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Paul Pless
12-02-2014, 11:34 AM
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and get rid of the GWB.

I can't think of another piece of infrastructure which is so vital yet also so abhorrently ugly.

Might make an interesting thread, lets open it up to both good and bad examples as well as commentary. . .

Norman Bernstein
12-02-2014, 11:40 AM
I put one on the other site.. the Leonard Zakim Bridge.

Now, for the ugliest piece of modern architecture ever conceived by man: the Boston City Hall. It hurts my eyes to even post it:

http://www.bluffton.edu/~sullivanm/kallmann/front.jpg

This eyesore isn't the worst part... the brick meadow in the foreground is an enormous waste of valuable space, completely unusable in the winter, too hot to even stand on in the summer, without ANY shade, and ANY seating.

Norman Bernstein
12-02-2014, 11:49 AM
Here's another (hint: not the bridge):


There's an even worse one, in London: the building that looks like a dildo....

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01551/london-gherkin_1551149c.jpg

David W Pratt
12-02-2014, 01:05 PM
The GWB looks like a Michaelangelo sculpture beside the Tappan Zee

Canoeyawl
12-02-2014, 01:16 PM
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Might make an interesting thread, lets open it up to both good and bad examples as well as commentary. . .

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...

Canoeyawl
12-02-2014, 01:24 PM
http://interestingengineering.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Falkirk-Wheel-Genel.jpg

Donn
12-02-2014, 01:24 PM
http://media.glassdoor.com/m/27184/dnc-office.jpg

Paul Pless
12-02-2014, 01:26 PM
funny!

Peerie Maa
12-02-2014, 01:50 PM
Is an office infrastructure? Whatever, the gherkin is a brilliant piece of design. If you want appalling there is the Scottish parliament building
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2012/8/1/1343841388379/Scottish-Parliament-build-008.jpghttp://www.edinburgharchitecture.co.uk/images/jpgs/scottish_parliament_msp_qbh_feb04.jpg

To quote Phil the Greek, "They knocked down a perfectly good brewery to build that"

Hwyl
12-02-2014, 01:52 PM
Before the fire. You can see the slots the tubes were jacked up in

http://www.anglesey-history.co.uk/places/bridges/britube.jpg

after the fire (which was set by acquaintances ) With road bridge on top of the railroad.

http://www.arch.mcgill.ca/prof/sijpkes/U2-winter-2008/presentation-turcot/Brittania_Bridge__3.JPG


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britannia_Bridge

Norman Bernstein
12-02-2014, 01:53 PM
Another appalling piece of crappy architecture.... funded by a contribution from the CEO of my old company, Analog Devices (it's located at MIT). This is the Ray Stata Center:

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5263/5889788402_265b78e7e7_z.jpg

Jim Mahan
12-02-2014, 02:01 PM
Now, for the ugliest piece of modern architecture ever conceived by man: the Boston City Hall. It hurts my eyes to even post it:

Wow, looks like North Korea in the fifties, or something.

http://www.oregoncoastmagazine.com/images/bridges_yaquina.jpg

My favorites, US 101 near Big Sur. What we used to build.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Bixby_Creek_Bridge,_The_Big_Sur,_California.jpg

Jim Mahan
12-02-2014, 02:03 PM
That first one is in Oregon.

RowAndSail
12-02-2014, 02:07 PM
Habitat 67 in Montreal
http://www.westland.net/expo67/map-docs/images/habitat7.jpg

John of Phoenix
12-02-2014, 03:11 PM
One of the Phoenix suburbs, Tempe City Hall can go into either category depending on your taste.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Tempe_City_Hall_-_Tempe%2C_AZ.JPG/800px-Tempe_City_Hall_-_Tempe%2C_AZ.JPG

Jim, I've flown under that Big Sur bridge a few times. Nice work.

Norman Bernstein
12-02-2014, 03:12 PM
One of the Phoenix suburbs, Tempe City Hall can go into either category depending on your taste.


Two thumbs down on the inverted pyramid, IMHO.

