Sitka Spruce

[Michael]

I don't know if this guy was serious or not...

http://www.webcdi.com/cgi-bin/byyb_bbs.pl?read=36323

[Michael]

I don't know if this guy was serious or not...

http://www.webcdi.com/cgi-bin/byyb_bbs.pl?read=36323

[Michael]

I don't know if this guy was serious or not...

http://www.webcdi.com/cgi-bin/byyb_bbs.pl?read=36323

[Wayne Jeffers]

If anyone can figure out where he is located, I have a good chainsaw I can bring to the party. http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/biggrin.gif

Wayne

[Wayne Jeffers]

If anyone can figure out where he is located, I have a good chainsaw I can bring to the party. http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/biggrin.gif

Wayne

[Wayne Jeffers]

If anyone can figure out where he is located, I have a good chainsaw I can bring to the party. http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/biggrin.gif

Wayne

[Stephen]

I live in Calgary too. I would be happy to come give a hand hauling/cutting/ etc. if this gentleman is serious. (I've been searching for a new 20' mast and a 10' bowsprit) Drop me an e-mail:
mohan@shaw.ca

[Stephen]

I live in Calgary too. I would be happy to come give a hand hauling/cutting/ etc. if this gentleman is serious. (I've been searching for a new 20' mast and a 10' bowsprit) Drop me an e-mail:
mohan@shaw.ca

[Stephen]

I live in Calgary too. I would be happy to come give a hand hauling/cutting/ etc. if this gentleman is serious. (I've been searching for a new 20' mast and a 10' bowsprit) Drop me an e-mail:
mohan@shaw.ca

[Kristian]

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but Calgary is way out of Sitka's climate. It's a strictly westcoast sub-tropic rainforest beast. It grows from northern California to South Alaska and all of BC coast.
http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/silvics_manual/Volume_1/picea/sitchensis.jpg

http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/silvics%5Fmanual/Volume%5F1/picea/sitchensis.htm


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[Kristian]

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but Calgary is way out of Sitka's climate. It's a strictly westcoast sub-tropic rainforest beast. It grows from northern California to South Alaska and all of BC coast.
http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/silvics_manual/Volume_1/picea/sitchensis.jpg

http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/silvics%5Fmanual/Volume%5F1/picea/sitchensis.htm


[This message has been edited by Kristian (edited 12-13-2001).]

[Kristian]

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but Calgary is way out of Sitka's climate. It's a strictly westcoast sub-tropic rainforest beast. It grows from northern California to South Alaska and all of BC coast.
http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/silvics_manual/Volume_1/picea/sitchensis.jpg

http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/silvics%5Fmanual/Volume%5F1/picea/sitchensis.htm


[This message has been edited by Kristian (edited 12-13-2001).]

[Stephen]

Well it only takes me 9 hours to drive to the coast from here - and I do it all the time! So it's not out of the way for me!

[Stephen]

Well it only takes me 9 hours to drive to the coast from here - and I do it all the time! So it's not out of the way for me!

[Stephen]

Well it only takes me 9 hours to drive to the coast from here - and I do it all the time! So it's not out of the way for me!

[Wayne Jeffers]

Gee, at over 2000 miles away, I would have to fly.

What do you suppose are my chances of getting my chainsaw past airport security these days? http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/wink.gif

And getting a few timbers through for the return trip? http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/biggrin.gif

Oh, well . . .

Thanks for the link, Kristian. I'll mark that one.

Wayne



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[Wayne Jeffers]

Gee, at over 2000 miles away, I would have to fly.

What do you suppose are my chances of getting my chainsaw past airport security these days? http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/wink.gif

And getting a few timbers through for the return trip? http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/biggrin.gif

Oh, well . . .

Thanks for the link, Kristian. I'll mark that one.

Wayne



[This message has been edited by Wayne Jeffers (edited 12-16-2001).]

[Wayne Jeffers]

Gee, at over 2000 miles away, I would have to fly.

What do you suppose are my chances of getting my chainsaw past airport security these days? http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/wink.gif

And getting a few timbers through for the return trip? http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/biggrin.gif

Oh, well . . .

Thanks for the link, Kristian. I'll mark that one.

