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David G
12-20-2014, 10:54 AM
Tparty Edition --

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Sky Blue
12-20-2014, 11:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8W8GGdD6pc

RodB
12-20-2014, 11:26 AM
Tparty Edition --

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10371973_10152616490571275_8066324477802252296_n.j pg?oh=c276489bf8fedcb3bc73aef108fa4be3&oe=5539C02A&__gda__=1426652751_27dfd6f901c96acf70f88cde8c8647b d

A true display of mindless leftist hate...

RodB

hokiefan
12-20-2014, 11:31 AM
A true display of mindless leftist hate...

RodB

Well this ex-Republican turned socialist commie pinko basically despises the Tea Party idiots that are trying to ruin this country.

And I don't see any item on the list that is incorrect with regards to the Tea Bagger's stance. So yeah, they pretty much suck.

RodB
12-20-2014, 11:34 AM
Well this ex-Republican turned socialist commie pinko pretty much despises the Tea Party idiots that are trying to ruin this country.

Its the progressive movement in the country that will be our ruination.

RodB

hanleyclifford
12-20-2014, 11:43 AM
Lots of folks are good with the Tea Party push to make government smaller.

jonboy
12-20-2014, 11:53 AM
Its the progressive movement in the country that will be our ruination.

RodB

yeah!!!! bring back slavery and scalping ethnic minorities and enforce creationism and take the vote away from woman etc...now that's progress

hokiefan
12-20-2014, 12:42 PM
Lots of folks are good with the Tea Party push to make government smaller.

I'm curious what part of the government should be made smaller, specifically. I will say upfront I believe you and I agree that the military should shrink over time. But what else?

Cheers,

Bobby

Ian McColgin
12-20-2014, 12:44 PM
Well, the Tea Party are against beheading. I think. Don't they?

Upshur
12-20-2014, 12:46 PM
Food . Food is my focus. If it is not right, nothing else will really matter .

Keith Wilson
12-20-2014, 12:48 PM
It's more than a little silly. I'm no fan of the Tea Party, but there are degrees of bad. The degree to which the US right wing would restrict education, or women's rights, or civil rights in general, is a very, very small fraction of what the Taliban would do.

bobbys
12-20-2014, 12:52 PM
Liberal hate..
Today they tell us the tea party want slavery, we are the bundy ranch, we hate women, we indulge in certain sex acts,we hate,.

Liberals never see the irony they are just as the Westboro church, screaming from the sidelines all sorts of hate .

Keith Wilson
12-20-2014, 01:12 PM
The population of straw men is increasing alarmingly around here.

RodB
12-20-2014, 01:13 PM
I'm curious what part of the government should be made smaller, specifically. I will say upfront I believe you and I agree that the military should shrink over time. But what else?

Cheers,

Bobby



I could go on all day...

RodB

[QUOTE]
Eliminating Waste and Controlling Government Spending

By Romina Boccia (http://www.heritage.org/about/staff/b/romina-boccia)


Abstract
Waste and inefficiency in the U.S. government are rampant. The federal government does too many things that would be done better by individuals or businesses in the private sector, or by state and local governments, or that should not be done at all. Moreover, unnecessary taxing, spending, and regulating distorts economic activity in numerous ways, leading to less growth and prosperity than if the government refrained from acting outside its proper constitutional domain. Ultimately, succeeding in eliminating waste and controlling government spending requires reducing the size and scope of the federal government.

