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Art Read
10-12-2003, 10:40 PM
So, pumping out the gallon or so of rainwater that has collected in MELINDA's bilges each of the past few days since the weather turned, I'm contemplating long term solutions. Obviously a boat cover is in order, right after the sail cover arrives, but it occurs to me I'll sleep better at night on those occasions when I have to leave town and will leave her "unattended" for a week or more if I have some sort of automatic system in place. It would really only be for when she's at the dock so I'm starting to wonder if a regular 12 volt "Rule" with the battery to match makes the most sense. Might there not be some sort of 110 "sump pump" type unit I could just plug in before leaving her? Or would it be possible to rig some sort of "trickle charger" on a marine battery "in situ" instead of buying a pair and swapping 'em out to recharge every time they run down. I don't want to build in a whole "real" electrical system with shore power and battery chargers, etc. Is there a less complicated system any of you have had success with?
Art Read
10-12-2003, 10:40 PM
So, pumping out the gallon or so of rainwater that has collected in MELINDA's bilges each of the past few days since the weather turned, I'm contemplating long term solutions. Obviously a boat cover is in order, right after the sail cover arrives, but it occurs to me I'll sleep better at night on those occasions when I have to leave town and will leave her "unattended" for a week or more if I have some sort of automatic system in place. It would really only be for when she's at the dock so I'm starting to wonder if a regular 12 volt "Rule" with the battery to match makes the most sense. Might there not be some sort of 110 "sump pump" type unit I could just plug in before leaving her? Or would it be possible to rig some sort of "trickle charger" on a marine battery "in situ" instead of buying a pair and swapping 'em out to recharge every time they run down. I don't want to build in a whole "real" electrical system with shore power and battery chargers, etc. Is there a less complicated system any of you have had success with?
Art Read
10-12-2003, 10:40 PM
So, pumping out the gallon or so of rainwater that has collected in MELINDA's bilges each of the past few days since the weather turned, I'm contemplating long term solutions. Obviously a boat cover is in order, right after the sail cover arrives, but it occurs to me I'll sleep better at night on those occasions when I have to leave town and will leave her "unattended" for a week or more if I have some sort of automatic system in place. It would really only be for when she's at the dock so I'm starting to wonder if a regular 12 volt "Rule" with the battery to match makes the most sense. Might there not be some sort of 110 "sump pump" type unit I could just plug in before leaving her? Or would it be possible to rig some sort of "trickle charger" on a marine battery "in situ" instead of buying a pair and swapping 'em out to recharge every time they run down. I don't want to build in a whole "real" electrical system with shore power and battery chargers, etc. Is there a less complicated system any of you have had success with?
Jack Heinlen
10-13-2003, 01:30 AM
If your planking job is good, and Melinda doesn't leak, I would just pump out the rain water before sailing. By all means a cover. All the 'stuff' needed to rig an electric pump seems silly to me.
Have faith in your workmanship; don't worry so much Art. smile.gif
Jack Heinlen
10-13-2003, 01:30 AM
If your planking job is good, and Melinda doesn't leak, I would just pump out the rain water before sailing. By all means a cover. All the 'stuff' needed to rig an electric pump seems silly to me.
Have faith in your workmanship; don't worry so much Art. smile.gif
Jack Heinlen
10-13-2003, 01:30 AM
If your planking job is good, and Melinda doesn't leak, I would just pump out the rain water before sailing. By all means a cover. All the 'stuff' needed to rig an electric pump seems silly to me.
Have faith in your workmanship; don't worry so much Art. smile.gif
Art Read
10-13-2003, 01:42 AM
Perhaps your right, Jack... Etcept for rain, there hasn't been ANY water in the bilge yet and a cover should keep that to a minimum. But in my experience, "Sunbrella" WILL allow water to pass through once fully "soaked". Especially as it ages. No? I suppose I'd have to leave her unattended for quite a long, wet spell for rain water to accumulate dangerously, but it does enter ones mind... Perhaps, like the ballast issue, this one gets "mulled over" for a while before taking any action.