John of Phoenix
12-02-2014, 03:15 PM
Two thumbs down on the inverted pyramid, IMHO.Same here. I've tried and can't think of a more impractical design - tons of wasted floor space and impossible to keep those slanted windows clean.

Norman Bernstein
12-02-2014, 03:18 PM
Same here. I've tried and can't think of a more impractical design - tons of wasted floor space and impossible to keep those slanted windows clean.

Consider post #13.... the building leaks like a sieve. I guess architectural masturbation took precedence over practical, effective design.

ron ll
12-02-2014, 03:22 PM
That first one is in Oregon.

Half of it is in Washington.

WszystekPoTrochu
12-02-2014, 03:43 PM
Ooh! Ooh! Let me!

http://vader.joemonster.org/upload/qor/l_130273384c48c16gorzowskipajak.jpg

Gorzˇw Wielkopolski. Locals call it "the spider". To say I dislike that one is an understatement. It ruined the area, which was quite good:

http://vader.joemonster.org/upload/qor/l_130275713b9d2a2298808.jpg

This is literally across the street. An old granary, build for function, is a hundred times more appealing than a... thing built for aesthetics only.

Norman Bernstein
12-02-2014, 03:56 PM
What the hell IS that monstrosity? The 'Spider'? :)

Figment
12-02-2014, 04:44 PM
OK, OK, let's keep this on track. Buildings, even government buildings, are not "infrastructure".

(primarily because my commentary on the architectural elements posted would just take too damned long to type)

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
12-02-2014, 04:51 PM
http://whygo-eur.s3.amazonaws.com/www.parislogue.com/files/2009/02/abbesses1.jpg

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
12-02-2014, 04:58 PM
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/400xY/2012/5/17583968.JPG

Paul Pless
12-02-2014, 04:58 PM
these could grow on me, they do need glowing red noses though. . .

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/17gji5tdm3rc5jpg.jpg

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
12-02-2014, 05:06 PM
Life, hanging by a thread
http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/images/7/71/Newport_Transporter_Bridge_-_Geograph_-_556532.jpg

ron ll
12-02-2014, 05:23 PM
http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/53c030c5f92ea13e64025789/qtwRq2N.jpg

ron ll
12-02-2014, 05:28 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zb7891Mm1CA/R6Z_e4QdJVI/AAAAAAAABCw/Rr3Vmecwahg/s400/s24.JPG

This is and many other pieces of "Urban Accessories" and product design and architecture were designed by my former business partner, Robert Haggard. A brilliant designer who lost his battle with alcohol far too young.

WszystekPoTrochu
12-02-2014, 05:46 PM
What the hell IS that monstrosity? The 'Spider'? :)

Some bunch of dimwits said "Gorzˇw needs something characteristic!" and decided to build a "dominant" doubling as a viewpoint, in the middle of a roundabout - access is from underground passage.
Of course a hundred thousand inhabitants city needs something characteristic, pff. Not that they have this:

http://vader.joemonster.org/upload/qor/xl_1302832964b8c54jpg_original.jpg

http://vader.joemonster.org/upload/qor/xl_1302833d181b969jpg_original.jpg

A cute boulevard just near the river, hidden from the noise of the city with the longest registered engineering historical building in the country - the railway estacade.

But I guess the spider fits somebody's tastes better.

Breakaway
12-03-2014, 12:16 AM
As far as the GWB being an eyesore, I can't say. But beneath its eastern tower, perched on the exposed bedrock, sits Jeffery's Hook Lighthouse ( built 1880), subject of the fabulous children's book, The Little Red Lighthouse and the Great Gray Bridge.

http://c2.api.ning.com/files/OP2lDMj7UOrIuAcKoAmXydqnAOrdBJfVjOa3TRHUtX9vK9pXgO FgbsFrGT90IHnEgFXzCsuJCdnfjKFPyiaMzjqcd-bOj25e/LittleRedLighthouse.jpg

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/09/14/nyregion/14lighthouse.jpg
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51U62tRfhLL.jpg

Kevin

David G
12-03-2014, 01:21 AM
Portland's newest bridge - Tillicum Crossing. Bikes, walkers, and light rail only. Not bad at all --

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3841/14811934067_20da854199_z.jpg

LeeG
12-03-2014, 01:27 AM
David G., that is not at all bad.

