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Tony Zucker
11-13-2000, 03:10 PM
I need help in finding running lights for my 30' wooden sharpie ketch. I'll attach them to the mainmast shrouds. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated

Tony Zucker
11-13-2000, 03:10 PM
I need help in finding running lights for my 30' wooden sharpie ketch. I'll attach them to the mainmast shrouds. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated

Tony Zucker
11-13-2000, 03:10 PM
I need help in finding running lights for my 30' wooden sharpie ketch. I'll attach them to the mainmast shrouds. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated

Rambler
11-13-2000, 06:03 PM
Try going to www.chinaseas.com (http://www.chinaseas.com) and asking the owner. He operated here in Baltimore for a number of years and has THE biggest collection of nautical antiques stored in a barn up in Maine. Tell him the First Mate of the Kathryn M. Lee sent you and maybe, and I mean Maybe, he'll go the extra mile. I'd love to see a picture. http://media4.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/smile.gif

Rambler
11-13-2000, 06:03 PM
Try going to www.chinaseas.com (http://www.chinaseas.com) and asking the owner. He operated here in Baltimore for a number of years and has THE biggest collection of nautical antiques stored in a barn up in Maine. Tell him the First Mate of the Kathryn M. Lee sent you and maybe, and I mean Maybe, he'll go the extra mile. I'd love to see a picture. http://media4.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/smile.gif

Rambler
11-13-2000, 06:03 PM
Try going to www.chinaseas.com (http://www.chinaseas.com) and asking the owner. He operated here in Baltimore for a number of years and has THE biggest collection of nautical antiques stored in a barn up in Maine. Tell him the First Mate of the Kathryn M. Lee sent you and maybe, and I mean Maybe, he'll go the extra mile. I'd love to see a picture. http://media4.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/smile.gif

dngoodchild
11-14-2000, 07:12 AM
The Navigation Light Manufactory in Hong Kong still makes these and they are convertible on the fly to electric as well. I don't believe they have a web site, but I posted their address and fax number some time ago after a similar request. You might search the archives for such. Regards.

dngoodchild
11-14-2000, 07:12 AM
The Navigation Light Manufactory in Hong Kong still makes these and they are convertible on the fly to electric as well. I don't believe they have a web site, but I posted their address and fax number some time ago after a similar request. You might search the archives for such. Regards.

dngoodchild
11-14-2000, 07:12 AM
The Navigation Light Manufactory in Hong Kong still makes these and they are convertible on the fly to electric as well. I don't believe they have a web site, but I posted their address and fax number some time ago after a similar request. You might search the archives for such. Regards.

Ian Wright
11-15-2000, 05:52 PM
Try http://www.toplicht.de/

IanW.

Ian Wright
11-15-2000, 05:52 PM
Try http://www.toplicht.de/

IanW.

Ian Wright
11-15-2000, 05:52 PM
Try http://www.toplicht.de/

IanW.

Mike Field
11-15-2000, 06:01 PM
You could have a look at these, too --
http://www.weems-plath.com/html/lampson.html
http://www.ishop4u.com/nauticallamps/index.htm
http://www.oillampman.com/start.html

Mike Field
11-15-2000, 06:01 PM
You could have a look at these, too --
http://www.weems-plath.com/html/lampson.html
http://www.ishop4u.com/nauticallamps/index.htm
http://www.oillampman.com/start.html

Mike Field
11-15-2000, 06:01 PM
You could have a look at these, too --
http://www.weems-plath.com/html/lampson.html
http://www.ishop4u.com/nauticallamps/index.htm
http://www.oillampman.com/start.html

Jon Agne
11-16-2000, 08:44 PM
Two firms in the UK:

Classic Marine: http://www.classicmarine.co.uk/index.htm

Davey & Co.: http://www.davey.co.uk/chandlry/default.htm

They both have GREAT catalogs, jam-packed full of classic/traditional boat stuff.

Good luck,

Jon

Jon Agne
11-16-2000, 08:44 PM
Two firms in the UK:

Classic Marine: http://www.classicmarine.co.uk/index.htm

Davey & Co.: http://www.davey.co.uk/chandlry/default.htm

They both have GREAT catalogs, jam-packed full of classic/traditional boat stuff.

