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Gerarddm
04-14-2014, 05:58 PM
Idjits. Looks like they haven't hear of Sea Sparrow. That guy and his pal would be instant toast in war time...

http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-russian-jet-passes-near-us-warship-155042130--politics.html

Paul Pless
04-14-2014, 06:43 PM
In the first public account of the incident, the officials said the Russian Fencer made 12 passes, and flew within 1,000 yards (900 meters) of the USS Donald Cook, a Navy destroyer, at about 500 feet (150 meters) above sea level.
Idjits. Looks like they haven't hear of Sea Sparrow. That guy and his pal would be instant toast in war time...At 1000 yards they were well within the three mile range of the Phalanx Close in Weapons System. After his second flyby, it had to be painfully obvious everything else he did was a bluff. Bet you his in cockpit alarms for being tracked by our radar and laser targeting systems were going bat**** crazy!

LeeG
04-14-2014, 08:07 PM
Oh heck we were in their backyard, imagine a russian ship in the gulf of California

Old Dryfoot
04-14-2014, 08:16 PM
Oh heck we were in their backyard, imagine a russian ship in the gulf of California

Pretty much my first thought on hearing about this.

Canoez
04-14-2014, 08:44 PM
You can be sure that if that SU-24 lit up their own fire
control radar, that crew would have been swimming in the Black Sea.

Waddie
04-14-2014, 08:45 PM
Why are we provoking the Russians?

regards,
Waddie

JBreeze
04-14-2014, 09:20 PM
Anyone know why CIA director Brennan was "secretly" in Kiev over the weekend?

a) Giving tips to Victoria Nuland?
b) Bringing freedom to the Ukrainians?
c) Looking for tall blonds who like a good time?
d) Other?

Too Little Time
04-14-2014, 09:25 PM
You can be sure that if that SU-24 lit up their own fire
control radar, that crew would have been swimming in the Black Sea.

Thes plane was unarmed (according to the report).

I suspect if the plane went down, the boat would have had a tough time of it.

john welsford
04-15-2014, 12:50 AM
International waters, but very much in Russia's backyard, imagine the screams of outrage if a Russian ship was mooching around just outside the sea border off say, New York. You can bet that there would be US air overhead fulltime.

John Welsford

Gerarddm
04-15-2014, 12:55 AM
Yes, John, but there have been US/Russian protocols governing this kind of thing for some time now. This kind of close flyby is not on the approved agenda. Bad juju on some junior commander's part, I think.

If a Russian ship was parked outside of New York City we would keep an eye on it without being provocative.

obscured by clouds
04-15-2014, 03:41 AM
Instinct?

More like Habit

willmarsh3
04-15-2014, 08:37 AM
There was a Russian warship in Cuba recently.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/02/27/russia-cuba-warship/5876249/

Close enough?

Jim Mahan
04-15-2014, 09:19 AM
Both sides have done this sort of thing in various places around the globe with each other, and others, since at least the forties. The Chinese Nationalists flying the fighters we gave them, would cross the Strait from Taiwan, begin a routine fly up off the coast and dive and fly a ferret flight up a river valley at tree top. The point is to dial-in the radar and reporting of the other side. We're monitoring all their flights and all their airfields 24/7 already and have an accurate assessment of pretty much all of their deployments, real-time.

Agree with the assessment that, had the navy decided to, they could have toasted the jet easily. But don't underestimate the technical prowess of the Russians. Things may have changed in the time since I was privvy to these kinds of details (duh) but back then at least, the Soviets fighters and weapons and such were just about at par with us. If people start actually pulling the trigger, it would be bad for both sides, not a one-sided affair like Desert Storm, frinstance.

Keith Wilson
04-15-2014, 09:25 AM
Boys playing with boats and airplanes.