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  • LeeG
    Senior Member
    • May 2002
    • 72781

    Sanctions against Venezuela

    Why?

    The United States House of Representatives passes a bill that will impose sanctions on Venezuelan officials who violate protesters' rights.


    The United States Congress has passed a bill which would impose sanctions on Venezuelan officials found to have violated protesters' rights.
  • seanz
    Resilient?
    • Nov 2006
    • 23662

    #2
    Re: Sanctions against Venezuela

    US Congress, always good for a laugh.
    We don't know how lucky we are....

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    • purri
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 12954

      #3
      Re: Sanctions against Venezuela

      Chile redux.
      Xanthorrea

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      • Keith Wilson
        Trying to be reasonable
        • Oct 1999
        • 64114

        #4
        Re: Sanctions against Venezuela

        Why? Because the Chavista government is a bunch of thugs - left-wing thugs with a lot of popular support, but still thugs. They've gotten quite a bit worse since Chavez's death. And with all respect, "Chile redux" shows a notable lack of understanding of both Chile in 1973 and Venezuela today.
        "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations,
        for nature cannot be fooled."

        Richard Feynman

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        • Peerie Maa
          Old Grey Inquisitive One
          • Oct 2008
          • 62422

          #5
          Re: Sanctions against Venezuela

          Originally posted by Keith Wilson
          Why? Because the Chavista government is a bunch of thugs - left-wing thugs with a lot of popular support, but still thugs. They've gotten quite a bit worse since Chavez's death. And with all respect, "Chile redux" shows a notable lack of understanding of both Chile in 1973 and Venezuela today.
          I wonder if it is the "thugs" or the "left wing" that Congress does not like? Looking at history, thugs used to be OK but even democratically elected left wing was to be sanctioned out of existence.
          It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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          • slug
            Banned
            • Dec 2012
            • 8131

            #6
            Re: Sanctions against Venezuela

            Its a Mistake to further antagonize Venuzuala. The leadership has the approval of the Venezualan people. Dont dabble in other countries politics. Regime change wont work .

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            • leikec
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2009
              • 10993

              #7
              Re: Sanctions against Venezuela

              Haven't these guys heard? We have a laser now...don't screw with us!

              Jeff C
              Don’t expect much, and you won’t be disappointed…

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              • skuthorp
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2002
                • 73600

                #8
                Re: Sanctions against Venezuela

                Originally posted by slug
                Its a Mistake to further antagonize Venuzuala. The leadership has the approval of the Venezualan people. Dont dabble in other countries politics. Regime change wont work .
                Ho, comedy routines now slug? The irony police will be round soon……………..

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                • Keith Wilson
                  Trying to be reasonable
                  • Oct 1999
                  • 64114

                  #9
                  Re: Sanctions against Venezuela

                  I wonder if it is the "thugs" or the "left wing" that Congress does not like? Looking at history, thugs used to be OK but even democratically elected left wing was to be sanctioned out of existence.
                  Depends on who in Congress you're talking about. There have been, and are still all too many who've thought that right-wing thugs were acceptable, even desirable, fans of Somoza, Strossner, D'Aubuisson, Pinochet, various Guatemalan sociopaths in uniform, the Brazilian military, even the Argentine generals. And it's often gone well beyond sanctions. The coup against Arbenz in Guatemala in 1955 is a particularly egregious example. It's interesting that two of the most f***ed-up countries in the hemisphere, Haiti and Nicaragua, were occupied by the US MArines for a good long time in the early 20th century. 'Tan lejos de Dios, tan cerca de los Estados Unidos'. But my description of the Chavisa government of Venezuela is quite accurate, and closely targeted sanctions against individuals seems a plausible thing to do.
                  Last edited by Keith Wilson; 12-12-2014, 07:40 AM.
                  "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations,
                  for nature cannot be fooled."

                  Richard Feynman

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                  • slug
                    Banned
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 8131

                    #10
                    Re: Sanctions against Venezuela

                    Seems that Congress is stuck on stupid

                    Again and again they destabilze countries, force the colapse of the offending regime , then sit back and watch as a power vacume developes and the country descends into a failed state

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                    • Jim Mahan
                      me 𑀩 thinking
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 11888

                      #11
                      Re: Sanctions against Venezuela

                      [QUOTE...]and the country descends into a failed state [/QUOTE]

                      ...and no-bid contracts for Haliburton and Blackwater. High five, over here. C'mon, up top.

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                      • Keith Wilson
                        Trying to be reasonable
                        • Oct 1999
                        • 64114

                        #12
                        Re: Sanctions against Venezuela

                        Don't be silly. Do you really imagine that sanctions against a few government officials will cause the collapse of civil order and turn Venezuela into a 'failed state'? Here's what they really mean (from the BBC story).

                        If the bill is passed, Venezuelan officials deemed to have violated the rights of protesters could be denied visas to the US and see their assets frozen.
                        Oh, the horror, the horror! Now, the sanctions may be a good idea or a bad idea - I kind of like the idea that Chavista officials with a bunch of money in US banks would have their assets frozen myself; the irony is pretty good - but the effects on the country would be small. At the risk of building a straw man, I think we see here another variation on 'Green Lantern Theory', Latin American version - that the US is all-powerful and the Venezuelans mere helpless puppets before the overwhelming might of the coloso del norte. Don't believe it. The vast majority of what happens there is a result of what the Venezuelans themselves do.
                        "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations,
                        for nature cannot be fooled."

                        Richard Feynman

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                        • PhaseLockedLoop
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 3455

                          #13
                          Re: Sanctions against Venezuela

                          Originally posted by Keith Wilson
                          Why? Because the Chavista government is a bunch of thugs - left-wing thugs with a lot of popular support, but still thugs. They've gotten quite a bit worse since Chavez's death. And with all respect, "Chile redux" shows a notable lack of understanding of both Chile in 1973 and Venezuela today.
                          Balls.
                          The Case is Altered

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                          • slug
                            Banned
                            • Dec 2012
                            • 8131

                            #14
                            Re: Sanctions against Venezuela

                            Chavez rejected the "Washington consensus " and went his own way . he educated and lifted many many Venezuelan's from poverty. He was successful.

                            Its clear that his methods has defects and now that Oil is low its clear that Venezuela will struggle to stay afloat.

                            this doesnt mean that now is a good time for Washington to swoop in and destabilize the situation even more.

                            America should work with Venuzuala, not against it

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                            • Keith Wilson
                              Trying to be reasonable
                              • Oct 1999
                              • 64114

                              #15
                              Re: Sanctions against Venezuela

                              Whether they're a good idea or not, I seriously doubt that sanctions aimed at specific individuals engaged in political repression in Venezuela will have much effect either way on the stability of the country.

                              Balls.
                              Well, now that's a cogent rebuttal. I'm humbled by your eloquence, sir.
                              "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations,
                              for nature cannot be fooled."

                              Richard Feynman

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