Art Read
10-13-2003, 01:42 AM
Perhaps your right, Jack... Etcept for rain, there hasn't been ANY water in the bilge yet and a cover should keep that to a minimum. But in my experience, "Sunbrella" WILL allow water to pass through once fully "soaked". Especially as it ages. No? I suppose I'd have to leave her unattended for quite a long, wet spell for rain water to accumulate dangerously, but it does enter ones mind... Perhaps, like the ballast issue, this one gets "mulled over" for a while before taking any action.
Art Read
10-13-2003, 01:42 AM
Perhaps your right, Jack... Etcept for rain, there hasn't been ANY water in the bilge yet and a cover should keep that to a minimum. But in my experience, "Sunbrella" WILL allow water to pass through once fully "soaked". Especially as it ages. No? I suppose I'd have to leave her unattended for quite a long, wet spell for rain water to accumulate dangerously, but it does enter ones mind... Perhaps, like the ballast issue, this one gets "mulled over" for a while before taking any action.
Well you can rule out a solar panel trickle charger. This *is* after all Seattle. Maybe a wind powered one?
Well you can rule out a solar panel trickle charger. This *is* after all Seattle. Maybe a wind powered one?
Well you can rule out a solar panel trickle charger. This *is* after all Seattle. Maybe a wind powered one?
Jack Heinlen
10-13-2003, 01:55 AM
Etcept for rain, there hasn't been ANY water in the bilge You're fine, the boat is fine. Rig a cockpit cover to keep the rain out.
Stories of sailing that lovely goober would always be welcome.
I had that same design sitting in my front yard for a couple years, and even though it was in last stage decrepitude I always admired its shape.
Jack Heinlen
10-13-2003, 01:55 AM
Etcept for rain, there hasn't been ANY water in the bilge You're fine, the boat is fine. Rig a cockpit cover to keep the rain out.
Stories of sailing that lovely goober would always be welcome.
I had that same design sitting in my front yard for a couple years, and even though it was in last stage decrepitude I always admired its shape.
Jack Heinlen
10-13-2003, 01:55 AM
Etcept for rain, there hasn't been ANY water in the bilge You're fine, the boat is fine. Rig a cockpit cover to keep the rain out.
Stories of sailing that lovely goober would always be welcome.
I had that same design sitting in my front yard for a couple years, and even though it was in last stage decrepitude I always admired its shape.
Leon Steyns
10-13-2003, 02:57 AM
Art,
I agree with earlier comments against the electrical system. If you rig a cockpit cover like a boom tent, there should be minimal risk of 'water pockets' (that DO leak after some time).
The best option is to go sailing every day... smile.gif
Greets, Leon Steyns.
Leon Steyns
10-13-2003, 02:57 AM
Art,
I agree with earlier comments against the electrical system. If you rig a cockpit cover like a boom tent, there should be minimal risk of 'water pockets' (that DO leak after some time).
The best option is to go sailing every day... smile.gif
Greets, Leon Steyns.
Leon Steyns
10-13-2003, 02:57 AM
Art,
I agree with earlier comments against the electrical system. If you rig a cockpit cover like a boom tent, there should be minimal risk of 'water pockets' (that DO leak after some time).
The best option is to go sailing every day... smile.gif
Greets, Leon Steyns.
Andrew Craig-Bennett
10-13-2003, 07:57 AM
I also recommend NOT fitting an electic bilge pump, but getting a cover made and fitted as soon as possible. Yes rainwater will get through most materials if you let it lie in a puddle on top of it, so cover design must incorporate ridges and slopes everywhere. If this is done the rain will not penetrate, but will run off.
If you fit an electric pump, you will never know if she is making water or not....its better to know!
Andrew Craig-Bennett
10-13-2003, 07:57 AM
I also recommend NOT fitting an electic bilge pump, but getting a cover made and fitted as soon as possible. Yes rainwater will get through most materials if you let it lie in a puddle on top of it, so cover design must incorporate ridges and slopes everywhere. If this is done the rain will not penetrate, but will run off.
If you fit an electric pump, you will never know if she is making water or not....its better to know!