David G
12-03-2014, 01:28 AM
And... east of here, running up the Gorge... the Columbia River Hwy --

https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0SO8wImrH5U0qcAtwhXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB0 b3RkZzRnBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkA1NNRTM5OV8x?_ adv_prop=image&fr=yfp-t-250&sz=all&va=columbia+river+historic+highway

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EYWcIID5tCU/Tyj84L86dwI/AAAAAAAAFmA/0kR7wGBsh9E/s1600/Columbia+River+Highway-c.jpg



Which also includes Vista House... at the Crown Point Overlook --

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-n-Ntn0mEX-o/UpElCjDCxNI/AAAAAAAAX7g/3h8UwJqtKj0/s1600/crown_point_and_vista_house_2004.jpg

David G
12-03-2014, 01:31 AM
Another Portland bridge I like - the Fremont --

http://www.lightthebridges.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/fremont-bridge.jpg

David G
12-03-2014, 01:36 AM
And, of course, the St. Johns Bridge --

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5484/10898184154_b1fc624543_z.jpg


https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1123/5121495419_dabbc948a0_z.jpg

John Meachen
12-03-2014, 12:48 PM
I like this:

http://files1.structurae.de/files/photos/1/20100623/dsc05517.jpg

The Pont de Normandy near Le Havre and I have driven over it,not sure I would want to do it on a windy day though.

Another French edifice-the Milau viaduct.

http://selectedphoto.ro/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Millau-Viaduct1.jpg

RowAndSail
12-03-2014, 02:15 PM
Bloor Street Viaduct in Toronto (officially the Prince Edward Viaduct)
Photo by Alan L Brown
(This spot was a popular location for people attempting to commit suicide; a barrier called 'The Luminous Veil' was selected in a 1999 design competition and installation was completed in 2003)


http://www.torontohistory.org/Graphics/Prince_Edward_Viaduct.jpg

RowAndSail
12-03-2014, 02:18 PM
SSupports of a portion of the Gardiner Expressway which has been removed in the east end of Toronto
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Pillars_of_dismantled_portion_of_Gardiner_Expressw ay_in_Toronto_2009.jpg/1024px-Pillars_of_dismantled_portion_of_Gardiner_Expressw ay_in_Toronto_2009.jpg

Breakaway
12-03-2014, 02:25 PM
This elevated section of railroad in Bridgeport, Connecticut caught my eye when I was there a few months back. Looking upon this structure, I was taken back a hundred years ( in my imagination of course).

https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10641163_10203577917342076_3991504073903522463_n.j pg?oh=533a60b71df5b2a5ea4ac85f57dc7c08&oe=55148D36


Or how about this footbridge in the Catskill Mountains of upstate New York?
https://scontent-b-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10505302_10203225343087940_1529522952182644739_n.j pg?oh=a0d32590ec4bd72bbcca62c0d98b2d9b&oe=550E71B6

Kevin

Flying Orca
12-03-2014, 02:37 PM
This spot was a popular location for people attempting to commit suicide; a barrier called 'The Luminous Veil' was selected in a 1999 design competition and installation was completed in 2003

Interesting - I'm familiar with the barrier but didn't know the name or history. Presumably it influenced Tony Dekker's use of the term in this song:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k13D40sfEk

Figment
12-03-2014, 02:42 PM
This elevated section of railroad in Bridgeport, Connecticut caught my eye when I was there a few months back. Looking upon this structure, I was taken back a hundred years ( in my imagination of course).


Follow that rail line up the coast and you'll find innumerable such bridges, all made from that same kit of parts.
And all just slightly too low for most commercial traffic.
My grandfather made a good pile of money back in the day by special-ordering all of his trucks to be low enough to fit under almost all of them.