...If one asks Americans how many cents of every dollar that the federal government spends they believe is wasted, their answer reflects a belief that Washington is vastly incompetent when it comes to managing taxpayer money. A 2014 Gallup poll reported that Americans think the federal government wastes 51 cents of every dollar they pay in taxes.[1] (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2014/10/eliminating-waste-and-controlling-government-spending#_ftn1)
This year’s figure is tied for the highest since Gallup began asking the question in 1979, when Americans thought their government wasted about 40 cents of every tax dollar it spent.[2] (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2014/10/eliminating-waste-and-controlling-government-spending#_ftn2) Except for a low point of 38 percent in the midst of Ronald Reagan’s presidency, American perception of government waste has gone the same direction as the size of the federal budget—up.
While a narrow definition of government waste might include such boondoggles as a bridge to nowhere or the infamous RoboSquirrel, any attempt to control government spending and eliminate waste is best served by a broader definition based in economic principles.[3] (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2014/10/eliminating-waste-and-controlling-government-spending#_ftn3)
The federal government does too many things that would be done better by individuals or businesses in the private sector, or by state and local governments, or that should not be done at all. Moreover, unnecessary taxing, spending, and regulating distorts economic activity in numerous ways, leading to less growth and prosperity than if the government refrained from acting outside its proper constitutional domain.
Ultimately, succeeding in eliminating waste and controlling government spending requires reducing the size and scope of the federal government...





An older article...

http://thehill.com/video/campaign/188041-ron-paul-calls-thousands-of-government-jobs-nonproductive-


Ron Paul economic plan would eliminate five agencies, thousands of jobs


GOP presidential Ron Paul identified more than 200,000 government jobs as “nonproductive” Monday and called for the termination of five Cabinet-level agencies.

In his “Plan to Restore America,” Paul, a Republican lawmaker from Texas, proposes $1 trillion in cuts to government agencies, including the termination of the departments of Commerce, Education, Energy, Interior and Housing and Urban Development. The cuts contained in the economic plan would slash thousands of jobs that Paul concludes to be “nonproductive.”


“They’re not productive jobs, because governments aren’t smart enough” to spend tax dollars “diligently,” Paul explained Monday on CNN’s "The Situation Room."

Pressed on the issue of military spending and nuclear arms, Paul said he wants the U.S. to scale back on its weapons arsenal, adding that the U.S. “has enough[nuclear arms] to blow up the world about twenty times, and people are calling for more.”


More links...

http://www.downsizinggovernment.org

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/08/tight-budget-congress-can-save-42-billion-by-eliminating-bad-government-programs


https://thedaleygator.wordpress.com/2010/07/09/178-government-agencies-we-should-get-rid-of-immediately/



Adding the two together there are 1091 agencies , offices, department, then there are the hundreds if not thousands of groups and organizations like LaRaza, environmental groups that are funded by federal tax dollars that do nothing but come back around to bite the taxpayer in the butt. Any if you go thru the list , which I have several times over the years, you’ll find that several agencies are doing the same thing as another down the hall. What we have folks is the largest system of government welfare in the world. If Ron Paul , or any of the candidates want to stop spending start by reducing the employee levels in every agency by 30%. Then cut their administrative costs by 40%. Then set up an outside of the belt way commission to review the necessity of each agency with an executive mandate to eliminate 50% or more. Eliminating all duplication.

http://thearizonasentinel.com/2011/11/10/what-are-the-top-five-federal-agencies-that-need-to-be-eliminated-and-why-are-we-stopping-there/

Osborne Russell
12-20-2014, 01:14 PM
The degree to which the US right wing would restrict education, or women's rights, or civil rights in general, is a very, very small fraction of what the Taliban would do.

At first, anyway.

hokiefan
12-20-2014, 01:22 PM
[QUOTE=hokiefan;4391851]I'm curious what part of the government should be made smaller, specifically. I will say upfront I believe you and I agree that the military should shrink over time. But what else?

Cheers,

Bobby



I could go on all day...