Wayne



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[Kristian]

Don't worry about taking the chainsaw on a plane. Does a log qualitfy as a carry-on? http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/wink.gif

[Kristian]

Don't worry about taking the chainsaw on a plane. Does a log qualitfy as a carry-on? http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/wink.gif

[Kristian]

Don't worry about taking the chainsaw on a plane. Does a log qualitfy as a carry-on? http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/wink.gif

[Don Maurer]

He could very well be serious. When I was up on the Kenai Penninsula last year, they were cutting Sitka spruce as fast as they could. Apparently, there is some kind of beetle infestation that is killing whole stands of trees. Most of it is being shipped to Japan. I don't know if they will let the infested logs in the lower 48, but if they do, you will probably never see sitka as cheap as it is now.

[Don Maurer]

He could very well be serious. When I was up on the Kenai Penninsula last year, they were cutting Sitka spruce as fast as they could. Apparently, there is some kind of beetle infestation that is killing whole stands of trees. Most of it is being shipped to Japan. I don't know if they will let the infested logs in the lower 48, but if they do, you will probably never see sitka as cheap as it is now.

[Don Maurer]

He could very well be serious. When I was up on the Kenai Penninsula last year, they were cutting Sitka spruce as fast as they could. Apparently, there is some kind of beetle infestation that is killing whole stands of trees. Most of it is being shipped to Japan. I don't know if they will let the infested logs in the lower 48, but if they do, you will probably never see sitka as cheap as it is now.

[Kristian]

Another site I just found:
http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/pab/publctns/treebook/sitkaspruce.htm

[Kristian]

Another site I just found:
http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/pab/publctns/treebook/sitkaspruce.htm

[Kristian]

Another site I just found:
http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/pab/publctns/treebook/sitkaspruce.htm

[Kristian]

The pine beetle doesn't live in the same area as sitka spruce. The beetle is an interior pest. It may be affecting the other spruces as well as lodgepole pine. As for our pine beetle infestation; I can't find any usefull info on the web (all the good sites have misterously stopped working) but if you have a map I can describe the area covered. There would probably be lynchings if it was released.

It is: as far north as Prince George and west through Tweedmuir Park, going south covering the entire Fraser Plateau and until a small town called Princeton. I might have seen it in the American cacades as well.

"Officially" it is limited to only Tweedsmuir Park and eastwards to Quesnel.
Personally I've seen it in Princeton, 100 Mile House, Kamloops, the Okanogan area, the Cascades and Manning Park.
And it aint pretty!

http://www.pfc.cfs.nrcan.gc.ca/entomology/mpb/images/waterton.jpg

http://www.pfc.cfs.nrcan.gc.ca/entomology/mpb/detection/surveys/images/flathead1_sml.jpg


http://www.pfc.cfs.nrcan.gc.ca/entomology/mpb/detection/surveys/images/flathead2_sml.jpg

http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/fidls/mt_pine_beetle/mpb_fig5.jpg


[This message has been edited by Kristian (edited 12-18-2001).]

[Kristian]

The pine beetle doesn't live in the same area as sitka spruce. The beetle is an interior pest. It may be affecting the other spruces as well as lodgepole pine. As for our pine beetle infestation; I can't find any usefull info on the web (all the good sites have misterously stopped working) but if you have a map I can describe the area covered. There would probably be lynchings if it was released.

It is: as far north as Prince George and west through Tweedmuir Park, going south covering the entire Fraser Plateau and until a small town called Princeton. I might have seen it in the American cacades as well.

"Officially" it is limited to only Tweedsmuir Park and eastwards to Quesnel.
Personally I've seen it in Princeton, 100 Mile House, Kamloops, the Okanogan area, the Cascades and Manning Park.
And it aint pretty!

http://www.pfc.cfs.nrcan.gc.ca/entomology/mpb/images/waterton.jpg

http://www.pfc.cfs.nrcan.gc.ca/entomology/mpb/detection/surveys/images/flathead1_sml.jpg


http://www.pfc.cfs.nrcan.gc.ca/entomology/mpb/detection/surveys/images/flathead2_sml.jpg

http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/fidls/mt_pine_beetle/mpb_fig5.jpg


[This message has been edited by Kristian (edited 12-18-2001).]