AndyG
12-03-2014, 02:56 PM
I do like the half-hearted approach to health and safety that is the Pontcysyllte Aqueduct.

http://www.chirk.com/visitwales/pontcysyllte.jpg

Paul Pless
12-03-2014, 03:03 PM
sweet jesus, my vertigo would be in high gear. . .

johnw
12-03-2014, 03:09 PM
There's an even worse one, in London: the building that looks like a dildo....

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01551/london-gherkin_1551149c.jpg

Does the Gherkin Building vibrate?

johnw
12-03-2014, 03:11 PM
Ooh! Ooh! Let me!

http://vader.joemonster.org/upload/qor/l_130273384c48c16gorzowskipajak.jpg

Gorzˇw Wielkopolski. Locals call it "the spider". To say I dislike that one is an understatement. It ruined the area, which was quite good:


I'm hoping the original occupant succumbed to Earths's microbes.

http://www.satanicstorytime.com/wp-content/uploads/War-of-the-Worlds-Image-for-EP-15.jpg

Paul Pless
12-03-2014, 03:25 PM
Does the Gherkin Building vibrate?zing!

Figment
12-03-2014, 06:17 PM
I do like the half-hearted approach to health and safety that is the Pontcysyllte Aqueduct.

Definitely on my bucket list.

WszystekPoTrochu
12-03-2014, 07:30 PM
http://vader.joemonster.org/upload/qos/1303271270fd07bdarkwatermovieposter.jpg

This is all I can think of when seeing one of these roof water tanks.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Aquanet_Pozna%C5%84_RB1.JPG/640px-Aquanet_Pozna%C5%84_RB1.JPG

Waterworks, Poznań. Waterworks are nice quite often, somehow. I wonder why.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Imienia_Maryi_Church_Poznan.JPG/800px-Imienia_Maryi_Church_Poznan.JPG

A church, also Poznań. I can safely bet that one is one of the ugliest in a hundred mile radius...


Note how often the bad examples have something to do with brutalism, modernism or postmodernism. These trends required exceptionally good intuition and even then not always aged well.

Breakaway
12-03-2014, 07:57 PM
My grandfather made a good pile of money back in the day by special-ordering all of his trucks to be low enough to fit under almost all of them.

Cool anecdote. Thanks for sharing that.

Kevin

johnw
12-03-2014, 08:23 PM
In Japan the highway rest areas have light poles that look like space ships:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/twodot/Space_alien_1_zps32eebde0.jpg

The original version:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/twodot/Space_alien_2_zps2556fa55.jpg

It helps that you had a picture of space ships to compare them to.

marshcat
12-04-2014, 10:10 AM
I am partial to DC.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XuXOyZLHdIM/SKZMSKLMjKI/AAAAAAAAAaU/djW1zpeeWY8/s1600/Memorial+Bridge+01+--+08-12-08.jpg

marshcat
12-04-2014, 10:14 AM
...and Richmond

http://www.up-front.org/vintage_richmond/Main_Street_Station-1900-small.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/Egyptian_Building.JPG/800px-Egyptian_Building.JPG

David G
12-05-2014, 12:18 AM
Back in #35, I posted a daytime shot of Tillicum Crossing. Here's an even better view - lit up at night --


http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/0f56602b10fcd7b87bd5515f8fc860b9cbec5d87/c=116-0-684-427&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/KGW/KGW/2014/12/04/635533013411470263-Tilikum-Crossing-Bridge-Reflective.jpg

Jimmy W
12-05-2014, 12:44 AM
The Blue Ridge Parkway is beautiful.
http://d3v11bbb5obkq8.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/southern-wedding-blue-ridge-parkway.jpg

I happened to be there and drove the Linn Cove Viaduct section on the first day that it was open. A bomb scare delayed the opening that day. That was in the fall, when the leaves were beautiful also.

http://cdn.desktopwallpapers4.me/wallpapers/photography/1920x1200/3/20601-blue-ridge-parkway-in-fall-1920x1200-photography-wallpaper.jpg

Jimmy W
12-05-2014, 01:04 AM
The Cherohala Skyway is also beautiful and might just get more motorcycles than cars. This isn't one of my photos, but there was snow there the last time that I went.

http://www.tailofthedragontours.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/19.jpg

slug
12-05-2014, 01:24 AM
The Uljanik shipyard cranes, Pula. http://www.uljanik.hr/index.php/en/

http://s27.postimg.org/uge5hng4z/image.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/ira5top67/full/)
sube (http://postimage.org/index.php?lang=spanish)

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
12-05-2014, 01:27 AM
I do like the half-hearted approach to health and safety that is the Pontcysyllte Aqueduct.

http://www.chirk.com/visitwales/pontcysyllte.jpg

Try it in a kayak.