Andrew Craig-Bennett
10-13-2003, 07:57 AM
I also recommend NOT fitting an electic bilge pump, but getting a cover made and fitted as soon as possible. Yes rainwater will get through most materials if you let it lie in a puddle on top of it, so cover design must incorporate ridges and slopes everywhere. If this is done the rain will not penetrate, but will run off.
If you fit an electric pump, you will never know if she is making water or not....its better to know!
Bob Smalser
10-13-2003, 01:20 PM
You don't need an electrical "system" to have a simple electric pump.
I mount a 9-dollar Rule pump in all my work boats...those and a small garden-tractor battery in the dock box make life easier than bailing with a bucket....the boats are usually sunk to the gunwales in Winter...I just hook up the battery and go do something else for a half hour while they pump out.
http://pic3.picturetrail.com/VOL12/1104763/2595357/29609395.jpg
On a pleasure boat, you can do a fancier job than this crude protection from cargo. Like I said, I let them sink, but if I wanted to pump them out automatically at some point, I'd simply wire in a float switch at the level where I wanted the pump to start, hook up the battery, and walk away.
These small pumps don't use much juice...even with our heavy rainfall, I'd get a couple weeks out of a battery charge using a float switch.
[ 10-13-2003, 01:23 PM: Message edited by: Bob Smalser ]
Bob Smalser
10-13-2003, 01:20 PM
You don't need an electrical "system" to have a simple electric pump.
I mount a 9-dollar Rule pump in all my work boats...those and a small garden-tractor battery in the dock box make life easier than bailing with a bucket....the boats are usually sunk to the gunwales in Winter...I just hook up the battery and go do something else for a half hour while they pump out.
http://pic3.picturetrail.com/VOL12/1104763/2595357/29609395.jpg
On a pleasure boat, you can do a fancier job than this crude protection from cargo. Like I said, I let them sink, but if I wanted to pump them out automatically at some point, I'd simply wire in a float switch at the level where I wanted the pump to start, hook up the battery, and walk away.
These small pumps don't use much juice...even with our heavy rainfall, I'd get a couple weeks out of a battery charge using a float switch.
[ 10-13-2003, 01:23 PM: Message edited by: Bob Smalser ]
Bob Smalser
10-13-2003, 01:20 PM
You don't need an electrical "system" to have a simple electric pump.
I mount a 9-dollar Rule pump in all my work boats...those and a small garden-tractor battery in the dock box make life easier than bailing with a bucket....the boats are usually sunk to the gunwales in Winter...I just hook up the battery and go do something else for a half hour while they pump out.
http://pic3.picturetrail.com/VOL12/1104763/2595357/29609395.jpg
On a pleasure boat, you can do a fancier job than this crude protection from cargo. Like I said, I let them sink, but if I wanted to pump them out automatically at some point, I'd simply wire in a float switch at the level where I wanted the pump to start, hook up the battery, and walk away.
These small pumps don't use much juice...even with our heavy rainfall, I'd get a couple weeks out of a battery charge using a float switch.
[ 10-13-2003, 01:23 PM: Message edited by: Bob Smalser ]
Shang
10-13-2003, 03:09 PM
On the years when I've left the Chris in the water over the winter I put a plain ol' basement sump pump in the bilge, with a float switch, and pluged it into the 120 dock power. Hooked a garden hose to the pump and hung it out the nearest hatch. It never happened to have shipped enough water to actually kick in, but I slept better knowing that it was there.
...Until my brother-in-law, Bill, who owns a 25' Lymann asked, "What happens if there's a big storm that takes the power out? You could ship enough water to wear out the 12-volt bilge pump's power. And by the way, that storm would also shut off the circulation pump that's keeping your slip from freezing too, wouldn't it? So you might come back and find your boat sunk up to its wazoo, and frozen solid?"
Thanks, Bill.
Shang
10-13-2003, 03:09 PM
On the years when I've left the Chris in the water over the winter I put a plain ol' basement sump pump in the bilge, with a float switch, and pluged it into the 120 dock power. Hooked a garden hose to the pump and hung it out the nearest hatch. It never happened to have shipped enough water to actually kick in, but I slept better knowing that it was there.
