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David G
12-20-2014, 11:23 AM
http://www.forwardprogressives.com/outgoing-republican-wi-state-senator-rips-gop-much-pain-dish/


Well, one outgoing moderate Republican in Wisconsin, state Sen. Dale Schultz, blasted his party for many of the tactics they’ve been using, not just in Wisconsin, but all over the country. “We are now literally dismantling the state government, and people need to think long and hard about what they want for a future in our state,” he said. And dismantling the government is exactly what Republicans want to do. These GOP politicians run on the premise that the government is corrupt and inefficient. Then when they’re elected, they do just about everything within their power to make the government as inept as possible so voters will get on their “anti-government” bandwagon. They’re literally causing the very problems within our government that they tell the American people are so awful. It’s a great scam. But the Wisconsin state senator wasn’t done there....

hokiefan
12-20-2014, 12:29 PM
Yeah well, we all know that the Ron/Rod crew will dismiss this guy as a RINO that they are better off without. I did get a kick out of the statement that Reagan would probably be a Democrat these days... a lot of truth in that opinion.

And they claim US politics hasn't veered to the right...

Cheers,

Bobby

RodB
12-20-2014, 12:37 PM
Yeah well, we all know that the Ron/Rod crew will dismiss this guy as a RINO that they are better off without. I did get a kick out of the statement that Reagan would probably be a Democrat these days... a lot of truth in that opinion.

And they claim US politics hasn't veered to the right...

Cheers,

Bobby

Don't misjudge conservatives...they are not Republicans... I'd like to see the old guard Republicans gone.

R

hanleyclifford
12-20-2014, 12:40 PM
Isn't K-12 supposed to be funded by local taxes?

hokiefan
12-20-2014, 12:41 PM
Don't misjudge conservatives...they are not Republicans... I'd like to see the old guard Republicans gone.

R

So tell me this. Have we had a Republican president in this century that you agree with?

I ask that because most of the Republican presidents I see would have to run as a Democrat these days because the Tea Party folks would call them RINO's.

hanleyclifford
12-20-2014, 12:45 PM
So tell me this. Have we had a Republican president in this century that you agree with?

I ask that because most of the Republican presidents I see would have to run as a Democrat these days because the Tea Party folks would call them RINO's. The Tea Party represents a departure from both Republican and Democrat - desirable IMO.

elf
12-20-2014, 12:50 PM
The Tea Party represents the final ascendence of the ultimate self-centered stingyness of the far right. It's really sad to see any person who loves a wooden boat being that self-righteous.

hokiefan
12-20-2014, 12:52 PM
The Tea Party represents a departure from both Republican and Democrat - desirable IMO.

Desirable only to the extent that they take the rotten portion of the Republican Party on a long walk off a short pier. Seriously, we need a sane conservative faction in our government. And the Tea Party is not that... They are not particularly conservative and they are definitely not sane.

hanleyclifford
12-20-2014, 01:08 PM
The Tea Party represents the final ascendence of the ultimate self-centered stingyness of the far right. It's really sad to see any person who loves a wooden boat being that self-righteous. You overstate the stinginess. Once we have dismantled the MIC and the Plutocracy there will be much more available for social generosity.

RodB
12-20-2014, 01:10 PM
Desirable only to the extent that they take the rotten portion of the Republican Party on a long walk off a short pier. Seriously, we need a sane conservative faction in our government. And the Tea Party is not that... They are not particularly conservative and they are definitely not sane.

You nor Elf know diddley about the T-party... who only want fiscal responsibility in our government. all the rest of the false narratives you spew about the T-party is BS.

Lets add some self reliance into the mix.


RodB

hokiefan
12-20-2014, 01:18 PM
You nor Elf know diddley about the T-party... who only want fiscal responsibility in our government. all the rest of the false narratives you spew about the T-party is BS.

Lets add some self reliance into the mix.


RodB

You know what, 8-9 months ago you asked me what I disagreed with in the Tea Party fiscal policy. So I went and found the consensus Tea Party fiscal policy from a number of different sites around the innertubes. And spent over an hour laying out my disagreement with 3.5 out of the 4 basic ideas. Crickets...

Don't tell me I don't know squat, I have spent enough time reading to know what they want to accomplish. And to know they are wrong. Not necessarily wrong in all of their end goals, but completely wrong in most of their methods.

And no, I'm not going to dig up that old post. You snooze, you lose.

Cheers,

Bobby

Paul Pless
12-20-2014, 01:23 PM
The Tea Party represent the interests of the Koch's. The real question is whether or not the individual candidates realize it or not. We know folks like Ronrod don't. . .

Gerarddm
12-20-2014, 01:36 PM
You nor Elf know diddley about the T-party... who only want fiscal responsibility in our government. all the rest of the false narratives you spew about the T-party is BS.


Ba-loney.The very premise of the party is invalid. Tea ( as in Taxed Enough Already ) is nonsense, because we are not taxed as heavily as we were in the 1950s, when the economy was growing.

Add in the usual wild-eyed suspects going all the way to the Cliven Bundy coven, and you get the picture why they and Republicans in general are slowly going the way of the Know-Nothings. So let it be written; so let it be done.

hanleyclifford
12-20-2014, 01:48 PM
The Tea Party represent the Koch's. The real question is whether or not the individual candidates realize it or not. We know folks like Ronrod don't. . . http://forum.woodenboat.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2641&stc=1

hokiefan
12-20-2014, 01:50 PM
http://forum.woodenboat.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2641&stc=1

So what does the Tea Party want that the Koch brothers don't?

