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Rich Jones
09-20-2014, 03:20 PM
On the cover of the recent catalog is a very nice new product, a waxed canvas tool tote. Tote??? Tote??? Indeed, sir, you certainly meant to call this handy little item a tool bag, satchel, pouch, anything but tote! A tote is something into which a teenage girl stuffs her sunscreen and towel for a trip to the beach. At best, it sounds very yuppie-ish, something that is not easily identifiable with WoodenBoat! Tote, forsooth...;)

wizbang 13
09-21-2014, 07:36 AM
It's a CLUTCH!

Ian McColgin
09-21-2014, 08:28 AM
WB is just reclaiming the proper use of the term, as can be seen from the below Wikipedia entry:

The term tote or tate, meaning "to carry", can be traced back to the 17th century but was not used to describe bags until 1900. However, the tote bag craze in the United States began in the 1940s with the release of L.L. Bean's Boat Bag in 1944. Because they were easier than carrying luggage, most people opted for using tote bags. During the 1950s, tote bags began to enter into the main culture. Women primarily utilized them as practical handheld bags because they didn't require much care. It wasn't until the 1960s when the tote bag embraced personal style. Bonnie Cohen released her own line of tote bags called Cashin Carry Tote Bags which combined style and functionality. In the 1990s, Kate Spade ultimately transformed how American culture embraced tote bags when she began carrying them as fashion bags. Today, fashion lovers and consumers can find tote bags in a variety of decorations and themes.

Bookmark
09-21-2014, 09:56 AM
I am in my sixties and always knew this style of tool carrier as a tote.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xwNFaVW8WVM/T24FD4WaAMI/AAAAAAAAC3U/9oVJxR86sqA/s1600/Shop%2BStuff%2B2032A%2BLarge%2Be-mail%2Bview.jpgC3U/9oVJxR86sqA/s1600/Shop%2BStuff%2B2032A%2BLarge%2Be-mail%2Bview.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xwNFaVW8WVM/T24FD4WaAMI/AAAAAAAAC3U/9oVJxR86sqA/s1600/Shop%2BStuff%2B2032A%2BLarge%2Be-mail%2Bview.jpg)

Rich Jones
09-21-2014, 01:42 PM
It's a CLUTCH!
:d:d:d

Rich Jones
09-21-2014, 01:45 PM
WB is just reclaiming the proper use of the term, as can be seen from the below Wikipedia entry:

The term tote or tate, meaning "to carry", can be traced back to the 17th century but was not used to describe bags until 1900. However, the tote bag craze in the United States began in the 1940s with the release of L.L. Bean's Boat Bag in 1944. Because they were easier than carrying luggage, most people opted for using tote bags. During the 1950s, tote bags began to enter into the main culture. Women primarily utilized them as practical handheld bags because they didn't require much care. It wasn't until the 1960s when the tote bag embraced personal style. Bonnie Cohen released her own line of tote bags called Cashin Carry Tote Bags which combined style and functionality. In the 1990s, Kate Spade ultimately transformed how American culture embraced tote bags when she began carrying them as fashion bags. Today, fashion lovers and consumers can find tote bags in a variety of decorations and themes. It is interesting how definitions change with time. In today's American context, I'd say it means a small bag for carrying personal items, not tools.

Rich Jones
09-21-2014, 01:54 PM
I am in my sixties and always knew this style of tool carrier as a tote.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xwNFaVW8WVM/T24FD4WaAMI/AAAAAAAAC3U/9oVJxR86sqA/s1600/Shop%2BStuff%2B2032A%2BLarge%2Be-mail%2Bview.jpgC3U/9oVJxR86sqA/s1600/Shop%2BStuff%2B2032A%2BLarge%2Be-mail%2Bview.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xwNFaVW8WVM/T24FD4WaAMI/AAAAAAAAC3U/9oVJxR86sqA/s1600/Shop%2BStuff%2B2032A%2BLarge%2Be-mail%2Bview.jpg) I've always just called that a toolbox (also in my sixties). Could be a regional difference in definitions.

Hwyl
09-21-2014, 04:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh9WayN7R-s

RFNK
09-21-2014, 11:51 PM
Glad someone noted the American context. The term tote would be regarded as old fashioned in Australia but well understood to mean a bag for carrying things. I've never heard the modern usage referred to in the opening post.

I actually bought one of these totes from WB but managed to slice it with a chisel the first time I used it! I've since put a couple of leather pouches in it for chisels. It's a good tote!

Rick

Rich Jones
09-22-2014, 05:07 AM
Glad someone noted the American context. The term tote would be regarded as old fashioned in Australia but well understood to mean a bag for carrying things. I've never heard the modern usage referred to in the opening post.

