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Gerarddm
06-28-2014, 11:03 AM
100 years ago, today.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/28/opinion/if-franz-ferdinand-had-lived.html?rref=homepage&module=Ribbon&version=origin&region=Header&action=click&contentCollection=Home%20Page&pgtype=article

Paul Pless
06-28-2014, 11:06 AM
Michael Freund described Franz Ferdinand as "a man of uninspired energy, dark in appearance and emotion, who radiated an aura of strangeness and cast a shadow of violence and recklessness ... a true personality amidst the amiable inanity that characterized Austrian society at this time." As his sometime admirer Karl Kraus put it, "he was not one who would greet you ... he felt no compulsion to reach out for the unexplored region which the Viennese call their heart."

Arizona Bay
06-28-2014, 11:16 AM
I'm reading the "Guns of August" (Tuchman) at the moment... no one believed it could happen.

Resentments haven't been let go of yet.


Jun 27, 1:40 PM EDT


Bosnian Serbs erect statue to man who ignited WWI
By AIDA CERKEZ
Associated Press
SARAJEVO, Bosnia-Herzegovina (AP) -- Marking the eve of the centennial of the beginning of World War I in their own way, Bosnian Serbs on Friday unveiled a monument in their part of Sarajevo to the man who ignited the war by assassinating the Austro-Hungarian crown prince on June 28, 1914.

At the other end of the city, the Vienna Philharmonic orchestra was rehearsing for Saturday's grand EU-sponsored performance, planned as a symbolic start of a new century of peace at the place where the century of wars in Europe started 100 years ago.

The two separate events testify to the depth of lingering divisions in Bosnia-Herzegovina, where one side performed works of Austrian, German and French composers in a salute to European integration while the other celebrated the man who assassinated the emperor's heir as a national hero.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_BOSNIA_WWI_MONUMENT?SITE=WCNC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Kevin T
06-28-2014, 11:21 AM
Then again he could have reincarnated into an early "oughts" pop boy band. ;):rolleyes:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijk4j-r7qPA&list=AL94UKMTqg-9AyWiieNvC4dyX3_VDbac7j

Keith Wilson
06-28-2014, 11:23 AM
In hindsight, I think Franz Ferdinand's death was just the thing that set it off; it it hadn't been that it would have been something else. Too many guys smoking cigars around the tub of gasoline at that point.

Lew Barrett
06-28-2014, 11:38 AM
For adult viewers. (http://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2014/06/real-time-new-rules-wwi-iraq)

Arizona Bay
06-28-2014, 11:50 AM
In hindsight, I think Franz Ferdinand's death was just the thing that set it off; it it hadn't been that it would have been something else. Too many guys smoking cigars around the tub of gasoline at that point.

Germany in particular was waiting for an 'incident'.
"Encirclement!"
"Blood and iron"

"We must secure to German nationality and German spirit throughout the globe that high esteem which is due them... and has hitherto been withheld from them." Fredrich von Bernhardi

Gerarddm
06-28-2014, 12:43 PM
Gavrilo Princip, by the way, proudly self-identified as a terrorist, using that exact word. He was unrepentant to his death by TB in 1918, languishing in jail.

S.V. Airlie
06-28-2014, 12:47 PM
Gavrilo Princip, by the way, proudly self-identified as a terrorist, using that exact word. He was unrepentant to his death by TB in 1918, languishing in jail.That's one way NOT to be conscripted!:)

skuthorp
06-28-2014, 04:23 PM
In hindsight, I think Franz Ferdinand's death was just the thing that set it off; it it hadn't been that it would have been something else. Too many guys smoking cigars around the tub of gasoline at that point.
I agree, Austria would just have found another excuse, and the German command were also itching for a war. The Kaiser was not in total control of his military.

Paul Pless
06-28-2014, 04:35 PM
:D ....