Good luck,

Jon

Jon Agne
11-16-2000, 08:44 PM
Two firms in the UK:

Classic Marine: http://www.classicmarine.co.uk/index.htm

Davey & Co.: http://www.davey.co.uk/chandlry/default.htm

They both have GREAT catalogs, jam-packed full of classic/traditional boat stuff.

Good luck,

Jon

Ian Wright
11-17-2000, 05:07 AM
Regretably, Daveys no longer retail. Not to worry, Classic Marine can supply all Daveys stock list.
Like most things in life it was better back when,,,,,, you could walk into Davey in ,,,,, um,,,,,, the East End and buy off the shelf. Recently delivery times have gone to pot. Took 'em two years to deliver bronze port lights for Patience.

IanW.

Ian Wright
11-17-2000, 05:07 AM
Regretably, Daveys no longer retail. Not to worry, Classic Marine can supply all Daveys stock list.
Like most things in life it was better back when,,,,,, you could walk into Davey in ,,,,, um,,,,,, the East End and buy off the shelf. Recently delivery times have gone to pot. Took 'em two years to deliver bronze port lights for Patience.

IanW.

Ian Wright
11-17-2000, 05:07 AM
Regretably, Daveys no longer retail. Not to worry, Classic Marine can supply all Daveys stock list.
Like most things in life it was better back when,,,,,, you could walk into Davey in ,,,,, um,,,,,, the East End and buy off the shelf. Recently delivery times have gone to pot. Took 'em two years to deliver bronze port lights for Patience.

IanW.

dngoodchild
11-17-2000, 05:53 AM
I have misplaced my correspondence with the Tung Woo Navigation Light Manufactory in Hong Kong. Does anyone know if there is an international fax number directory? Is anyone out there in Hong Kong? Help!

dngoodchild
11-17-2000, 05:53 AM
I have misplaced my correspondence with the Tung Woo Navigation Light Manufactory in Hong Kong. Does anyone know if there is an international fax number directory? Is anyone out there in Hong Kong? Help!

dngoodchild
11-17-2000, 05:53 AM
I have misplaced my correspondence with the Tung Woo Navigation Light Manufactory in Hong Kong. Does anyone know if there is an international fax number directory? Is anyone out there in Hong Kong? Help!

ishmael
11-17-2000, 11:39 AM
This place never ceases to amaze me! One night I'm trading good natured insults with an Ozzy on the other side of the world and now, if I should want kerosene running lamps, Uoala! Amazing. Sorry, I'm still fairly new to this place and it is stunning when I stop and think about it.

ishmael
11-17-2000, 11:39 AM
This place never ceases to amaze me! One night I'm trading good natured insults with an Ozzy on the other side of the world and now, if I should want kerosene running lamps, Uoala! Amazing. Sorry, I'm still fairly new to this place and it is stunning when I stop and think about it.

ishmael
11-17-2000, 11:39 AM
This place never ceases to amaze me! One night I'm trading good natured insults with an Ozzy on the other side of the world and now, if I should want kerosene running lamps, Uoala! Amazing. Sorry, I'm still fairly new to this place and it is stunning when I stop and think about it.

Kermit
11-17-2000, 11:55 PM
Interesting comment from the ClassicMarine site:

"Nothing quite so handsome as oil-burning navigation lights, not to mention the benefits of reduced battery drain while at anchor or on passage. The ones offered here are fully boatworthy, not dodgy imitations aimed more at “Ye Olde Pubbe” market. But are they legal? My understanding is that when the relevant regulations were drawn up covering navigation lights, oil lights were omitted. So therefore oil lights do not contravene current regulations. (This is an argument which I know has been deployed successfully by at least two skippers of MSA registered vessels!)."