...Until my brother-in-law, Bill, who owns a 25' Lymann asked, "What happens if there's a big storm that takes the power out? You could ship enough water to wear out the 12-volt bilge pump's power. And by the way, that storm would also shut off the circulation pump that's keeping your slip from freezing too, wouldn't it? So you might come back and find your boat sunk up to its wazoo, and frozen solid?"
Thanks, Bill.
Shang
10-13-2003, 03:09 PM
On the years when I've left the Chris in the water over the winter I put a plain ol' basement sump pump in the bilge, with a float switch, and pluged it into the 120 dock power. Hooked a garden hose to the pump and hung it out the nearest hatch. It never happened to have shipped enough water to actually kick in, but I slept better knowing that it was there.
...Until my brother-in-law, Bill, who owns a 25' Lymann asked, "What happens if there's a big storm that takes the power out? You could ship enough water to wear out the 12-volt bilge pump's power. And by the way, that storm would also shut off the circulation pump that's keeping your slip from freezing too, wouldn't it? So you might come back and find your boat sunk up to its wazoo, and frozen solid?"
Thanks, Bill.
Art Read
10-14-2003, 12:12 PM
"...If you fit an electric pump, you will never know if she is making water or not....its better to know!"
Very true. And I actually kinda like the ritual of drying out the bilges before every sail. Kind of a weird zen/communion/blessing sort of thing... But there will be times when I'll have to leave her unattended for longer than I'd feel comfortable with, just trusting on my neighbors at the dock to keep an eye on her. Paranoid, perhaps, but the idea of a "sump pump/hose over the side" arrangement that I could just plug into the 110 outlet next to my slip before leaving town still appeals to me.
"... Stories of sailing that lovely goober would always be welcome..."
Well, as a matter of fact, yesterday was the first time I took her out sailing by myself. Oh, I've moved her to new moorage under power a couple of times, and been sailing with SWMBO plenty, but since I had to go down to the waterfront to pick up the new sailcover anyway, and the afternoon had turned sunny, and the breeze was kicking up, before I knew it, the docklines were undone and the sails were going up! ;)
Actually, I'd been wanting to see how she handled under sail with the outboard in place on the transom anyway. Our temporary "home" is alongside a houseboat dock on Portage Bay, (think "Sleepless in Seattle"...) with the "cut" to Lake Washington on one side and two highway bridges on the other. And the slip itself is hidden back between two houseboats with just enough room to squeeze through on the way to open water. Unless conditions are just right, that leaves precious little room to sail without hauling out the outboard or doing a LOT of paddling... Fortunately, she doesn't seem to mind the extra weight back there at all. With the engine down, she leaves a bigger wake and is slowed down a little, but with it up she doesn't seem to handle any differently.
She's still a joy to sail, but quite a handfull single handed. I'm starting to re-think jam cleets! Yesterday was probably the most wind I've had her out in yet. Maybe 12 - 15 at times? It was enough. I'm going to want to reef her in any more than that. I'm starting to really question the lack of running backstays. I got really nervous with the main sheeted way out on a broad reach. That forestay slacking off filled my head with some pretty nasty images. Sheeting the main back in a bit does seem to help "stiffen" things back up though. Something about the angle of the sheet lead/leech/peak halyard all working together to act as a sort of "backstay" perhaps? And anyway, it doesn't seem to hurt her speed off the wind. Still doing hull speed, even over trimmed.
Where she really shines is "ghosting" along with hardly enough wind to even notice. She never stops! Even with the sails hanging apparantly "limp", she carries on along quite nicely and will still answer her helm. I sailed back into Portage Bay at sunset with the wind at my back and dieing off to almost nothing. Jibed slowly back and forth to keep the jib full with the mainsheet dragging in big bights alongside. Ghosted pass the front windows of the houseboats with folks inside making there dinners and watching the ball game on tv. I could see her reflection in all the windows as I silently passed by... Wonderful stuff!
Art Read
10-14-2003, 12:12 PM
"...If you fit an electric pump, you will never know if she is making water or not....its better to know!"
