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Rum_Pirate
09-02-2014, 03:02 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/03/world/middleeast/steven-sotloff-isis-execution.html?_r=0


Video Claims to Show Beheading of U.S. Reporter Steven Sotloff by ISIS

By RICK GLADSTONE (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/g/rick_gladstone/index.html)SEPT. 2, 2014

The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria has beheaded Steven J. Sotloff, the second American executed by the Islamic militant group, and posted a video of it on the Internet, the SITE Intelligence Group, a research organization that tracks jihadist web postings, said Tuesday. Mr. Sotloff’s family issued a statement saying it believed he had been killed.
The execution of Mr. Sotloff, 31, came despite pleas from his mother aimed directly at ISIS’s top leader (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/world/middleeast/steven-sotloff-isis-hostage.html) seeking mercy for her son, a freelance journalist who was captured in northern Syria a year ago.
Word of Mr. Sotloff’s beheading came two weeks after James Foley, 40, another American journalist, was beheaded by ISIS, which warned that Mr. Sotloff would be the next to die.
The videotaped beheadings and threats by ISIS have helped rocket the group’s ascendance into a top crisis for the Obama administration and its Western allies.

Mr. Sotloff’s family members issued a statement via a spokesman, Barak Barfi, that suggested they believed the video was authentic: “The family knows of this horrific tragedy and is grieving privately. There will be no public comment from the family during this difficult time.”
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An image taken from a video released by the SITE Intelligence Group shows Steven Joel Sotloff, 31, before his execution at the hands of a fighter from the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.Josh Earnest, a White House spokesman, said he could not immediately confirm the authenticity of the video showing Mr. Sotloff’s killing. “It is something that will be analyzed very carefully by the U.S. government and our intelligence officials to determine its authenticity,” he told reporters in Washington.
Jen Psaki, the State Department spokeswoman, said that American intelligence agencies would “work as quickly as possible” to determine whether the video was authentic. She said the United States would be “sickened” by confirmation of Mr. Sotloff’s beheading.
In the video, Mr. Sotloff describes himself as “paying the price” for the Obama administration’s decision to strike ISIS targets in Iraq. The same masked fighter with British-accented English who appeared in the video of Mr. Foley’s beheading also appears beside Mr. Sotloff, asserting, “I’m back, Obama, and I’m back because of your arrogant foreign policy towards the Islamic State.”
The SITE group also said ISIS was threatening a third captive, a Briton it identified as David Cawthorne Haines, as the next beheading victim.
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Steven J. Sotloff, 31, was abducted last year while covering the conflict in Syria.CreditReutersAt least two other Americans are believed to be held by ISIS.
Mr. Sotloff was a Florida native (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/23/world/middleeast/steven-sotloff.html) who wrote for Time magazine and other publications, and who had reported on the convulsions of the Middle East for the past few years. His capture by ISIS was largely kept a secret for months at the request of his family until he was seen in the execution video of Mr. Foley two weeks ago.
It was unclear from the video of Mr. Sotloff where and when it was recorded. Some Western intelligence officials have said that they believe Mr. Sotloff was executed the same day as Mr. Foley, and that the propagandists at ISIS decided to space out the publicity of each one.
But the video reported by SITE on Tuesday showed Mr. Sotloff with a small beard and some hair on his head — in contrast to the Aug. 19 video showing Mr. Foley’s death, in which Mr. Sotloff was nearly bald and relatively clean shaven. This indicated that the video was probably made at different times.
Last Thursday Mr. Sotloff’s mother, Shirley, released an emotional video appeal to his captors, asking the leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the self-proclaimed caliph of the Muslim world, to grant amnesty to her son.
“I ask you to use your authority to spare his life,” Ms. Sotloff implored.


Correction: September 2, 2014


An earlier version of this article provided the wrong age for James Foley, the American journalist killed by the the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. He was 40, not 45.

John of Phoenix
09-02-2014, 03:05 PM
There will be no public comment from the family during this difficult time.If only the media would follow that example.

Rum_Pirate
09-02-2014, 03:19 PM
If only the media would follow that example.


That would definitely be a plus.

The less publicity ISIS gets the less effective it will be.

However the liberalists would never stand for a news blackout on ISIS, even with small point notes.

TomF
09-02-2014, 03:43 PM
That would definitely be a plus.

The less publicity ISIS gets the less effective it will be.

However the liberalists would never stand for a news blackout on ISIS, even with small point notes.Only the "liberalists?"

What about those drawing attention to Obama's lack of full public disclosure of a strategy to address them?

S.V. Airlie
09-02-2014, 03:47 PM
Why would they question the video's authenticity? IS has done this before.

Rum_Pirate
09-02-2014, 03:55 PM
Only the "liberalists?"

What about those drawing attention to Obama's lack of full public disclosure of a strategy to address them?


Regardless or one's political standing be it left, right or centre*, I would support a media black out on them.

Unlikely to happen.

Even I, who is in support of the media crackdown on ISIS, am guilty of spreading their evil doings by media by posting the report on here.
Oops, sorry, 'my bad' as they say.



* center for the 'Americans' among us.