Kermit
11-17-2000, 11:55 PM
Interesting comment from the ClassicMarine site:

"Nothing quite so handsome as oil-burning navigation lights, not to mention the benefits of reduced battery drain while at anchor or on passage. The ones offered here are fully boatworthy, not dodgy imitations aimed more at “Ye Olde Pubbe” market. But are they legal? My understanding is that when the relevant regulations were drawn up covering navigation lights, oil lights were omitted. So therefore oil lights do not contravene current regulations. (This is an argument which I know has been deployed successfully by at least two skippers of MSA registered vessels!)."

Kermit
11-17-2000, 11:55 PM
Interesting comment from the ClassicMarine site:

"Nothing quite so handsome as oil-burning navigation lights, not to mention the benefits of reduced battery drain while at anchor or on passage. The ones offered here are fully boatworthy, not dodgy imitations aimed more at “Ye Olde Pubbe” market. But are they legal? My understanding is that when the relevant regulations were drawn up covering navigation lights, oil lights were omitted. So therefore oil lights do not contravene current regulations. (This is an argument which I know has been deployed successfully by at least two skippers of MSA registered vessels!)."

ACB
12-02-2002, 07:47 PM
Tung Woo closed down in 1998. The elderly couple who owned the business were offered silly money for the freehold of their premises, so they took it and retired to Canada. When asked "Why" they replied in one word - "Plastic!"

Incidentally, the reason for their continuing to make oil lights as well as electric for so long was a Hong Kong Marine Department regulalation requiring tugs and similar craft to carry oil lights as reserve navigation lights.

I've got a set - the oil ones came off a scrapped tug, and the matching electric ones I actually bought in their shop.

ACB
12-02-2002, 07:47 PM
Tung Woo closed down in 1998. The elderly couple who owned the business were offered silly money for the freehold of their premises, so they took it and retired to Canada. When asked "Why" they replied in one word - "Plastic!"

Incidentally, the reason for their continuing to make oil lights as well as electric for so long was a Hong Kong Marine Department regulalation requiring tugs and similar craft to carry oil lights as reserve navigation lights.

I've got a set - the oil ones came off a scrapped tug, and the matching electric ones I actually bought in their shop.

ACB
12-02-2002, 07:47 PM
Tung Woo closed down in 1998. The elderly couple who owned the business were offered silly money for the freehold of their premises, so they took it and retired to Canada. When asked "Why" they replied in one word - "Plastic!"

Incidentally, the reason for their continuing to make oil lights as well as electric for so long was a Hong Kong Marine Department regulalation requiring tugs and similar craft to carry oil lights as reserve navigation lights.

I've got a set - the oil ones came off a scrapped tug, and the matching electric ones I actually bought in their shop.

Thaddeus J. Van Gilder
12-03-2002, 10:28 AM
the oillights on IVY came from classic marine.
they were a fair price, and very high quality.
They work very well, as well.

Thad

Thaddeus J. Van Gilder
12-03-2002, 10:28 AM
the oillights on IVY came from classic marine.
they were a fair price, and very high quality.
They work very well, as well.

Thad

Thaddeus J. Van Gilder
12-03-2002, 10:28 AM
the oillights on IVY came from classic marine.
they were a fair price, and very high quality.
They work very well, as well.

Thad

David Tabor (sailordave)
12-03-2002, 10:48 AM
Hey RAMBLER, went the link you put up and got St. Joseph's Monastery Parish, although it also was in Baltimore! I think I remember the store you are writing about. South Seas China Trading company or something like that; used to be down in Fells Point right? My wife bought me an oil anchor lamp there about 15 years ago!

David Tabor (sailordave)
12-03-2002, 10:48 AM
Hey RAMBLER, went the link you put up and got St. Joseph's Monastery Parish, although it also was in Baltimore! I think I remember the store you are writing about. South Seas China Trading company or something like that; used to be down in Fells Point right? My wife bought me an oil anchor lamp there about 15 years ago!