WszystekPoTrochu
12-05-2014, 01:31 AM
http://vader.joemonster.org/upload/qos/l_1303878b10723f8scoutsacrossaquaduct.jpg


Like that? Or maybe let's go from spectacular to plain stupid:


http://vader.joemonster.org/upload/qos/l_13038779b2e7318478273_1015276496719.jpg

Chip-skiff
12-05-2014, 03:16 AM
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-cvQ9vD-Qc-4/UPrsiy7ZnlI/AAAAAAAADXU/m_lzCK3mSks/s720/napier.jpg

Napier, NZ


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-jsgfsb1y64Q/UQqup7Ite5I/AAAAAAAADeQ/0ZRty5j58Q4/s849/snowfence.jpg

Snow fence, Wyoming-Colorado border.


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-2PhUI2zdefc/URiIpwiILII/AAAAAAAADjM/AFiWVWk8bl0/s799/tbridge1.jpg

Can't recall the name of the river, maybe near Tauranga, NZ.

devout
12-05-2014, 04:01 AM
The root of bad taste is often easy money. Condom Tower in Doha, Qatar below. It is hideous. The ones on both sides of it aren't much better. And there are many examples in this city.

https://scontent-a-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10622745_10152725680548417_1421563248038844578_n.j pg?oh=34c54b7f94b347365a47ab86853b540d&oe=551EB85A

And then, when you despair, they come up with this. It is the Museum of Islamic Art, and I like it. Perhaps just the tall window down the left hand side spoils it. But it is a museum, so they probably need the light.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10612689_10152741478843417_4734892096558489700_n.j pg?oh=75ed91bbc91c8670fc0b6d3e5f2fa858&oe=550F5603&__gda__=1426244198_c6420810d43bfdfaf4d06c5ac491a04 5

PeterSibley
12-05-2014, 04:31 AM
There was that viral video of a famous low bridge which was so reliable that people would set up video cameras:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzkWTcDZFH0


That is SO depressing !

Paul Pless
12-05-2014, 05:50 AM
that bridge is really tough on box trucks; the rv's having their ac units swept off is kinda funny; the semi's hitting is just sad and inexcusably stupid. . .

Figment
12-05-2014, 09:03 AM
Back on the Pontcysyllte Aqueduct for a moment.... I wonder if they ever had trouble with the horses freaking out?

johnw
12-05-2014, 03:25 PM
http://vader.joemonster.org/upload/qos/l_1303878b10723f8scoutsacrossaquaduct.jpg


Like that? Or maybe let's go from spectacular to plain stupid:


http://vader.joemonster.org/upload/qos/l_13038779b2e7318478273_1015276496719.jpg

Those pictures make the soles of my feet tingle in a most unpleasant way.

Keith Wilson
12-05-2014, 03:39 PM
There was that viral video of a famous low bridge which was so reliable that people would set up video cameras:Oy! I've driven under that bridge many times, although never in a truck. It's just SW of downtown Durham, NC. There are many alternate routes; those guys are just idiots.

johnw
12-05-2014, 04:22 PM
One of my favorite lighthouses, at Chania, on Crete. Built in 1570 by the Venetians and rebuilt several times.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Chania_Lighthouse_R01.jpg

willmarsh3
12-05-2014, 04:23 PM
...and Richmond

http://www.up-front.org/vintage_richmond/Main_Street_Station-1900-small.jpg



I drove past this on my way to and from college and remember the roof being burned away. I'm glad they got it rebuilt.

http://www.greatamericanstations.com/Stations/RVM

WszystekPoTrochu
12-05-2014, 06:00 PM
One of my favorite lighthouses, at Chania, on Crete. Built in 1570 by the Venetians and rebuilt several times.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Chania_Lighthouse_R01.jpg

Marvellous.