RodB




An older article...

http://thehill.com/video/campaign/188041-ron-paul-calls-thousands-of-government-jobs-nonproductive-




More links...

http://www.downsizinggovernment.org

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/08/tight-budget-congress-can-save-42-billion-by-eliminating-bad-government-programs


https://thedaleygator.wordpress.com/2010/07/09/178-government-agencies-we-should-get-rid-of-immediately/

In other words, you can't say in 5-10 bullet points of your own words what you want to make smaller. You should learn to think and speak for yourself.

hanleyclifford
12-20-2014, 01:26 PM
[QUOTE=RodB;4391884]

In other words, you can't say in 5-10 bullet points of your own words what you want to make smaller. You should learn to think and speak for yourself. If he did that, you'd demand the links...:)

David G
12-20-2014, 01:28 PM
It's more than a little silly. I'm no fan of the Tea Party, but there are degrees of bad. The degree to which the US right wing would restrict education, or women's rights, or civil rights in general, is a very, very small fraction of what the Taliban would do.

Sounds a bit like the appeasement that went on during Hitler's rise... and I suggest we all need to be more concerned about the direction (if not yet the extent) of t-party perfidy --

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

RodB
12-20-2014, 01:29 PM
[QUOTE=hokiefan;4391892] If he did that, you'd demand the links...:)


Thanks Hanley... that is right. I post lots of personal opinion but always get the "how about some links to back that up"?

My posts pretty much showed the whys and how to decrease government size... which is needed very badly.

RodB

hokiefan
12-20-2014, 01:29 PM
[QUOTE=hokiefan;4391892] If he did that, you'd demand the links...:)

I asked for an opinion (from you actually) of what you think should be reduced. Your opinion (and similarly RodB's) isn't in some link, it is your opinion from your very own thoughts.

Cheers,

Bobby

hanleyclifford
12-20-2014, 01:35 PM
[QUOTE=hanleyclifford;4391900]

I asked for an opinion (from you actually) of what you think should be reduced. Your opinion (and similarly RodB's) isn't in some link, it is your opinion from your very own thoughts.

Cheers,

Bobby I want to see the dismantling of The Fed and Banksterism, the complete reigning in of corporations and a redefinition of them and their purpose, the redirection of the use of the military, and a consolidation of health insurance away from the employer base.....for starters

skuthorp
12-20-2014, 01:37 PM
I doubt the mythical American left hates, amusement and bemusement is more likely. Which is probably what get's RodB etc so ornery. As for the op ed, of course it's a matter of degree and selective, it always is, which doesn't invalidate the points note. Removing waste? Oppositions have been promising this of their respective rivals for decades, if not forever. Government should be so efficient by now that it squeaks. The reality is of course that the receptors of the pork just change.
Same trough different snouts.

bobbys
12-20-2014, 01:38 PM
The population of straw men is increasing alarmingly around here..

The thread can be summed up like this.

You are evil. Prove you are not.

David G
12-20-2014, 01:38 PM
[QUOTE=hokiefan;4391907] I want to see the dismantling of The Fed and Banksterism, the complete reigning in of corporations and a redefinition of them and their purpose, the redirection of the use of the military, and a consolidation of health insurance away from the employer base.....for starters

HolyCarp (or is it holymackerel?)... you're a progressive! Well... except for the total dismantling of the Fed. They serve a key purpose, and to delete them with no alternative plan is simply BombThrowingAnarchistIdiot talk.

skuthorp
12-20-2014, 01:40 PM
"the complete reigning in of corporations "
Good heavens hokiefan, who would pay for party advertising?:d

peb
12-20-2014, 01:41 PM
I'm curious what part of the government should be made smaller, specifically. I will say upfront I believe you and I agree that the military should shrink over time. But what else?

Cheers,

Bobby

First of all, all large organizations achieve dead weight over time the larger they grow. It is highly likely that a 10% reduction in every major department could be targeted at programs such that 99% or Americans would never feel the effect.
Beyond that: the federal department of education accomplishes little in comparison to its size. One could certainly include the Depth of Agriculture as bloated. I believe we now have over 17 intelligence agencies.

Now, I am not a tea party supporter, but the original post is pure ideological hatred. Utter garbage that is not even due any response. I will say that LWWs who think classify the conservatives of America in such a way are simply digging their own ideological graves. 6 years ago they thought they had one the election of all elections, the GOP was going to disintegrate. Now they have to have stupid comparisons to the Taliban. Not going to win many elections this way. Fellow LWWs will cheer these on while the GOP wins in 2016.