David Tabor (sailordave)
12-03-2002, 10:48 AM
Hey RAMBLER, went the link you put up and got St. Joseph's Monastery Parish, although it also was in Baltimore! I think I remember the store you are writing about. South Seas China Trading company or something like that; used to be down in Fells Point right? My wife bought me an oil anchor lamp there about 15 years ago!

paladin
12-03-2002, 11:45 AM
..don't even consider oil burning oil lamps in U.S. waters in the Gulf of Mexico...and perhaps Mexico also..they were looking at the situation...Too many oil fires and explosions.
The offshore drilling rigs release natural gas into the atmosphere and no wind cool nights let the gas hug the water....all ya need izz a spark....

paladin
12-03-2002, 11:45 AM
..don't even consider oil burning oil lamps in U.S. waters in the Gulf of Mexico...and perhaps Mexico also..they were looking at the situation...Too many oil fires and explosions.
The offshore drilling rigs release natural gas into the atmosphere and no wind cool nights let the gas hug the water....all ya need izz a spark....

paladin
12-03-2002, 11:45 AM
..don't even consider oil burning oil lamps in U.S. waters in the Gulf of Mexico...and perhaps Mexico also..they were looking at the situation...Too many oil fires and explosions.
The offshore drilling rigs release natural gas into the atmosphere and no wind cool nights let the gas hug the water....all ya need izz a spark....

kria
12-04-2002, 03:35 PM
Better give up smoking around there aswell!

Ian

kria
12-04-2002, 03:35 PM
Better give up smoking around there aswell!

Ian

kria
12-04-2002, 03:35 PM
Better give up smoking around there aswell!

Ian

Bill Perkins
12-06-2002, 08:44 PM
Here's a brief correspondence I had with the Coast Guard awhile back concerning the legality of oil lights . Their answer is shown first .

Non-electric lights (i.e. kerosene lanterns) are permissible as longs as
they are substantially as bright and have the same arc of visibility as
would be required of electrical lights.

Navigate Safely,

U.S. Coast Guard
Navigation Safety Team
Office of Vessel Traffic Management
http://www.uscg.mil/vtm/pages/rules.htm


-----Original Message-----
From: wbperkins@mindspring.com [mailto:wbperkins@mindspring.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 5:13 PM
To: fldr-G-MWV@comdt.uscg.mil
Subject: USCG NavRules Web Inquiry Email


The Question about Navigation Rules (Alternative compliance) from
http://www.uscg.mil/vtm/pages/rules.htm is:

"My interest is in the rules as they apply to sailboats less
than 12 meters long .

Annex l , #11 . "INTENSITY OF NON-ELECTRIC LIGHTS : Non-electric
lights shall as far as practicable comply with the minimum
intensities , as specified in the Table given in section 8 of
this annex ."

My Handbook of the Nautical Rules ( 1991 ), written by two former
CG officials , interpret this as follows : " Lanterns useing oil ,
kerosene , and such for their light source do not have to meet
the intensity requirements of Annex l if not " practicable ."
Operators must adjust the flame to an optimal level , however ,
and keep the lenses clean ."

My question is , is this still the understanding in the USCG ? Are
oil lamps recoginized as legal Inland and offshore ? Specifically , I
use an oil anchor light to conserve power on my small sailboat
."

Submitted by:

Mr. Bill Perkins
1015 Wa****a Ave.
Atlanta, Ga 30307

Telephone:
Occupation:

Bill Perkins
12-06-2002, 08:44 PM
Here's a brief correspondence I had with the Coast Guard awhile back concerning the legality of oil lights . Their answer is shown first .

Non-electric lights (i.e. kerosene lanterns) are permissible as longs as
they are substantially as bright and have the same arc of visibility as
would be required of electrical lights.

Navigate Safely,

U.S. Coast Guard
Navigation Safety Team
Office of Vessel Traffic Management
http://www.uscg.mil/vtm/pages/rules.htm


-----Original Message-----
From: wbperkins@mindspring.com [mailto:wbperkins@mindspring.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 5:13 PM
To: fldr-G-MWV@comdt.uscg.mil
Subject: USCG NavRules Web Inquiry Email


The Question about Navigation Rules (Alternative compliance) from
http://www.uscg.mil/vtm/pages/rules.htm is:

"My interest is in the rules as they apply to sailboats less
than 12 meters long .