[Kristian]

The pine beetle doesn't live in the same area as sitka spruce. The beetle is an interior pest. It may be affecting the other spruces as well as lodgepole pine. As for our pine beetle infestation; I can't find any usefull info on the web (all the good sites have misterously stopped working) but if you have a map I can describe the area covered. There would probably be lynchings if it was released.

It is: as far north as Prince George and west through Tweedmuir Park, going south covering the entire Fraser Plateau and until a small town called Princeton. I might have seen it in the American cacades as well.

"Officially" it is limited to only Tweedsmuir Park and eastwards to Quesnel.
Personally I've seen it in Princeton, 100 Mile House, Kamloops, the Okanogan area, the Cascades and Manning Park.
And it aint pretty!

http://www.pfc.cfs.nrcan.gc.ca/entomology/mpb/images/waterton.jpg

http://www.pfc.cfs.nrcan.gc.ca/entomology/mpb/detection/surveys/images/flathead1_sml.jpg


http://www.pfc.cfs.nrcan.gc.ca/entomology/mpb/detection/surveys/images/flathead2_sml.jpg

http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/fidls/mt_pine_beetle/mpb_fig5.jpg


[This message has been edited by Kristian (edited 12-18-2001).]

[TomRobb]

Another NO vote for monoculture?

[TomRobb]

Another NO vote for monoculture?

[TomRobb]

Another NO vote for monoculture?

[Don Maurer]

It's the spruce beetle affecting the sitka (and all other) spruce forests. The nasty critters especially like the old growth trees. I did a search and found this web site: http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/fidls/sprucebeetle/sprucebeetle.htm

[Don Maurer]

It's the spruce beetle affecting the sitka (and all other) spruce forests. The nasty critters especially like the old growth trees. I did a search and found this web site: http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/fidls/sprucebeetle/sprucebeetle.htm

[Don Maurer]

It's the spruce beetle affecting the sitka (and all other) spruce forests. The nasty critters especially like the old growth trees. I did a search and found this web site: http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/fidls/sprucebeetle/sprucebeetle.htm

[TomRobb]

Speaking of old growth, did anyone see Nova last night on PBS about the 5 & 6 thousand year old bristle-cone pines surviving on the higher mountains out west? They even interviewed the asshole that cut down the oldest one w/ a chainsaw to see how old it was. Of course it will never get older. It was old before Moses; before Abraham; before the pyramids.... It's dificult for me to properly express my disgust with the guy.

Forests eventually deal with pests. It's us that I worry about http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/frown.gif

[TomRobb]

Speaking of old growth, did anyone see Nova last night on PBS about the 5 & 6 thousand year old bristle-cone pines surviving on the higher mountains out west? They even interviewed the asshole that cut down the oldest one w/ a chainsaw to see how old it was. Of course it will never get older. It was old before Moses; before Abraham; before the pyramids.... It's dificult for me to properly express my disgust with the guy.

Forests eventually deal with pests. It's us that I worry about http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/frown.gif

[TomRobb]

Speaking of old growth, did anyone see Nova last night on PBS about the 5 & 6 thousand year old bristle-cone pines surviving on the higher mountains out west? They even interviewed the asshole that cut down the oldest one w/ a chainsaw to see how old it was. Of course it will never get older. It was old before Moses; before Abraham; before the pyramids.... It's dificult for me to properly express my disgust with the guy.

Forests eventually deal with pests. It's us that I worry about http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/frown.gif

[Art Read]

Tom, I missed the show, but have read about those trees before. Some guy has even dug some up and trimed and pruned them to make "Bonzai" trees. So, just who was the vandal? Couldn't have been a "scientist", I hope? Why not just take a core sample or something? Just Joe Sixpack with a curious nature? Aren't they protected at all? Damn shame.

[Art Read]

Tom, I missed the show, but have read about those trees before. Some guy has even dug some up and trimed and pruned them to make "Bonzai" trees. So, just who was the vandal? Couldn't have been a "scientist", I hope? Why not just take a core sample or something? Just Joe Sixpack with a curious nature? Aren't they protected at all? Damn shame.

[Art Read]

Tom, I missed the show, but have read about those trees before. Some guy has even dug some up and trimed and pruned them to make "Bonzai" trees. So, just who was the vandal? Couldn't have been a "scientist", I hope? Why not just take a core sample or something? Just Joe Sixpack with a curious nature? Aren't they protected at all? Damn shame.