Since we're in Greece, let's look at most literal infrastructure:

http://vader.joemonster.org/upload/qot/xl_1304143217b4f1cIMG_1970_Metro_stacj.jpg

http://vader.joemonster.org/upload/qot/xl_1304144e6004098IMG_1982.jpg

One of many nice underground railway stations in Athens.

Paul Pless
12-05-2014, 06:08 PM
The Corinth Canal looks wicked cool.

http://www.strangevehicles.com/images/content/146954.jpg

Duncan Gibbs
12-05-2014, 07:11 PM
I've designed a few bits of infrastructure in my time...

A noise attenuation wall in Liverpool in the west of Sydney:

http://www.duncangibbs.com.au/uploads/1/8/5/9/18590364/6112986_orig.jpg
http://www.duncangibbs.com.au/uploads/1/8/5/9/18590364/1150207_orig.jpg

A park integrated with a 1 mega litre storm water treatment and harvesting facility underneath it, including an interpretive artwork on top that outlines the water sensitive urban design features of the estate I was working on, as well as the history of the old 1870 sugar mill that had ruins left on site:

http://www.duncangibbs.com.au/uploads/1/8/5/9/18590364/5993405_orig.jpg

http://www.duncangibbs.com.au/uploads/1/8/5/9/18590364/6641354_orig.jpg
http://www.duncangibbs.com.au/uploads/1/8/5/9/18590364/4787852_orig.jpg

http://www.duncangibbs.com.au/uploads/1/8/5/9/18590364/2368701_orig.jpg

The images are cast into the face of the concrete pipe and use the graphic version of record grooves to create a contrast pattern giving you the image.

Duncan Gibbs
12-05-2014, 07:21 PM
I've designed a few flood detention basins as well...

This one had two full sized cricket/Aussie rules footy fields as the floor and about a hundred thousand trees planted around the edges to create a new forest, and had a capacity of 500 mega litres to slow the water from a velocity of about 20m p/s down to 1 m p/s at the other end:

http://www.duncangibbs.com.au/uploads/1/8/5/9/18590364/1964477_orig.jpg

Here's one that sits next to the old Tempe Tip (rubbish dump). The whole hillside was capped in sandstone tailings from a nearby tunnel project to contain and filter the leachates which were then further treated in reed beds and reused to irrigate the golf range on top of the old tip mound (at the top of the embankment shown that leads down to the detention basins):

http://www.duncangibbs.com.au/uploads/1/8/5/9/18590364/3677692_orig.jpg

http://www.duncangibbs.com.au/uploads/1/8/5/9/18590364/7096098_orig.jpg

http://www.duncangibbs.com.au/uploads/1/8/5/9/18590364/3154500_orig.jpg

http://www.duncangibbs.com.au/uploads/1/8/5/9/18590364/8531585_orig.jpg

Bubba L.
12-05-2014, 07:23 PM
Jesus Christ!!! This is my first visit to this thread and my last. Why would anyone want to gather all the most hideous stuff in the world into one place and then look at it???!!! :arg Some of that stuff actually hurt!

Gene

Duncan Gibbs
12-05-2014, 07:28 PM
Here's another detention basin/stormwater quality treatment pond. It has a weir in the middle of it that helps aerate the water, which is then pumped (using solar power) back up to the pond headwater to flow around the whole system again. This is the race crossing from the headwater:

http://www.duncangibbs.com.au/uploads/1/8/5/9/18590364/3247750_orig.jpg

The upper pond jetty (the trees have all grown up since the shot was taken):

http://www.duncangibbs.com.au/uploads/1/8/5/9/18590364/3887767_orig.jpg

The lower pond jetty:

http://www.duncangibbs.com.au/uploads/1/8/5/9/18590364/3974184_orig.jpg

http://www.duncangibbs.com.au/uploads/1/8/5/9/18590364/3256175_orig.jpg

Why not have a fountain as well!

http://www.duncangibbs.com.au/uploads/1/8/5/9/18590364/8644461_orig.jpg

The Bigfella
12-05-2014, 07:30 PM
Nice ones Dunc.