Annex l , #11 . "INTENSITY OF NON-ELECTRIC LIGHTS : Non-electric
lights shall as far as practicable comply with the minimum
intensities , as specified in the Table given in section 8 of
this annex ."

My Handbook of the Nautical Rules ( 1991 ), written by two former
CG officials , interpret this as follows : " Lanterns useing oil ,
kerosene , and such for their light source do not have to meet
the intensity requirements of Annex l if not " practicable ."
Operators must adjust the flame to an optimal level , however ,
and keep the lenses clean ."

My question is , is this still the understanding in the USCG ? Are
oil lamps recoginized as legal Inland and offshore ? Specifically , I
use an oil anchor light to conserve power on my small sailboat
."

Submitted by:

Mr. Bill Perkins
1015 Wa****a Ave.
Atlanta, Ga 30307

Telephone:
Occupation:

Bill Perkins
12-06-2002, 08:44 PM
Here's a brief correspondence I had with the Coast Guard awhile back concerning the legality of oil lights . Their answer is shown first .

Non-electric lights (i.e. kerosene lanterns) are permissible as longs as
they are substantially as bright and have the same arc of visibility as
would be required of electrical lights.

Navigate Safely,

U.S. Coast Guard
Navigation Safety Team
Office of Vessel Traffic Management
http://www.uscg.mil/vtm/pages/rules.htm


-----Original Message-----
From: wbperkins@mindspring.com [mailto:wbperkins@mindspring.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 5:13 PM
To: fldr-G-MWV@comdt.uscg.mil
Subject: USCG NavRules Web Inquiry Email


The Question about Navigation Rules (Alternative compliance) from
http://www.uscg.mil/vtm/pages/rules.htm is:

"My interest is in the rules as they apply to sailboats less
than 12 meters long .

Annex l , #11 . "INTENSITY OF NON-ELECTRIC LIGHTS : Non-electric
lights shall as far as practicable comply with the minimum
intensities , as specified in the Table given in section 8 of
this annex ."

My Handbook of the Nautical Rules ( 1991 ), written by two former
CG officials , interpret this as follows : " Lanterns useing oil ,
kerosene , and such for their light source do not have to meet
the intensity requirements of Annex l if not " practicable ."
Operators must adjust the flame to an optimal level , however ,
and keep the lenses clean ."

My question is , is this still the understanding in the USCG ? Are
oil lamps recoginized as legal Inland and offshore ? Specifically , I
use an oil anchor light to conserve power on my small sailboat
."

Submitted by:

Mr. Bill Perkins
1015 Wa****a Ave.
Atlanta, Ga 30307

Telephone:
Occupation:

Meerkat
12-09-2002, 12:07 AM
I thought for awhile that oil (kerosene) fired nav lamps where no longer legal, but did some research and found that the current regs do allow for them exactly as the previous post mentions.

The Pardeys talk about how they modify them with a double chimney, put foil behind them to enhance light output and half fill the resevoir with cotton wool to prevent sloshing that can cause them to go out. They don't offer specifics about the double chimney though.

[ 12-09-2002, 12:08 AM: Message edited by: Meerkat ]

Meerkat
12-09-2002, 12:07 AM
I thought for awhile that oil (kerosene) fired nav lamps where no longer legal, but did some research and found that the current regs do allow for them exactly as the previous post mentions.

The Pardeys talk about how they modify them with a double chimney, put foil behind them to enhance light output and half fill the resevoir with cotton wool to prevent sloshing that can cause them to go out. They don't offer specifics about the double chimney though.

[ 12-09-2002, 12:08 AM: Message edited by: Meerkat ]

Meerkat
12-09-2002, 12:07 AM
I thought for awhile that oil (kerosene) fired nav lamps where no longer legal, but did some research and found that the current regs do allow for them exactly as the previous post mentions.

The Pardeys talk about how they modify them with a double chimney, put foil behind them to enhance light output and half fill the resevoir with cotton wool to prevent sloshing that can cause them to go out. They don't offer specifics about the double chimney though.

[ 12-09-2002, 12:08 AM: Message edited by: Meerkat ]