Very true. And I actually kinda like the ritual of drying out the bilges before every sail. Kind of a weird zen/communion/blessing sort of thing... But there will be times when I'll have to leave her unattended for longer than I'd feel comfortable with, just trusting on my neighbors at the dock to keep an eye on her. Paranoid, perhaps, but the idea of a "sump pump/hose over the side" arrangement that I could just plug into the 110 outlet next to my slip before leaving town still appeals to me.
"... Stories of sailing that lovely goober would always be welcome..."
Well, as a matter of fact, yesterday was the first time I took her out sailing by myself. Oh, I've moved her to new moorage under power a couple of times, and been sailing with SWMBO plenty, but since I had to go down to the waterfront to pick up the new sailcover anyway, and the afternoon had turned sunny, and the breeze was kicking up, before I knew it, the docklines were undone and the sails were going up! ;)
Actually, I'd been wanting to see how she handled under sail with the outboard in place on the transom anyway. Our temporary "home" is alongside a houseboat dock on Portage Bay, (think "Sleepless in Seattle"...) with the "cut" to Lake Washington on one side and two highway bridges on the other. And the slip itself is hidden back between two houseboats with just enough room to squeeze through on the way to open water. Unless conditions are just right, that leaves precious little room to sail without hauling out the outboard or doing a LOT of paddling... Fortunately, she doesn't seem to mind the extra weight back there at all. With the engine down, she leaves a bigger wake and is slowed down a little, but with it up she doesn't seem to handle any differently.
She's still a joy to sail, but quite a handfull single handed. I'm starting to re-think jam cleets! Yesterday was probably the most wind I've had her out in yet. Maybe 12 - 15 at times? It was enough. I'm going to want to reef her in any more than that. I'm starting to really question the lack of running backstays. I got really nervous with the main sheeted way out on a broad reach. That forestay slacking off filled my head with some pretty nasty images. Sheeting the main back in a bit does seem to help "stiffen" things back up though. Something about the angle of the sheet lead/leech/peak halyard all working together to act as a sort of "backstay" perhaps? And anyway, it doesn't seem to hurt her speed off the wind. Still doing hull speed, even over trimmed.
Where she really shines is "ghosting" along with hardly enough wind to even notice. She never stops! Even with the sails hanging apparantly "limp", she carries on along quite nicely and will still answer her helm. I sailed back into Portage Bay at sunset with the wind at my back and dieing off to almost nothing. Jibed slowly back and forth to keep the jib full with the mainsheet dragging in big bights alongside. Ghosted pass the front windows of the houseboats with folks inside making there dinners and watching the ball game on tv. I could see her reflection in all the windows as I silently passed by... Wonderful stuff!
Art Read
10-14-2003, 12:12 PM
"...If you fit an electric pump, you will never know if she is making water or not....its better to know!"
Very true. And I actually kinda like the ritual of drying out the bilges before every sail. Kind of a weird zen/communion/blessing sort of thing... But there will be times when I'll have to leave her unattended for longer than I'd feel comfortable with, just trusting on my neighbors at the dock to keep an eye on her. Paranoid, perhaps, but the idea of a "sump pump/hose over the side" arrangement that I could just plug into the 110 outlet next to my slip before leaving town still appeals to me.
"... Stories of sailing that lovely goober would always be welcome..."
Well, as a matter of fact, yesterday was the first time I took her out sailing by myself. Oh, I've moved her to new moorage under power a couple of times, and been sailing with SWMBO plenty, but since I had to go down to the waterfront to pick up the new sailcover anyway, and the afternoon had turned sunny, and the breeze was kicking up, before I knew it, the docklines were undone and the sails were going up! ;)
Actually, I'd been wanting to see how she handled under sail with the outboard in place on the transom anyway. Our temporary "home" is alongside a houseboat dock on Portage Bay, (think "Sleepless in Seattle"...) with the "cut" to Lake Washington on one side and two highway bridges on the other. And the slip itself is hidden back between two houseboats with just enough room to squeeze through on the way to open water. Unless conditions are just right, that leaves precious little room to sail without hauling out the outboard or doing a LOT of paddling... Fortunately, she doesn't seem to mind the extra weight back there at all. With the engine down, she leaves a bigger wake and is slowed down a little, but with it up she doesn't seem to handle any differently.