[gert]

I saw that; the guy didn't seem to show remorse; I don't think he even grasped what he had done. Those trees must get protected, write to your gongressmen or something.

[gert]

I saw that; the guy didn't seem to show remorse; I don't think he even grasped what he had done. Those trees must get protected, write to your gongressmen or something.

[gert]

I saw that; the guy didn't seem to show remorse; I don't think he even grasped what he had done. Those trees must get protected, write to your gongressmen or something.

[TomRobb]

I don't remember his name. Just as well. He had core bits but they were too short. Yes, a "scientist." Stunning degree of objectivity there. He didn't seem too very sad. The slice of the tree he cut is in a local casino for all the rubes to look at when their money runs out and they try not to contemplate their own grubby little end of days. I wonder if God feels pain? I hope he thinks it's all been worth the trouble.

[TomRobb]

I don't remember his name. Just as well. He had core bits but they were too short. Yes, a "scientist." Stunning degree of objectivity there. He didn't seem too very sad. The slice of the tree he cut is in a local casino for all the rubes to look at when their money runs out and they try not to contemplate their own grubby little end of days. I wonder if God feels pain? I hope he thinks it's all been worth the trouble.

[TomRobb]

I don't remember his name. Just as well. He had core bits but they were too short. Yes, a "scientist." Stunning degree of objectivity there. He didn't seem too very sad. The slice of the tree he cut is in a local casino for all the rubes to look at when their money runs out and they try not to contemplate their own grubby little end of days. I wonder if God feels pain? I hope he thinks it's all been worth the trouble.

[Art Read]

Too SHORT? And he couldn't take the time to run to the "scientist's" version of "Home Depot" for a longer one? Guess he thought that tree might be "going somewhere"? Well... I'm sure glad we all know now just EXACTLY how old that tree was.

(... banging my head on the keyboard...)

[Art Read]

Too SHORT? And he couldn't take the time to run to the "scientist's" version of "Home Depot" for a longer one? Guess he thought that tree might be "going somewhere"? Well... I'm sure glad we all know now just EXACTLY how old that tree was.

(... banging my head on the keyboard...)

[Art Read]

Too SHORT? And he couldn't take the time to run to the "scientist's" version of "Home Depot" for a longer one? Guess he thought that tree might be "going somewhere"? Well... I'm sure glad we all know now just EXACTLY how old that tree was.

(... banging my head on the keyboard...)

[Art Read]

God, this makes me mad. Wouldn't you think it might have been more "interesting" to just WATCH the damn thing and see how much older it could get? (Probably too hard to find "grant money" for that!) I'm not against "using" old trees. Hell, my boat has a lot of old growth Port Orford in it that probably pre-dates this countries' founding. But, it wasn't "unique", it was put to TWO good uses after it was cut down and it smells SOOOOO good...

[Art Read]

God, this makes me mad. Wouldn't you think it might have been more "interesting" to just WATCH the damn thing and see how much older it could get? (Probably too hard to find "grant money" for that!) I'm not against "using" old trees. Hell, my boat has a lot of old growth Port Orford in it that probably pre-dates this countries' founding. But, it wasn't "unique", it was put to TWO good uses after it was cut down and it smells SOOOOO good...

[Art Read]

God, this makes me mad. Wouldn't you think it might have been more "interesting" to just WATCH the damn thing and see how much older it could get? (Probably too hard to find "grant money" for that!) I'm not against "using" old trees. Hell, my boat has a lot of old growth Port Orford in it that probably pre-dates this countries' founding. But, it wasn't "unique", it was put to TWO good uses after it was cut down and it smells SOOOOO good...

[TomRobb]

Well, there is the display in the casino....

[TomRobb]

Well, there is the display in the casino....

[TomRobb]

Well, there is the display in the casino....

[Scott Rosen]

Seems to me there's only two acceptable things to do with old growth trees. Leave 'em alone or build a boat.