I actually bought one of these totes from WB but managed to slice it with a chisel the first time I used it! I've since put a couple of leather pouches in it for chisels. It's a good tote!

Rick Yes, it looks like a good tote...err...bag...err...satchel, oh whatever... I was just having a little fun with the name. I've already hinted to my wife what I want in that catalog for Christmas!

JamesCaird
09-22-2014, 06:41 PM
Reminds me of a Greg Brown song: Look at them lunch toters, ain't they a bunch,
Goin off to work a-toting that lunch.
Totin' them vittles, toting that chow,
Eaten later, totin' it now.

Ben Fuller
09-22-2014, 06:48 PM
Going to put together a tool tote tomorrow, one of those made of wood. If I do it right I'll be able to use it as a low step and as a stool. Bags don't work so well when you want to carry a handsaw.

Garret
09-22-2014, 07:12 PM
LL Beans has called their bags "totes" for years & years.....

http://www.llbean.com/dept_resources/luggage/promo_images/140627_banner_lugg_4.jpg

Rich Jones
09-22-2014, 08:37 PM
LL Beans has called their bags "totes" for years & years.....

http://www.llbean.com/dept_resources/luggage/promo_images/140627_banner_lugg_4.jpg Those are totes all right. Perfect for stowing your sunblock and beach towels. A real man, especially a real Vermonter like yourself, would never think of carrying tools with one of those.:)

Rich Jones
09-22-2014, 08:44 PM
For well over thirty years, I've been dragging around tool boxes like this and every craftsmen I've ever worked with would call it a toolbox. It would never occur to me (or them)https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8099/8521619962_c72bfd901d_z_d.jpg to call it a tote. Must be a New York thing...

RFNK
09-22-2014, 08:47 PM
Going to put together a tool tote tomorrow, one of those made of wood. If I do it right I'll be able to use it as a low step and as a stool. Bags don't work so well when you want to carry a handsaw.

The canvas ones are really good for the boat though - they don't tip over or slide off the deck! I use two - one for tools and one for bits and pieces.

Rick

wizbang 13
09-23-2014, 12:53 AM
I cannot tolerate canvas on the boat.... seems to attract mold and moisture.

RFNK
09-23-2014, 01:38 AM
The canvas is treated, waxy. One bag on my boat has been there for 10 years - no mould. The other is new. The boat has excellent ventilation too.

Rick

Garret
09-23-2014, 06:35 AM
Those are totes all right. Perfect for stowing your sunblock and beach towels. A real man, especially a real Vermonter like yourself, would never think of carrying tools with one of those.:)

Ruh-roh, Reorge.... I've carried all sorts of things in them, including tools. There's one on the porch right now full of cordless tools & such. Of course, I ain't no real woodchuck - I've only lived here 39 years.

Just to confuse things further, in the auto-parts world these are called "totes":

http://i2.wal.co/i/mp/00/03/29/03/22/0003290322379_P321146_180X180.jpg-34727ce08e4a283526057b4000b62e8ebf88056c-optim-180x180.jpg

Breakaway
09-23-2014, 07:00 AM
The handle of a plane is a "tote", is it not?

When I have a boat project, I load up a canvas tote bag with tools and supplies needed and take it to the boat.

Kevin

Rich Jones
09-23-2014, 10:44 AM
After reading all these posts from respected Forum members, is it remotely possible that I was wrong in challenging the name of this product? It's almost inconceivable that, after 61 years on this Earth, I've finally made a mistake. Imagine that, my perfect record shot to hell over a tool bag!:d

Garret
09-23-2014, 10:59 AM
After reading all these posts from respected Forum members, is it remotely possible that I was wrong in challenging the name of this product? It's almost inconceivable that, after 61 years on this Earth, I've finally made a mistake. Imagine that, my perfect record shot to hell over a tool bag!:d

What about the posts from non-respected forum members like me?

I think you are mistaken about having made a mistake though....

Canoez
09-23-2014, 11:22 AM
Going to put together a tool tote tomorrow, one of those made of wood. If I do it right I'll be able to use it as a low step and as a stool. Bags don't work so well when you want to carry a handsaw.

I've got a Nantucket Bagg that I like for my tools. I manage to carry around a "quiver" of Japanese style saws with good luck when I'm heading out to teach class. (Japan Woodworker had a nice canvas multi-pocket saw case...) While I can't use it as a step, it is really nice in the shop as I can unroll it on the bench or hang it on the wall to get at all the tools in it easily.

Phil Y
09-23-2014, 04:22 PM
Did somebody say Toke? Like wow man.