RodB
12-20-2014, 01:42 PM
[QUOTE=hanleyclifford;4391900]

I asked for an opinion (from you actually) of what you think should be reduced. Your opinion (and similarly RodB's) isn't in some link, it is your opinion from your very own thoughts.

Cheers,

Bobby

I think the Dept of education should be shut down along with reducing the EPA by at least 50%. Agriculture is way off base and paying people to "not farm" is ridiculous. I believe the entire government could be decreased in size by 20-30 % and we would not even notice it and would be all the better for it. Only the entitlement types would be screaming. The government cannot manage anything except for perhaps Social Security which is mostly handled by computers... and I'm sure lots of fraud still takes place. I want term limits for politicians and reduction of waste and redundancy in our government... period.

Since there are over 1000 agencies in our government, I'm sure half of them could be done away with for a better America.

RodB

RodB
12-20-2014, 01:47 PM
It's more than a little silly. I'm no fan of the Tea Party, but there are degrees of bad. The degree to which the US right wing would restrict education, or women's rights, or civil rights in general, is a very, very small fraction of what the Taliban would do.

False premise all around to start.

RodB

David G
12-20-2014, 01:49 PM
Lots of folks are good with the Tea Party push to make government smaller.

Smaller? Maybe. More effective? Absolutely. More humane? You bet. More respectful, respectable, and respected? Yes, please. Better all the way around? Bring it on!!!!

ETA - peb's notion of institutional bloat is spot-on, and needs to be kept in mind always, and acted upon regularly.

The problem with the notion, though, of 'smaller'. is that it's code for: less in the way of the total corporate takeover of our society. At this point - the unions have been substantially neutered. Government is the only vestige of counterbalance for the excesses of laissez-faire capitalism. So... warts and all... we need them. Desperately.

Tom Montgomery
12-20-2014, 01:56 PM
Wow! You hooked a few whoppers, David! :d

hanleyclifford
12-20-2014, 02:02 PM
[QUOTE=hanleyclifford;4391911]

HolyCarp (or is it holymackerel?)... you're a progressive! Well... except for the total dismantling of the Fed. They serve a key purpose, and to delete them with no alternative plan is simply BombThrowingAnarchistIdiot talk.Crap. Your obstinate defense of the tools of Oligarchy reveals your real self - a limousine liberal.

David G
12-20-2014, 02:06 PM
[QUOTE=David G;4391915]Crap. Your obstinate defense of the tools of Oligarchy reveals your real self - a limousine liberal.

OK... let's start with the basics. Do you believe that an economy the size of ours can function with no one serving the role of central bank? If so... I'd be interested in examples of nations who have managed this. If not... then who/what do you imagine will take on the functions of the Fed?

stevebaby
12-20-2014, 02:09 PM
Well, the Tea Party are against beheading. I think. Don't they?Well, they haven't specifically come out against it so it's still anyone's guess.

hanleyclifford
12-20-2014, 02:10 PM
[QUOTE=hanleyclifford;4391937]

OK... let's start with the basics. Do you believe that an economy the size of ours can function with no one serving the role of central bank? If so... I'd be interested in examples of nations who have managed this. If not... then who/what do you imagine will take on the functions of the Fed? We have been thru this many times. A central bank is needed of course, but not one run for the profit of the Oligarchy. You are constantly bleating about "trickle down" yet you defend it's most contemptible tool. You are more concerned about your 401K than economic justice.

hokiefan
12-20-2014, 02:11 PM
[QUOTE=hokiefan;4391907] I want to see the dismantling of The Fed(1) and Banksterism(2), the complete reigning in of corporations and a redefinition of them and their purpose(3), the redirection of the use of the military(4), and a consolidation of health insurance(5) away from the employer base.....for starters

(1) I know the Federal Reserve is a hot button of yours, but I'll be honest that I don't know enough about it to have a valid opinion.

