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W Hersey
07-18-2003, 03:52 PM
I don't want another diesel in the bilge, more holes in the hull, etc. and have always had great luck with a cruising generator (110V AC) running off the main by belt.

AMANTE has an economical 4 cyl. diesel main, 110 V frig,freezer and hot water. Now I can get along without this stuff, and have many times on many boats. But it's there and it's nice. Her interior lighting is 12V, and she has an inverter which sucks the new batteries dry (8 6V golf carts) and is never used.

On two previous boats we ran cruising generators and they were bulltproof. Run the main for an hour in the afternoon, charge the banks and cold plates, heat the water. One boat had a 12 KW Kohler genny that was never used except for ballast.

So where do I find such a thing? I've called the usual waterfront suspects and they all want to sell me a $5,000 + genset, never having heard of what I describe (Hmmmmm....). I tried an inland electrical supply outfit that came with good recommendations, and over the phone he came up with a catalogue item: 8KW , 1350 RPM, suitable for marine use, 12" X 18" X 20" 160 lbs. Price: $800. But is it REALLY for "marine use?"

I'd appreciate any knowledge of these things, or any ideas. The object it to keep a simple engine room and simple systems, something in which I've come to believe with all my heart! The inverter/battery bank solution means big alternators powered by some sort of engine anyway -- and they are just plain ineffiecient. Two dock neighbors are having that experience.

Looking forward to any and all...

Bill

[ 07-18-2003, 04:01 PM: Message edited by: W Hersey ]

W Hersey
07-18-2003, 03:52 PM
I don't want another diesel in the bilge, more holes in the hull, etc. and have always had great luck with a cruising generator (110V AC) running off the main by belt.

AMANTE has an economical 4 cyl. diesel main, 110 V frig,freezer and hot water. Now I can get along without this stuff, and have many times on many boats. But it's there and it's nice. Her interior lighting is 12V, and she has an inverter which sucks the new batteries dry (8 6V golf carts) and is never used.

On two previous boats we ran cruising generators and they were bulltproof. Run the main for an hour in the afternoon, charge the banks and cold plates, heat the water. One boat had a 12 KW Kohler genny that was never used except for ballast.

So where do I find such a thing? I've called the usual waterfront suspects and they all want to sell me a $5,000 + genset, never having heard of what I describe (Hmmmmm....). I tried an inland electrical supply outfit that came with good recommendations, and over the phone he came up with a catalogue item: 8KW , 1350 RPM, suitable for marine use, 12" X 18" X 20" 160 lbs. Price: $800. But is it REALLY for "marine use?"

I'd appreciate any knowledge of these things, or any ideas. The object it to keep a simple engine room and simple systems, something in which I've come to believe with all my heart! The inverter/battery bank solution means big alternators powered by some sort of engine anyway -- and they are just plain ineffiecient. Two dock neighbors are having that experience.

Looking forward to any and all...

Bill

[ 07-18-2003, 04:01 PM: Message edited by: W Hersey ]

W Hersey
07-18-2003, 03:52 PM
I don't want another diesel in the bilge, more holes in the hull, etc. and have always had great luck with a cruising generator (110V AC) running off the main by belt.

AMANTE has an economical 4 cyl. diesel main, 110 V frig,freezer and hot water. Now I can get along without this stuff, and have many times on many boats. But it's there and it's nice. Her interior lighting is 12V, and she has an inverter which sucks the new batteries dry (8 6V golf carts) and is never used.

On two previous boats we ran cruising generators and they were bulltproof. Run the main for an hour in the afternoon, charge the banks and cold plates, heat the water. One boat had a 12 KW Kohler genny that was never used except for ballast.

So where do I find such a thing? I've called the usual waterfront suspects and they all want to sell me a $5,000 + genset, never having heard of what I describe (Hmmmmm....). I tried an inland electrical supply outfit that came with good recommendations, and over the phone he came up with a catalogue item: 8KW , 1350 RPM, suitable for marine use, 12" X 18" X 20" 160 lbs. Price: $800. But is it REALLY for "marine use?"

I'd appreciate any knowledge of these things, or any ideas. The object it to keep a simple engine room and simple systems, something in which I've come to believe with all my heart! The inverter/battery bank solution means big alternators powered by some sort of engine anyway -- and they are just plain ineffiecient. Two dock neighbors are having that experience.

Looking forward to any and all...

Bill

[ 07-18-2003, 04:01 PM: Message edited by: W Hersey ]

Leon Steyns
07-18-2003, 05:22 PM
I'm no expert on electrical systems, but 12kW and 8kW...? What kind of boat sizes are we talking here? My average yearly consumption of electricity is 1960kWh... I'd consider a 3kW generator suitable as a back-up unit for my house.
Just a thought...

That $800 for a new 8kW unit is not a bad deal.

Greets, Leon Steyns.