She's still a joy to sail, but quite a handfull single handed. I'm starting to re-think jam cleets! Yesterday was probably the most wind I've had her out in yet. Maybe 12 - 15 at times? It was enough. I'm going to want to reef her in any more than that. I'm starting to really question the lack of running backstays. I got really nervous with the main sheeted way out on a broad reach. That forestay slacking off filled my head with some pretty nasty images. Sheeting the main back in a bit does seem to help "stiffen" things back up though. Something about the angle of the sheet lead/leech/peak halyard all working together to act as a sort of "backstay" perhaps? And anyway, it doesn't seem to hurt her speed off the wind. Still doing hull speed, even over trimmed.
Where she really shines is "ghosting" along with hardly enough wind to even notice. She never stops! Even with the sails hanging apparantly "limp", she carries on along quite nicely and will still answer her helm. I sailed back into Portage Bay at sunset with the wind at my back and dieing off to almost nothing. Jibed slowly back and forth to keep the jib full with the mainsheet dragging in big bights alongside. Ghosted pass the front windows of the houseboats with folks inside making there dinners and watching the ball game on tv. I could see her reflection in all the windows as I silently passed by... Wonderful stuff!
Jack Heinlen
10-14-2003, 05:42 PM
I was thinking the boat was on a mooring. With access to power it wouldn't be a big deal, and if it buys you some peace of mind, go for it.
Jack Heinlen
10-14-2003, 05:42 PM
I was thinking the boat was on a mooring. With access to power it wouldn't be a big deal, and if it buys you some peace of mind, go for it.
Jack Heinlen
10-14-2003, 05:42 PM
I was thinking the boat was on a mooring. With access to power it wouldn't be a big deal, and if it buys you some peace of mind, go for it.
Jamie Hascall
10-15-2003, 12:43 AM
I think you'll do fine with a nice boom tent. Sunbrella works very well and though it will leak a little if it has a sitting puddle, I've found it very workable and best of all it will survive being put away wet. Cotton canvas is cheaper and will seal when it gets wet. There are some good wholesale sources that I can turn you on to and I've got a set of large grommet tools and a heavy sewing machine if you need them.
Jamie
Jamie
Jamie Hascall
10-15-2003, 12:43 AM
I think you'll do fine with a nice boom tent. Sunbrella works very well and though it will leak a little if it has a sitting puddle, I've found it very workable and best of all it will survive being put away wet. Cotton canvas is cheaper and will seal when it gets wet. There are some good wholesale sources that I can turn you on to and I've got a set of large grommet tools and a heavy sewing machine if you need them.
Jamie
Jamie
Jamie Hascall
10-15-2003, 12:43 AM
I think you'll do fine with a nice boom tent. Sunbrella works very well and though it will leak a little if it has a sitting puddle, I've found it very workable and best of all it will survive being put away wet. Cotton canvas is cheaper and will seal when it gets wet. There are some good wholesale sources that I can turn you on to and I've got a set of large grommet tools and a heavy sewing machine if you need them.
Jamie
Jamie
J. Dillon
10-19-2003, 05:50 PM
Art,
My boat is completely open and un decked. I keep her at a dock. I had the same problem for years getting out the rain water without going down to the boat every day was a problem. I stumbled across a pump made by Rule. It runs on 110 V. It cycles on every 5 minutes or so and shuts off after 3 or 4 seconds. If it detects water it will pump it out untill dry. I had it for 3 years now and am very satified with it. It has no float switch. I forget the model # but will get it tomorrow.
Got any sunny day pix of Melinda yet ? I need something that shows her tue colors.
JD
J. Dillon
10-19-2003, 05:50 PM
Art,
My boat is completely open and un decked. I keep her at a dock. I had the same problem for years getting out the rain water without going down to the boat every day was a problem. I stumbled across a pump made by Rule. It runs on 110 V. It cycles on every 5 minutes or so and shuts off after 3 or 4 seconds. If it detects water it will pump it out untill dry. I had it for 3 years now and am very satified with it. It has no float switch. I forget the model # but will get it tomorrow.