The teak used to build my boat is amazing stuff, nothing like the platation teak you see nowadays. I'm sure it was hauled down some Burmese mountain in the trunk of an elephant and probably sat around for 20 years before it was milled and then the lumber probably say around for another 10 years before it was turned into Patience. Given the matching grain, I think Patience was built from one tree. With any luck, that same tree was used to build a couple of other boats too.

I figure if I preserve her indefintely, then cutting down that tree won't have been in vain.

[Scott Rosen]

Seems to me there's only two acceptable things to do with old growth trees. Leave 'em alone or build a boat.

The teak used to build my boat is amazing stuff, nothing like the platation teak you see nowadays. I'm sure it was hauled down some Burmese mountain in the trunk of an elephant and probably sat around for 20 years before it was milled and then the lumber probably say around for another 10 years before it was turned into Patience. Given the matching grain, I think Patience was built from one tree. With any luck, that same tree was used to build a couple of other boats too.

I figure if I preserve her indefintely, then cutting down that tree won't have been in vain.

[Scott Rosen]

Seems to me there's only two acceptable things to do with old growth trees. Leave 'em alone or build a boat.

The teak used to build my boat is amazing stuff, nothing like the platation teak you see nowadays. I'm sure it was hauled down some Burmese mountain in the trunk of an elephant and probably sat around for 20 years before it was milled and then the lumber probably say around for another 10 years before it was turned into Patience. Given the matching grain, I think Patience was built from one tree. With any luck, that same tree was used to build a couple of other boats too.

I figure if I preserve her indefintely, then cutting down that tree won't have been in vain.

[TomRobb]

I'm not making a case for never cutting a resource tree, Scott. IMHO, if you've managed to survive over a thousand years, you ought to be left alone. You've earned it. Five or six thousand years and you ought to be given World Treasure protection. Bristle-cone pines are unlikely to provide a resource for building much of anything. Gnarly little things. Plantations would require no small patience. They said it grew , I think, nine inches in the first 70 years http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/rolleyes.gif Sustainable yield aplied to these trees seems meaningless. Their purpose, if indeed they need one, might be to impress us with a good example of patience. Our "use" of them ought to be limited to lifting a glass in toast to their continued health on a regular holiday perhaps.

[TomRobb]

I'm not making a case for never cutting a resource tree, Scott. IMHO, if you've managed to survive over a thousand years, you ought to be left alone. You've earned it. Five or six thousand years and you ought to be given World Treasure protection. Bristle-cone pines are unlikely to provide a resource for building much of anything. Gnarly little things. Plantations would require no small patience. They said it grew , I think, nine inches in the first 70 years http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/rolleyes.gif Sustainable yield aplied to these trees seems meaningless. Their purpose, if indeed they need one, might be to impress us with a good example of patience. Our "use" of them ought to be limited to lifting a glass in toast to their continued health on a regular holiday perhaps.

[TomRobb]

I'm not making a case for never cutting a resource tree, Scott. IMHO, if you've managed to survive over a thousand years, you ought to be left alone. You've earned it. Five or six thousand years and you ought to be given World Treasure protection. Bristle-cone pines are unlikely to provide a resource for building much of anything. Gnarly little things. Plantations would require no small patience. They said it grew , I think, nine inches in the first 70 years http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/rolleyes.gif Sustainable yield aplied to these trees seems meaningless. Their purpose, if indeed they need one, might be to impress us with a good example of patience. Our "use" of them ought to be limited to lifting a glass in toast to their continued health on a regular holiday perhaps.

[Bayboat]

I have communed with the bristlecone pines of the White Mountains several times. They are indeed small and gnarly, but they bear very well the dignity and beauty of great age. The thought of some certifiable idiot cutting one down for any reason just raises my gorge. He should be hung by a tender part from a branch and left to dangle in the wind.

[Bayboat]

I have communed with the bristlecone pines of the White Mountains several times. They are indeed small and gnarly, but they bear very well the dignity and beauty of great age. The thought of some certifiable idiot cutting one down for any reason just raises my gorge. He should be hung by a tender part from a branch and left to dangle in the wind.

[Bayboat]

I have communed with the bristlecone pines of the White Mountains several times. They are indeed small and gnarly, but they bear very well the dignity and beauty of great age. The thought of some certifiable idiot cutting one down for any reason just raises my gorge. He should be hung by a tender part from a branch and left to dangle in the wind.