(2) If you mean the power owned by our "too big to fail" banks, I agree completely. In this arena I'm a total Elizabeth Warren fan. This isn't a reduce the size of the government issue, but a reduce the influence of the oligarchy issue.

(3) While I agree completely this is like the "banksterism" issue. Not a reduce the size of the government issue, but a reduce the influence of the oligarchy issue.

(4) We agree. The military should be brought home, and shrunk over time. I only say over time to minimize the immediate impact on jobs.

(5) We agree.

Are you sure you aren't a closet liberal??? Because you sound a lot like one.:D

Cheers,

Bobby

hokiefan
12-20-2014, 02:15 PM
[QUOTE=hanleyclifford;4391911]

HolyCarp (or is it holymackerel?)... you're a progressive! Well... except for the total dismantling of the Fed. They serve a key purpose, and to delete them with no alternative plan is simply BombThrowingAnarchistIdiot talk.

Whoa, whoa, wait a minute... I didn't say that, Hanley did.

hanleyclifford
12-20-2014, 02:17 PM
[QUOTE=hanleyclifford;4391911]

(1) I know the Federal Reserve is a hot button of yours, but I'll be honest that I don't know enough about it to have a valid opinion.

(2) If you mean the power owned by our "too big to fail" banks, I agree completely. In this arena I'm a total Elizabeth Warren fan. This isn't a reduce the size of the government issue, but a reduce the influence of the oligarchy issue.

(3) While I agree completely this is like the "banksterism" issue. Not a reduce the size of the government issue, but a reduce the influence of the oligarchy issue.

(4) We agree. The military should be brought home, and shrunk over time. I only say over time to minimize the immediate impact on jobs.

(5) We agree.

Are you sure you aren't a closet liberal??? Because you sound a lot like one.:D

Cheers,

Bobby In light of the complete emasculation of both major parties by the Banksters and Oligarchs the terms "liberal" and "conservative" are no longer relevant. Now there is only "populist" and "reactionary". Better figure out where you belong.

hanleyclifford
12-20-2014, 02:19 PM
[QUOTE=hanleyclifford;4391911]

(1) I know the Federal Reserve is a hot button of yours, but I'll be honest that I don't know enough about it to have a valid opinion.

(2) If you mean the power owned by our "too big to fail" banks, I agree completely. In this arena I'm a total Elizabeth Warren fan. This isn't a reduce the size of the government issue, but a reduce the influence of the oligarchy issue.

(3) While I agree completely this is like the "banksterism" issue. Not a reduce the size of the government issue, but a reduce the influence of the oligarchy issue.

(4) We agree. The military should be brought home, and shrunk over time. I only say over time to minimize the immediate impact on jobs.

(5) We agree.

Are you sure you aren't a closet liberal??? Because you sound a lot like one.:D

Cheers,

Bobby As for Elizabeth Warren; so far she is just "talking the talk" - let's see where she really goes.

Peter Malcolm Jardine
12-20-2014, 02:23 PM
A true display of mindless leftist hate...

RodB


I'm confused now, I thought the Tea Party was right wing???

Peter Malcolm Jardine
12-20-2014, 02:25 PM
Its the progressive movement in the country that will be our ruination.

RodB


..... as opposed to the recessive movement. :D

hokiefan
12-20-2014, 02:26 PM
[QUOTE=hokiefan;4391949] As for Elizabeth Warren; so far she is just "talking the talk" - let's see where she really goes.

Since no one else in a leadership role is even "talking the talk" I would say that puts her out in front. But time will tell...

hanleyclifford
12-20-2014, 02:28 PM
I'm confused now, I thought the Tea Party was right wing???


..... as opposed to the recessive movement. :D More labels.