Got any sunny day pix of Melinda yet ? I need something that shows her tue colors.
JD
J. Dillon
10-19-2003, 05:50 PM
Art,
My boat is completely open and un decked. I keep her at a dock. I had the same problem for years getting out the rain water without going down to the boat every day was a problem. I stumbled across a pump made by Rule. It runs on 110 V. It cycles on every 5 minutes or so and shuts off after 3 or 4 seconds. If it detects water it will pump it out untill dry. I had it for 3 years now and am very satified with it. It has no float switch. I forget the model # but will get it tomorrow.
Got any sunny day pix of Melinda yet ? I need something that shows her tue colors.
JD
J. Dillon
10-20-2003, 07:09 PM
Art,
Check out this one,
http://www.rule-industries.com/prodInfoApp/servlet/DisplayProducts?typeId=RSUBM&page=0&catalogId=Marine&categoryId=RMSUB&companyId=RULE
On mine (as noted above) it say's "computerized" 1800. They seem to list it A53 S.
Good luck
JD
J. Dillon
10-20-2003, 07:09 PM
Art,
Check out this one,
http://www.rule-industries.com/prodInfoApp/servlet/DisplayProducts?typeId=RSUBM&page=0&catalogId=Marine&categoryId=RMSUB&companyId=RULE
On mine (as noted above) it say's "computerized" 1800. They seem to list it A53 S.
Good luck
JD
J. Dillon
10-20-2003, 07:09 PM
Art,
Check out this one,
http://www.rule-industries.com/prodInfoApp/servlet/DisplayProducts?typeId=RSUBM&page=0&catalogId=Marine&categoryId=RMSUB&companyId=RULE
On mine (as noted above) it say's "computerized" 1800. They seem to list it A53 S.
Good luck
JD
Art Read
10-21-2003, 04:00 AM
Thanks, Jack. Been wondering were you were... Good to see you back!
Got a ballpark price on that little unit? Looks like an answer to my problem...
I'm afraid I really don't have have any good "fair weather" portraits of MELINDA yet... Launching in the fall and this being Seattle and all... But I'm working on it. These might be a little bit closer to her "true colors" than some of the earlier pictures that I posted, but it seems I never have the camera handy when she really "sparkles"...
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/pe0a0689db37105cfe1b2715edf829439/faf476ca.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/p4eae6d685d3293c1c111549655b123d9/fac4ed37.jpg
Jamie... A few days use of a heavy duty sewing machine would be a Godsend! I'd heard they were available for rent, but one coming with a little "advice" from someone who understands what I'm, (actualy SWMBO) is trying to do with it would be invaluable! ;)
Art Read
10-21-2003, 04:00 AM
Thanks, Jack. Been wondering were you were... Good to see you back!
Got a ballpark price on that little unit? Looks like an answer to my problem...
I'm afraid I really don't have have any good "fair weather" portraits of MELINDA yet... Launching in the fall and this being Seattle and all... But I'm working on it. These might be a little bit closer to her "true colors" than some of the earlier pictures that I posted, but it seems I never have the camera handy when she really "sparkles"...
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/pe0a0689db37105cfe1b2715edf829439/faf476ca.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/p4eae6d685d3293c1c111549655b123d9/fac4ed37.jpg
Jamie... A few days use of a heavy duty sewing machine would be a Godsend! I'd heard they were available for rent, but one coming with a little "advice" from someone who understands what I'm, (actualy SWMBO) is trying to do with it would be invaluable! ;)
Art Read
10-21-2003, 04:00 AM
Thanks, Jack. Been wondering were you were... Good to see you back!
Got a ballpark price on that little unit? Looks like an answer to my problem...
I'm afraid I really don't have have any good "fair weather" portraits of MELINDA yet... Launching in the fall and this being Seattle and all... But I'm working on it. These might be a little bit closer to her "true colors" than some of the earlier pictures that I posted, but it seems I never have the camera handy when she really "sparkles"...