Here's one that I made a serious mistake with...

http://www.scottbirdphotography.com/Best-Of-Collections/Best-Local-History/i-sC7RhsK/0/X3/A60J2735-X3.jpg

That's the 1988 monument on the site of the 'Battle of Vinegar Hill', March 5 1804.

http://monumentaustralia.org.au/content/directory/full/Vinegar_Hill_Memorial-31031-22941.jpg

Nah.... I didn't design it, I just gave the land to the local Council.

My mistake? I should have put a covenant on it that not one politician's name could appear... ever. The bastards keep on adding their names to it.... There's seven bloody plaques on it now

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jTE60Zx6qAM/SRTDkh6mlDI/AAAAAAAAC_8/kEITxGurgtE/s400/006.jpg

Canoeyawl
12-05-2014, 08:18 PM
I like these new high speed bridge designs

http://postmediaedmonton.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/2313.walterdalebetterb.jpg

ron ll
12-05-2014, 08:22 PM
Jesus Christ!!! This is my first visit to this thread and my last. Why would anyone want to gather all the most hideous stuff in the world into one place and then look at it???!!! :arg Some of that stuff actually hurt!

Gene

Then I guess you won't read this. But there is some pretty nice stuff here too. Your job, just as in real life, is to sort what you like and what you don't. :)

katey
12-10-2014, 09:48 PM
I don't have any e-pictures, but I really liked both the municipal trash cans and the storm drains in Ponce, Puerto Rico.

Canoeyawl
12-10-2014, 10:33 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9QFB_OTWpbM/UiV316WTNMI/AAAAAAAABMI/d9Ov05RC8Us/s1600/Bridge-Japan4.jpg

WszystekPoTrochu
12-11-2014, 03:17 AM
Thing I absolutely hate:

http://vader.joemonster.org/upload/qov/130649061179bd2z15054710QKielcelist.jpg


These turn out mediocre at best, even if they really try:

http://vader.joemonster.org/upload/qov/13064957716746ds8_droga_29052013.jpg


Covering them with greenery is the best solution

http://vader.joemonster.org/upload/qov/l_13065014b80ce6akatowicka.jpg


For some reason though they started mounting steel/composite panels instead of concrete. Less noise protection, slim chances vines will want to grow other them, start rusting after ten years. What's the point? 10% savings in initial cost?

Reynard38
12-11-2014, 05:38 AM
The Cherohala Skyway is also beautiful and might just get more motorcycles than cars. This isn't one of my photos, but there was snow there the last time that I went.

http://www.tailofthedragontours.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/19.jpg

very possibly one of the best roads on the planet.

The Bigfella
12-11-2014, 07:30 AM
very possibly one of the best roads on the planet.

I think I could add a few contenders to that one.... and cop-free to boot

The Bigfella
12-11-2014, 07:35 AM
I've been known to use this example in my work from time to time

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Pruitt-igoeUSGS02.jpg/1024px-Pruitt-igoeUSGS02.jpg

The Pruitt–Igoe complex was composed of 33 buildings of 11 stories each, located on 57 acres (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acre) of the Near North Side of St. Louis, Missouri. The four large branching structures in the foreground were the Vaughan Public Housing Complex (also demolished).

WszystekPoTrochu
12-11-2014, 08:40 AM
I never had problems with such flats, providing they are kept clean and are repainted from time to time. Way more space behind the window, easy to heat up. I guess mentality is the problem here, as contrary to US, UK or France such housing did not cause social problems in Germany, Finland, Hungary or Poland.

Having to choose between these:
http://vader.joemonster.org/upload/qov/l_13066344115877f7fsqybxd59zs7pv3822p.jpg
http://vader.joemonster.org/upload/qov/l_130663571eebf7d10403115_76571207011.jpg

and the new, non-cuboid, freshly finished ones:

http://vader.joemonster.org/upload/qov/l_13066393a579a41blo2.jpg
http://vader.joemonster.org/upload/qov/l_13066408953fcfdblo1.jpg

Most people prefer the old ones, to the point where 30-50 year old flats are more pricey than almost new.