Michael D. Storey
12-20-2014, 02:46 PM
I believe in the enduring power of everlasting love,
I believe in good luck
I believe in the future that my children will create
I believe that every day offers a new hand of cards.
All the rest is crap.

David G
12-20-2014, 02:49 PM
Labels. Definitions. They facilitate communication. To the extent that you believe that any given label is inaccurate or inadequate... feel free to come up with a new term. Or at least give us a definition that you feel better fits reality. Otherwise, you're just flailing around in RobB bbbbbbys territory.

hanleyclifford
12-20-2014, 02:54 PM
Labels. Definitions. They facilitate communication. To the extent that you believe that any given label is inaccurate or inadequate... feel free to come up with a new term. Or at least give us a definition that you feel better fits reality. Otherwise, you're just flailing around in RobB bbbbbbys territory. The term should follow the action, not the other way around. Once we see what a politician does we can come up with a label.

BCarp
12-20-2014, 03:33 PM
Another poster developed by a glazed-eyed Lefty college student? Not in the least bit accurate....

hanleyclifford
12-20-2014, 03:43 PM
Another poster developed by a glazed-eyed Lefty college student? Not in the least bit accurate.... When Norm is in the Penalty Box, David goes berserk.

seanz
12-20-2014, 03:54 PM
What's the Teabagger stance on beards? This could be an important "point of difference" with the Taliban.

Bob Adams
12-20-2014, 04:01 PM
What's the Teabagger stance on beards?

I dunno. Straddling I guess, would probably tickle the one on top.

bobbys
12-20-2014, 04:06 PM
Another poster developed by a glazed-eyed Lefty college student? Not in the least bit accurate.....

It's pretty accurate in the sense liberals do not take the Taliban seriously but rather see them as a chance to go after their real enemy..

bobbys
12-20-2014, 04:07 PM
I dunno. Straddling I guess, would probably tickle the one on top..

You seem familiar with the technique..

Well I celebrate you.

Bob Adams
12-20-2014, 04:11 PM
.

You seem familiar with the technique..

Well I celebrate you.


If I was, I would not have said I was guessing.

bobbys
12-20-2014, 04:14 PM
If I was, I would not have said I was guessing..

Well now we know it's not about having a tea bag on ones hat it's about linking a sexual act to ones political enemy..

Glen Longino
12-20-2014, 04:18 PM
.

Well now we know it's not about having a tea bag on ones hat it's about linking a sexual act to ones political enemy..

:)Ha! You're the only member I've ever seen here whine endlessly about tea bags relating to sex.
Is there something you're Not telling us? Hmmm?:)

seanz
12-20-2014, 04:45 PM
You're a bad man, Bob Adams. That's not what I meant AT ALL!!

:D:D:D

hanleyclifford
12-20-2014, 04:53 PM
You're a bad man, Bob Adams. That's not what I meant AT ALL!!

:D:D:D But you did ask for it.:)

bobbys
12-20-2014, 04:59 PM
But you did ask for it.:).

And it got turned around on them........

Bob Adams
12-20-2014, 05:02 PM
You're a bad man, Bob Adams. That's not what I meant AT ALL!!

:D:D:D

Ayup!;)

Bob Adams
12-20-2014, 05:03 PM
But you did ask for it.:)

I just couldn't resist!

hanleyclifford
12-20-2014, 05:05 PM
I just couldn't resist! :D:):D

bobbys
12-20-2014, 05:06 PM
:)
:)Ha! You're the only member I've ever seen here whine endlessly about tea bags relating to sex.
Is there something you're Not telling us? Hmmm?:)
.

look what the cat drug in...........:)

Glen Longino
12-20-2014, 05:35 PM
:)
.

look what the cat drug in...........:)

Missed me, didn't you?
Go ahead, admit it!
Hell, I missed you too...that's what incarceration will do to a man!:)

stevebaby
12-20-2014, 05:44 PM
I dunno. Straddling I guess, would probably tickle the one on top.:D:D:D