RodB
12-20-2014, 01:51 PM
Another lefty proved to be putting out false info... about the T-party.

I rest my case.

RodB



Tea Party Movement Platform



Ten Core Beliefs of the Modern-Day Tea Party Movement

“Be sure you put your feet in the right place, then stand firm.” Abraham Lincoln


Preamble: The Tea Party Movement is an all-inclusive American grassroots movement with the belief that everyone is created equal and deserves an equal opportunity to thrive in these United States where they may “pursue life, liberty and happiness” as stated in the Declaration of Independenceand guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States.
No one is excluded from participation in the Tea Party Movement. Everyone is welcomed to join in seeking to achieve the Tea Party Movement goals, which are as follows:

1. Eliminate Excessive Taxes - Excessively high taxes are a burden for those exercising their personal liberty to work hard and prosper as afforded by the Constitution. A fiscally responsible government protects the freedom of its citizens to enjoy the fruits of their own labor without interference from a government that has exceeded its necessary size, scope and reach into the lives of its citizens.
2. Eliminate the National Debt - By implementing fiscally conservative policies at all levels of government, progress can be made toward eliminating the U.S. National Debt. Massive increases in the National Debt have created and continue to create a huge burden for the next generation of Americans, thus imperiling the country’s short-term and long-term economic health and prosperity.
3. Eliminate Deficit Spending - All deficit spending must be eliminated immediately. We insist that government representatives at all levels maintain a fiscally responsible budget and balance the books as would be expected of any American business.
4. Protect Free Markets - America’s free enterprise system allows businesses to thrive as they compete in the open marketplace and strive toward ever better services and products. Allowing free markets to prosper unfettered by government interference is what propelled this country to greatness with an enduring belief in the industriousness and innovations of the populace.
5. Abide by the Constitution of the United States - The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land and must be adhered to without exception at all levels of government. This includes the Bill of Rights and other Amendments to the U.S. Constitution and their provisions designed to protect states’ rights and individual liberties.
6. Promote Civic Responsibility - Citizen involvement at the grassroots level allows the voice of the American people to be heard and directs the political behaviors of our representatives at both the local and national level so they, in turn, may be most effective in working to preserve the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness of this country’s citizens.

7. Reduce the Overall Size of Government - A bloated bureaucracy creates wasteful spending that plagues our government. Reducing the overall size, scope and reach of government at both local and national levels will help to eliminate inefficiencies that result in deficit spending which adds to our country’s debt.
8. Believe in the People - The American people, given their guaranteed freedoms, will thrive in a democratic, capitalist environment which allows individuals to strive toward ever greater achievements, innovations and the efficient production of needed and valued goods and services.\
9. Avoid the Pitfalls of Politics - American politics is burdened by big money from lobbyists and special interests with an undue influence on the peoples’ representatives. The Tea Party movement is seen as a threat to the entrenched political parties and thus is the continual target of smear campaigns and misrepresentation of its ideals. We choose not to respond to these attacks except to strongly and explicitly disavow any and all hate speech, any and all violence as well as insinuations of violence, and any and all extreme and fringe elements that bring discredit to the Tea Party Movement. We are a peaceful movement and respect other's opinions and views even though they do not agree with our own. We stand by the Tea Party beliefs and goals and choose to focus our energies on ensuring that our government representatives do the same.

10. Maintain Local Independence - The strength and resilience of a grassroots movement is the ability of citizens at the local level to determine their own platforms, agendas and priorities free of an overriding central leadership. Exercising the clearly stated message of the Tea Party movement by its nature involves discourse about which policies and candidates best hold to our stated principles, and these various opinions should flourish and evolve at the local level.


http://www.teaparty-platform.com

hanleyclifford
12-20-2014, 01:51 PM
Ba-loney.The very premise of the party is invalid. Tea ( as in Taxed Enough Already ) is nonsense, because we are not taxed as heavily as we were in the 1950s, when the economy was growing.

Add in the usual wild-eyed suspects going all the way to the Cliven Bundy coven, and you get the picture why they and Republicans in general are slowly going the way of the Know-Nothings. 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Keith Wilson
12-20-2014, 02:22 PM
. . . we are not taxed as heavily as we were in the 1950s,Not true; it's about the same. The distribution of taxes has changed a bit, but that's more complicated.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/U.S._Federal_Tax_Receipts_as_a_Percentage_of_GDP_1 945%E2%80%932015.jpg

hokiefan
12-20-2014, 02:25 PM
Not true; it's about the same. The distribution of taxes has changed a bit, but that's more complicated.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/U.S._Federal_Tax_Receipts_as_a_Percentage_of_GDP_1 945%E2%80%932015.jpg

How does that compare as a percentage of personal income? Because honestly, that is how all of us see it.

Cheers,

Bobby

Keith Wilson
12-20-2014, 03:03 PM
How does that compare as a percentage of personal income?That varies a lot by income. It took a bit of digging, but here's a pretty comprehensive chart that goes back far enough.


http://m5.paperblog.com/i/18/183267/weekend-reading-the-pain-in-spain-is-too-big--L-KrkxOZ.png

ANd one that comes nearer the present day:

http://taxfoundation.org/sites/taxfoundation.org/files/docs/wlf_clinton_bush.png

Gerarddm
12-20-2014, 03:08 PM
^ Ecce uomo.

Thank you for illustrating my earlier comment.