Figment
12-11-2014, 08:42 AM
I've been known to use this example in my work from time to time


As an example of what, exactly?

The Bigfella
12-11-2014, 03:35 PM
As an example of what, exactly?

As an example of why our government requires agencies to go through the value management and risk management processes when developing business cases for new projects. The bulldozing of that one, just 20 years after construction, makes a convenient and concise example to kick things off and get participants thinking beyond their normal focus.

I'm looking at one now that is an order of magnitude bigger than P-I. Dealing with (many) tens of billions tends to concentrate people's thinking... it doesn't hurt to consider the "what-if"s

Paul Pless
12-11-2014, 03:41 PM
As an example of why our government. . .no local bad examples?

The Bigfella
12-11-2014, 04:07 PM
no local bad examples?

I don't descend into parochialism.

Paul Pless
12-11-2014, 04:13 PM
what about relevance?

The Bigfella
12-11-2014, 04:54 PM
what about relevance?

Oh, totally relevant. Totally.

Hey, you guys don't think you can get away with just sending us Hollywood productions, do you?

Here... take a look at this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7RwwkNzF68


I think the gubbies who built that lot out Russkied the Russians

From here: http://arcchicago.blogspot.com.au/2011/08/beyond-dogma-myth-of-pruitt-igoe-at.html

It's said to be a prototype of toxic architecture, taking residents from hope to despair in little more a than a decade. What could they have been thinking? What could anyone have expected with those kind of residents? Better to have left them in the slums.

H.L. Mencken once said: "There is always a well-known solution to every human--neat, plausible and wrong." In the case of Pruitt-Igoe, that applies both to the original conception and its subsequent interpretations....

In St. Louis as in Chicago, the forest of high-rises was not anyone's first choice. Just as Richard J. Daley had resisted the idea of relying on high-rises for public housing, Yamasaki's original conception was for a mixture of high-rise, low-rise and walk-up buildings. But in St. Louis as in Chicago, in an early supply chain experiment, the Feds mandated that high-rises were cheaper and more efficient, just as in St. Louis, they decided to save money by only having the elevators on three of the eleven floors of the high-rises, and to "value engineer" by making the units too small to be livable.

In Chicago, as in St. Louis, public housing followed a usual trajectory. At the start, it was a major step up from the slums, and residents were drawn from all races, a large percentage holding steady jobs. Management screened applicants, and operated the buildings professionally.

As time went on, management became more political. Funds for maintenance were at a premium, and not adequate for keeping the buildings in repair. (The same Federal Government that approved the building of Pruitt-Igoe somehow forget to include funds for maintenance.) People who had good jobs fled as soon as they could, and the projects increasingly become a dumping ground, with screening going out the window, and fewer and fewer residents employed.

Paul Pless
12-11-2014, 04:59 PM
i live about an hour drive from here bud. . .


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Fredrick_Douglass_Housing_Project_Towers_2010.jpg/1280px-Fredrick_Douglass_Housing_Project_Towers_2010.jpg

The Bigfella
12-11-2014, 05:22 PM
i live about an hour drive from here bud. . .


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Fredrick_Douglass_Housing_Project_Towers_2010.jpg/1280px-Fredrick_Douglass_Housing_Project_Towers_2010.jpg

I guess you are just lucky.

Sure, there's some crappy infrastructure around here. The reason I use P-I as an example is that it is so well studied.... and the scale of it makes people stop and think.

One of our local eyesores is right at the gateway to Sydney. Its appropriately named after a Labor politician. I give you the Cahill Expressway

http://www.ozroads.com.au/NSW/Freeways/F7/01.JPG

Its a real blot.... but the 270 degree corner at the right hand end in the photo below, to get you onto the Harbour Bridge is a real hoot.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/medias.photodeck.com/f663bdfa-d00c-11e1-8108-bbb5ed7c7e97/120103-A422_xlarge.jpg