. Don Barrington of Lawton.

“I think the legislature is just trying to make Oklahoma a little bit safer, and in doing so, I think they just over-reached a little bit,” Siderias said.

“They might have personal issues for keeping them on; they might have a bad hair day or maybe they have cancer or they’re losing their hair. You just don’t know why,” Tracy Wehagen said.

“I don’t think that solution will work. I just think that will cause a little more tension within the community. It probably will be a reason for cops to mess with more people wearing hoodies,” A.T. said.

The proposal provides exceptions for religious garments, protection from weather, parades, Halloween celebrations and numerous other circumstances.

To read the full bill with the proposed amendment, click http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2015-16%20INT/SB/SB13%20INT.PDF

CWSmith
01-03-2015, 06:51 PM
Simple solutions for simple minds. I wish the problems were as simple.

jpb54
01-03-2015, 07:02 PM
Next up , backwards base ball caps . Stupidity in action .

CWSmith
01-03-2015, 07:03 PM
Next up , backwards base ball caps . Stupidity in action .

Actually, I am a little sick of those...

seanz
01-03-2015, 07:12 PM
Is a burka a hoodie?

Phil Y
01-03-2015, 07:22 PM
I don't think the legislation mentions hoodies. I suspect the amendment is squarely aimed at Muslim women. Discriminatory and abhorrent.

S.V. Airlie
01-03-2015, 07:24 PM
Take um off the shelf Scot!

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608018359936157476&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0

Ian McColgin
01-03-2015, 07:35 PM
One need not " . . . suspect the amendment is squarely aimed at Muslim women". [#6] If one reads the bill, the inclusion of hoodies is obvious as are exceptions for weather, safety, and religious observance. Of course, to some a couple of black guys in hoodies are by simple existance all about "coercion, intimidation or harassment" so who really needs this new law?

S.V. Airlie
01-03-2015, 07:37 PM
Next up , backwards base ball caps . Stupidity in action .Texas has already done this. Prevents gangs

hanleyclifford
01-03-2015, 07:44 PM
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S.V. Airlie
01-03-2015, 07:45 PM
Sorry Republican. They are raising the bigot flag.

hanleyclifford
01-03-2015, 07:47 PM
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S.V. Airlie
01-03-2015, 07:49 PM
Oh boy aim at the little "X"

CWSmith
01-03-2015, 08:14 PM
Texas has already done this. Prevents gangs

When, why and how did gang clothes become fashion?

I saw a 30-something guy on a plane last week wearing his pants half down his @ss. Is he really stupid enough to be saying to everyone "I'm a gangster, I carry, be afraid."? Dumb @ss.

S.V. Airlie
01-03-2015, 08:15 PM
I was teaching in Tex. So, mid 90's. Was specifically aimed at shopping malls.

Phillip Allen
01-03-2015, 08:30 PM
that's what we need... many more laws

S.V. Airlie
01-03-2015, 08:38 PM
Who is proposing or passing this law Phillip?

Ted Hoppe
01-04-2015, 01:54 AM
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/111104110514-anonymous-protester-occupy-london-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg

jpb54
01-04-2015, 11:29 AM
Texas has already done this. Prevents gangs

Said in jest I hope . If not , that is seriously stupid . Kids being kids and their sense of fashion being legislated is crazy . Always has been , always will be .

slug
01-04-2015, 11:43 AM
Sounds cool. Local dope dealers all wear hoodies and walk pit bulls.

hanleyclifford
01-04-2015, 12:11 PM
Sorry Republican. They are raising the bigot flag. Jamie - Call me a twit, a trogdylite, disgusting, breathtakingly repulsive, fascist running dog, primordial ooze or even a dumpster, but if you call me "republican" again I'll have to push the button on you.:p

S.V. Airlie
01-04-2015, 12:17 PM
Jamie - Call me a twit, a trogdylite, disgusting, breathtakingly repulsive, fascist running dog, primordial ooze or even a dumpster, but if you call me "republican" again I'll have to push the button on you.:pI haven't called you anything; Glen and David have.

Phil Y
01-04-2015, 03:27 PM
One need not " . . . suspect the amendment is squarely aimed at Muslim women". [#6] If one reads the bill, the inclusion of hoodies is obvious as are exceptions for weather, safety, and religious observance. Of course, to some a couple of black guys in hoodies are by simple existance all about "coercion, intimidation or harassment" so who really needs this new law?
I stand corrected. Didn't really know America was still so racist wrt blacks.

slug
01-04-2015, 03:59 PM
Every society has dress codes. If society doesnt approve of hoodies...so be it

S.V. Airlie
01-04-2015, 04:06 PM
Said in jest I hope . If not , that is seriously stupid . Kids being kids and their sense of fashion being legislated is crazy . Always has been , always will be .I found the link. I tried to copy the story. Wouldn't copy. I tried again and no longer found the exact link. If I googled something else looking for it, that might have been the problem. The report was 1994 and it was a Houston mall.

hokiefan
01-04-2015, 04:47 PM
Every society has dress codes. If society doesnt approve of hoodies...so be it

People across all walks of US society have been wearing hoodies since before I was a kid in the mid 60's. I have several now, was considering wearing one under my coat when I go to the grocery store in a bit. I can guarantee you that the guys at work will all be wearing their Carhartt hoodies most of this week. Living in the deep south they are as close to a heavy coat as my son owns, he probably has a dozen at least. I gave him one for Christmas. Society absolutely approves of hoodies. Until an urban guy wears one.

Stupid, stupid, stupid people trying to make stupid laws.

Rum_Pirate
01-04-2015, 04:53 PM
Next up , backwards base ball caps . Stupidity in action .

Like these guys?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/d6/9d/48/d69d4888fb362945929522090cda8024.jpg

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2008-12-29-0obama2.jpg

Rum_Pirate
01-04-2015, 05:04 PM
When, why and how did gang clothes become fashion?

I saw a 30-something guy on a plane last week wearing his pants half down his @ss. Is he really stupid enough to be saying to everyone "I'm a gangster, I carry, be afraid."? Dumb @ss.


Refers to 'jailing'.

I had heard that when in custody the authorities remove your belt, tie, braces etc to prevent you 'hanging yourself.

Thus to wear pants hanging down somehow gets converted to that you are a tough guy. Go figure.

Then again:

http://i.stack.imgur.com/DXbbm.jpg

Interestingly
US presidential candidate Barack Obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama), speaking just before the 2008 US Presidential Election (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Presidential_Election,_2008) appeared on MTV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTV) and said that laws banning the practice of wearing low-slung pants that expose one's underwear were "a waste of time ... Having said that, brothers should pull up their pants. You are walking by your mother, your grandmother, your underwear is showing. What's wrong with that? Come on. Some people might not want to see your underwear. I'm one of them."[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagging_(fashion)#cite_note-obama_pants-9)

Duncan Gibbs
01-04-2015, 07:07 PM
Hoodies don't kill people: Bad people wearing hoodies kill people... :p

CWSmith
01-04-2015, 07:12 PM
Thanks, Rum. Next time I see low slung pants I may throw up, but it's good to know.

Chris Coose
01-04-2015, 07:22 PM
72 Republicans in the Okie House, 29 Democrats.

40 Republican Senators, 8 Democrats.

Republican Governor


What's more to be spoken?