Leon Steyns
07-18-2003, 05:22 PM
I'm no expert on electrical systems, but 12kW and 8kW...? What kind of boat sizes are we talking here? My average yearly consumption of electricity is 1960kWh... I'd consider a 3kW generator suitable as a back-up unit for my house.
Just a thought...

That $800 for a new 8kW unit is not a bad deal.

Greets, Leon Steyns.

Leon Steyns
07-18-2003, 05:22 PM
I'm no expert on electrical systems, but 12kW and 8kW...? What kind of boat sizes are we talking here? My average yearly consumption of electricity is 1960kWh... I'd consider a 3kW generator suitable as a back-up unit for my house.
Just a thought...

That $800 for a new 8kW unit is not a bad deal.

Greets, Leon Steyns.

blisspacket
07-18-2003, 09:26 PM
I've seen a Honda EU2000 pump a Heart inverter to 80 amps into the batteries. (The 12v output however is only 8 or ten amps). More than likely it can handle your refrig. No plumbing, readily ferried to your buddy with dead batteries, and $930 out the door with warranties. And quiet. And doesn't heat the belowdecks.... for what more could one axe??

blisspacket
07-18-2003, 09:26 PM
I've seen a Honda EU2000 pump a Heart inverter to 80 amps into the batteries. (The 12v output however is only 8 or ten amps). More than likely it can handle your refrig. No plumbing, readily ferried to your buddy with dead batteries, and $930 out the door with warranties. And quiet. And doesn't heat the belowdecks.... for what more could one axe??

blisspacket
07-18-2003, 09:26 PM
I've seen a Honda EU2000 pump a Heart inverter to 80 amps into the batteries. (The 12v output however is only 8 or ten amps). More than likely it can handle your refrig. No plumbing, readily ferried to your buddy with dead batteries, and $930 out the door with warranties. And quiet. And doesn't heat the belowdecks.... for what more could one axe??

Mike Vogdes
07-18-2003, 09:43 PM
I know this isn't what your really looking for but I couldn't resist.

http://theepicenter.com/tow082099.html

I do recall a AC generating unit called "Sea Power" a few years back that did run off your v-belt on your diesel engine. Did a quick search on the net but couldn't find anything, I think they where located in Dallas Texas. They also made a unit for rescue squads and fire depts that could be mounted in the trucks, rumor had it that it was the same as the marine version less the marine price tag.

Mike Vogdes
07-18-2003, 09:43 PM
I know this isn't what your really looking for but I couldn't resist.

http://theepicenter.com/tow082099.html

I do recall a AC generating unit called "Sea Power" a few years back that did run off your v-belt on your diesel engine. Did a quick search on the net but couldn't find anything, I think they where located in Dallas Texas. They also made a unit for rescue squads and fire depts that could be mounted in the trucks, rumor had it that it was the same as the marine version less the marine price tag.

Mike Vogdes
07-18-2003, 09:43 PM
I know this isn't what your really looking for but I couldn't resist.

http://theepicenter.com/tow082099.html

I do recall a AC generating unit called "Sea Power" a few years back that did run off your v-belt on your diesel engine. Did a quick search on the net but couldn't find anything, I think they where located in Dallas Texas. They also made a unit for rescue squads and fire depts that could be mounted in the trucks, rumor had it that it was the same as the marine version less the marine price tag.

paladin
07-18-2003, 11:32 PM
I will do some searching over the weekend...I did this for someone else not too long ago.......

paladin
07-18-2003, 11:32 PM
I will do some searching over the weekend...I did this for someone else not too long ago.......

paladin
07-18-2003, 11:32 PM
I will do some searching over the weekend...I did this for someone else not too long ago.......

MarkC
07-19-2003, 06:50 AM
Check out the new Honda generators - red, fully portable with handle etc. used for recharging the batteries in vessels with electrical propulsion systems.

MarkC
07-19-2003, 06:50 AM
Check out the new Honda generators - red, fully portable with handle etc. used for recharging the batteries in vessels with electrical propulsion systems.

MarkC
07-19-2003, 06:50 AM
Check out the new Honda generators - red, fully portable with handle etc. used for recharging the batteries in vessels with electrical propulsion systems.

W Hersey
07-20-2003, 02:15 PM
The Hondas are great pieces of equipment, but that means 2 types pf fuel carried on board (gasoline and diesel) fuel transfers/fumes, etc. Also, where is it stowed underway. My insurance people would not be happy. The other problem, still, with the Hondas is noise at anchor.

I know these generators exist. I'm going up to see the one I mentioned and will report back.

Paladin, thanks for the effort. Can't wait to see what you find, as I've had little luck with cyber-searching.

W Hersey
07-20-2003, 02:15 PM
The Hondas are great pieces of equipment, but that means 2 types pf fuel carried on board (gasoline and diesel) fuel transfers/fumes, etc. Also, where is it stowed underway. My insurance people would not be happy. The other problem, still, with the Hondas is noise at anchor.