TomF
09-02-2014, 04:01 PM
I'm not sure a news blackout would be effective anyhow, as frankly I'm not sure that these guys are primarily targetting us. Depriving them of an audience and outlet for terror here is not going to affect their primary present goals - which are to be achieved on the landmass there.

Of course they'd be happy to do us harm, and will try eventually. But in this case, I really think we're not the primary targets, as we were for Bin Laden. I think they're wanting to consolidate the landmass first and "purify" the faith, and only when that's largely under control look to express power outwards.

Rum_Pirate
09-02-2014, 04:32 PM
Bumping (assassinating) the leaders is unlikely to be effective as I am sure that others will quickly move into that vacated position.

S.V. Airlie
09-02-2014, 04:33 PM
Ummm! BL?

Rum_Pirate
09-02-2014, 04:34 PM
Ummm! BL?

The current ISIS leader, or leaders, don't appear to be so 'public' as BL.

S.V. Airlie
09-02-2014, 04:39 PM
Rum most of the libs are over in Gengies thread for a sure thing, They want to ignore this.It's a new tactic!

John of Phoenix
09-02-2014, 04:47 PM
Rum most of the libs are over in Gengies thread for a sure thing, They want to ignore this.ISIS does this to get attention and spread terror. You want to give them exactly what they want. Why do you support ISIS?

Phillip Allen
09-02-2014, 04:48 PM
this stuff reminds me of what Japan did during WWII. It was always for home consumption then

Bubba L.
09-02-2014, 05:21 PM
If only the media would follow that example.

Perhaps they could just tone it down a little so it wasn't so obvious that they see it as just another ratings/cash cow.


this stuff reminds me of what Japan did during WWII. It was always for home consumption then

I agree partly. Yes, it will show the locals that ISIS isn't afraid of the U.S. and that is a big bonus/ego trip for them. I also think that they are trying to show the U.S. that we will pay dearly if we oppose them.

Gene

LeeG
09-02-2014, 05:43 PM
That does it! I'm not flying on 9/11!

Reynard38
09-02-2014, 07:05 PM
That does it! I'm not flying on 9/11!

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w16/Reynard38/imagejpg1-20.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/Reynard38/media/imagejpg1-20.jpg.html)

hanleyclifford
09-02-2014, 07:58 PM
Strange how quiet the Muslim world is on these murders - I think most Muslims are OK with them.

LeeG
09-02-2014, 08:40 PM
Strange how quiet the Muslim world is on these murders - I think most Muslims are OK with them.

You converse with the "Muslim world" often?

Rum_Pirate
09-02-2014, 08:48 PM
Strange how quiet the Muslim world is on these murders - I think most Muslims are OK with them.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/isis-terror-threat-leading-british-muslims-issue-fatwa-condemning-terror-group-9702042.html
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Isis terror threat: Leading British Muslims issue fatwa condemning terror group

http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article9624359.ece/alternates/w620/Isis_v2.jpg

Senior Islamic scholars implore Britons not to join Islamic extremists like Isis in the conflicts in Iraq and Syria

ZACHARY DAVIES BOREN (http://www.independent.co.uk/search/simple.do?destinationSectionUniqueName=search&publicationName=ind&pageLength=5&startDay=1&startMonth=1&startYear=2010&useSectionFilter=true&useHideArticle=true&searchString=byline_text:(%22Zachary%20Davies%20Bo ren%22)&displaySearchString=Zachary%20Davies%20Boren)

Sunday 31 August 2014

Muslim leaders have issued a fatwa condemning Islamic extremist group Isis, and have said that British jihadis are “betraying their own societies” by getting involved in the conflicts in Iraq and Syria.

The fatwa represents the British Muslim community’s strongest denunciation of Isis yet, calling the extremist group “heretical” and “an oppressive and tyrannical group.”
According to The Sunday Times (http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/National/article1453493.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2014_08_31), the fatwa, authored by Sheik Usama Hasan, a former imam from east London, and supported by six senior Islamic scholars across the country, says it is “religiously prohibited (haram) to support or join” Isis.

Though Muslims have a “moral obligation” to help the Syrian and Iraqi people, they must do so “without betraying their own societies,” the fatwa states.
Baroness Warsi, former Foreign Office minister: “These are substantial figures and I welcome this announcement. The Islamic State is neither a state nor Islamic. I echo the words of these religious leaders.”

PeterSibley
09-02-2014, 08:52 PM
Thanks RP.

S.V. Airlie
09-02-2014, 08:54 PM
Rum do you think ISIS gives a damn?

CWSmith
09-02-2014, 08:54 PM
Strange how quiet the Muslim world is on these murders - I think most Muslims are OK with them.

I'm wondering how scared they may be. These movements are extraordinary in their violence.

John Smith
09-02-2014, 10:37 PM
This is going to make the desire to react grow. The question is how to react. If there was ever a time for a president to pull the rabbit out of the hat, I think this is it.

coelacanth2
09-02-2014, 10:54 PM
This is going to make the desire to react grow. The question is how to react. If there was ever a time for a president to pull the rabbit out of the hat, I think this is it.


That would be wonderful. I don't expect it to happen

John Smith
09-03-2014, 12:28 AM
I don't either, but we will see. I wonder if the GOP will be more interested in trying to solve the problem or dissing Obama.