Bookmark
09-23-2014, 04:30 PM
"Did somebody say Toke? Like wow man."

Toque?

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/forkintheroad/assets_c/2012/08/cheftoque-thumb-177x175-thumb-177x175-thumb-177x175-thumb-177x175-thumb-177x175.png

Garret
09-23-2014, 05:06 PM
Toque?

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/forkintheroad/assets_c/2012/08/cheftoque-thumb-177x175-thumb-177x175-thumb-177x175-thumb-177x175-thumb-177x175.png

Ya gots to get to the 5th day.... Though this shows that the pronunciation is differenter.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uG4yfMD95G8

dredbob
09-23-2014, 05:18 PM
In the part of the world (Appalachia) that I grew up in, "tote" was always a verb, and never a noun.

Garret
09-23-2014, 05:29 PM
In the part of the world (Appalachia) that I grew up in, "tote" was always a verb, and never a noun.

& in New England: "Tote them bales!"

RFNK
09-23-2014, 06:26 PM
I'm thinking of starting a tote on whether this thread will make it to a second page.

Rick

Ben Fuller
09-23-2014, 06:54 PM
Seems to me that the totes that LL and other offer in fancy colored canvas covers started off life as coal and ice bags in plain canvas. In those days they were just bags and they were heavy which is maybe how they got called totes.

I have too many: a couple of tool bags in several sizes, the aforementioned Nantucket which has become my rigging bag. The wooden tote now underway will handle saws, levels and other long stuff, and I'll be able to sit on it when I am tire of toting. I need to figure out how to add a seat to the tote that masquerades as the iceboat runner box for the stern steerer which feels like its about 60.

Ian McColgin
09-23-2014, 06:57 PM
In New England and anywhere else there's salt water we have fish totes.

Roger Cumming
09-23-2014, 09:25 PM
It's a grip.

Concordia...41
09-25-2014, 06:05 AM
It caught my eye, but @ $135, I, the Queen of Shoppers, find it a little steep for a tool bag/tote and for that could have a Coach Metro Signature Tote for $150.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcQSM7Z9UTKr__DA1bly5TJVW-dQBNHQI-K4LEqHX8MsODZnyMfjZvTPVd3aIFK82TSVNAwAG7Ex&usqp=CAY

From the Coach website: "A tote is a highly useful item for a woman to have. Using a COACH tote allows her to transport important belongings in a way that is stylish as well as practical."

Maybe a tote isn't a tote by any other name ;~)

Garret
09-25-2014, 06:48 AM
Goodness! Don't tell Rich's wife!

:)

Rich Jones
09-25-2014, 07:49 AM
Goodness! Don't tell Rich's wife!

:) Too late, she's off to the mall!:d Actually, one year while she was still teaching, she had a student who's father worked for Coach. At the end of the year when most kids came in with a little gift for their teacher, this kid walked in with a $150 pair of Coach sunglasses! My wife still has them, but rarely uses them as she feels a little self-conscious wearing really expensive things. She's still feeling a bit guilty about buying her Volvo three years ago.

Tom Lathrop
09-26-2014, 08:34 PM
Been toting stuff all my life but never toted anything in a tote.

David G
09-26-2014, 09:02 PM
The word tote means "to carry something by hand".

So anything that fits that description can be called a tote. Be it canvas, wood, metal, plastic and no matter what the cargo.

J.Madison
09-30-2014, 08:45 PM
The word tote to me means a big plastic container with lid. The kind your wife wants to store everything you own in.

Ben, if you have some photos of your clever sounding toolbox I would sure love to see them.

Ben Fuller
09-30-2014, 09:26 PM
The word tote to me means a big plastic container with lid. The kind your wife wants to store everything you own in.

Ben, if you have some photos of your clever sounding toolbox I would sure love to see them.

Just finished loading said box with stuff for some qajag building. Sits good. I'll get some pics and find directions on how to post them. If I was a better carpenter it might even be pretty.....

J.Madison
10-13-2014, 01:55 PM
Let us know if you need a hand with posting photos. I'm sure many would like to see your box idea.

Ben Fuller
10-18-2014, 10:43 AM
Just brought the box back from its first outing building a skin on frame in one of the Cape Falcon classes. Had everything needed in it including a dozen clamps. Not light. I used an old army kitchen tool roll for the edged tools and small planes, all the long skinny stuff. More versatile than the wrench or chisel rolls commonly available. Found the photo posting directions; I have to wait for light, a cloudy day in Maine, birches have dropped where I am, the oaks just starting.

Hwyl
10-21-2014, 07:08 PM
Just got the catalog with issue 241. The tote is still there.