I know these generators exist. I'm going up to see the one I mentioned and will report back.

Paladin, thanks for the effort. Can't wait to see what you find, as I've had little luck with cyber-searching.

W Hersey
07-20-2003, 02:15 PM
The Hondas are great pieces of equipment, but that means 2 types pf fuel carried on board (gasoline and diesel) fuel transfers/fumes, etc. Also, where is it stowed underway. My insurance people would not be happy. The other problem, still, with the Hondas is noise at anchor.

I know these generators exist. I'm going up to see the one I mentioned and will report back.

Paladin, thanks for the effort. Can't wait to see what you find, as I've had little luck with cyber-searching.

Meerkat
07-20-2003, 03:37 PM
http://www.amplepower.com/ is a seminal reference for boat/remote power supply information/products.
You might also find http://www.marineelectrics.org/ of use.

I'm not exactly clear on what you want, but it sounds like you're looking for a way to make electricity off your engine at the same time you're chilling down the reefer. http://www.balmar.net is a maker of high output marine alternators - and they cost!

If you want 110V, as I understand it, current practice is to use an inverter such as those made by Heart, Trace and Statpower (all subsidiaries of xantrex: http://www.xantrex.com/index.asp). They also cost $$$. (From my reading, most people do not recommend generationg nothing but 110v. It is more economical to generate 12/24v and invert up to 110v for those times and applications when you need it.)

From my research in general (for my own interests), I've discovered that making electrictiy at sea, using marine rated components, is not at all cheap. By the time you buy an alternator, batteries, charger, inverter and regulator/controller, you can easily blow $2,000 for a modest system.

http://www.fisheriessupply.com/online/ is a good place to buy such goodies by mail. Their website leaves much to be desired, but their $5 catalog is a treasure (small phone book sized)! You have to call them to get their discount prices.

[ 07-20-2003, 03:52 PM: Message edited by: Meerkat ]

Meerkat
07-20-2003, 03:37 PM
http://www.amplepower.com/ is a seminal reference for boat/remote power supply information/products.
You might also find http://www.marineelectrics.org/ of use.

I'm not exactly clear on what you want, but it sounds like you're looking for a way to make electricity off your engine at the same time you're chilling down the reefer. http://www.balmar.net is a maker of high output marine alternators - and they cost!

If you want 110V, as I understand it, current practice is to use an inverter such as those made by Heart, Trace and Statpower (all subsidiaries of xantrex: http://www.xantrex.com/index.asp). They also cost $$$. (From my reading, most people do not recommend generationg nothing but 110v. It is more economical to generate 12/24v and invert up to 110v for those times and applications when you need it.)

From my research in general (for my own interests), I've discovered that making electrictiy at sea, using marine rated components, is not at all cheap. By the time you buy an alternator, batteries, charger, inverter and regulator/controller, you can easily blow $2,000 for a modest system.

http://www.fisheriessupply.com/online/ is a good place to buy such goodies by mail. Their website leaves much to be desired, but their $5 catalog is a treasure (small phone book sized)! You have to call them to get their discount prices.

[ 07-20-2003, 03:52 PM: Message edited by: Meerkat ]

Meerkat
07-20-2003, 03:37 PM
http://www.amplepower.com/ is a seminal reference for boat/remote power supply information/products.
You might also find http://www.marineelectrics.org/ of use.

I'm not exactly clear on what you want, but it sounds like you're looking for a way to make electricity off your engine at the same time you're chilling down the reefer. http://www.balmar.net is a maker of high output marine alternators - and they cost!

If you want 110V, as I understand it, current practice is to use an inverter such as those made by Heart, Trace and Statpower (all subsidiaries of xantrex: http://www.xantrex.com/index.asp). They also cost $$$. (From my reading, most people do not recommend generationg nothing but 110v. It is more economical to generate 12/24v and invert up to 110v for those times and applications when you need it.)

From my research in general (for my own interests), I've discovered that making electrictiy at sea, using marine rated components, is not at all cheap. By the time you buy an alternator, batteries, charger, inverter and regulator/controller, you can easily blow $2,000 for a modest system.

http://www.fisheriessupply.com/online/ is a good place to buy such goodies by mail. Their website leaves much to be desired, but their $5 catalog is a treasure (small phone book sized)! You have to call them to get their discount prices.

[ 07-20-2003, 03:52 PM: Message edited by: Meerkat ]

hm
08-17-2003, 06:49 AM
how about this - 220V can be converted to 110V (http://www.dynawatt.com/)

hm
08-17-2003, 06:49 AM
how about this - 220V can be converted to 110V (http://www.dynawatt.com/)

hm
08-17-2003, 06:49 AM
how about this - 220V can be converted to 110V (http://www.dynawatt.com/)