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/pe0a0689db37105cfe1b2715edf829439/faf476ca.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/p4eae6d685d3293c1c111549655b123d9/fac4ed37.jpg
Jamie... A few days use of a heavy duty sewing machine would be a Godsend! I'd heard they were available for rent, but one coming with a little "advice" from someone who understands what I'm, (actualy SWMBO) is trying to do with it would be invaluable! ;)
J. Dillon
10-21-2003, 08:50 AM
Art,
I think the pump retails for around 100 bucks or so. I got mine from "Lowe's". I was meandering along their pump section and spotted it out of the box with no speck sheet and a bit scuffed up . I located the dept. manager and made an offer of 80 bucks after plugging it in to see if it worked. He took it and ran the numbers through the computer mumbled a few words and said it's your's. He labeld it and initialed so. I took to the check out counter and it went through.
Now it does the job with no worries. I got the appropiate hoses and when sailing I just take it along after pushing it far away from the compass as I can conveniently get it.
JD
J. Dillon
10-21-2003, 08:50 AM
Art,
I think the pump retails for around 100 bucks or so. I got mine from "Lowe's". I was meandering along their pump section and spotted it out of the box with no speck sheet and a bit scuffed up . I located the dept. manager and made an offer of 80 bucks after plugging it in to see if it worked. He took it and ran the numbers through the computer mumbled a few words and said it's your's. He labeld it and initialed so. I took to the check out counter and it went through.
Now it does the job with no worries. I got the appropiate hoses and when sailing I just take it along after pushing it far away from the compass as I can conveniently get it.
JD
J. Dillon
10-21-2003, 08:50 AM
Art,
I think the pump retails for around 100 bucks or so. I got mine from "Lowe's". I was meandering along their pump section and spotted it out of the box with no speck sheet and a bit scuffed up . I located the dept. manager and made an offer of 80 bucks after plugging it in to see if it worked. He took it and ran the numbers through the computer mumbled a few words and said it's your's. He labeld it and initialed so. I took to the check out counter and it went through.
Now it does the job with no worries. I got the appropiate hoses and when sailing I just take it along after pushing it far away from the compass as I can conveniently get it.
JD
Jamie Hascall
10-21-2003, 06:18 PM
Well I'm certainly no expert but I seem to be able to get the old beast to sew without too much trouble. Let's see if we can put together a time to get together. Generally my schedule is fairly open. Do you already have your Sunbrella fabric? If not, we can try to get a wholesale price through Perfect Fit Mcdonald. It's definitely a bit cheaper than retail. They've also got some good cotton canvas if you decide to go that route.
Jamie
Jamie Hascall
10-21-2003, 06:18 PM
Well I'm certainly no expert but I seem to be able to get the old beast to sew without too much trouble. Let's see if we can put together a time to get together. Generally my schedule is fairly open. Do you already have your Sunbrella fabric? If not, we can try to get a wholesale price through Perfect Fit Mcdonald. It's definitely a bit cheaper than retail. They've also got some good cotton canvas if you decide to go that route.
Jamie
Jamie Hascall
10-21-2003, 06:18 PM
Well I'm certainly no expert but I seem to be able to get the old beast to sew without too much trouble. Let's see if we can put together a time to get together. Generally my schedule is fairly open. Do you already have your Sunbrella fabric? If not, we can try to get a wholesale price through Perfect Fit Mcdonald. It's definitely a bit cheaper than retail. They've also got some good cotton canvas if you decide to go that route.
Jamie
Art Read
10-23-2003, 04:22 PM
Jamie... Check your e-mail... Thanks!
Art Read
10-23-2003, 04:22 PM
Jamie... Check your e-mail... Thanks!
Art Read
10-23-2003, 04:22 PM
Jamie... Check your e-mail... Thanks!
Jamie Hascall
10-24-2003, 12:20 AM
Art,
Check yours ;)
Jamie
Jamie Hascall
10-24-2003, 12:20 AM
Art,
Check yours ;)
Jamie
Jamie Hascall
10-24-2003, 12:20 AM
Art,
Check yours ;)
Jamie
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