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genglandoh
04-09-2014, 04:49 PM
I think Doctors should get paid more.

What do your think?

S/V Laura Ellen
04-09-2014, 04:57 PM
I think Doctors should get paid more.

What do your think?

Why would you ask this?
Do you think cab drivers and airline pilots should be paid the same?

wardd
04-09-2014, 05:06 PM
what if it's a male nurse and female doctor?

seanz
04-09-2014, 05:07 PM
what if it's a male nurse and female doctor?

That's just unnatural.

Keith Wilson
04-09-2014, 05:16 PM
Sure, doctors should get paid more. How much more? Comparison across countries is interesting. This is for 2011, but missing data on doctors in the US, oddly. (source (http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/gov_glance-2011-en/06/02/index.html?itemId=/content/chapter/gov_glance-2011-32-en))

http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/gov_glance-2011-en/images/graphics/gvi-26-01.gif

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/07/15/business/economy/GPpay.jpg

Another question is the widely varying compensation between various medical specialties.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2013/05/24/business/24may-economist-reinhardt1/24may-economist-reinhardt1-blog480.jpg

AnalogKid
04-09-2014, 05:28 PM
The number for NZ seem a little light, how old is the data, and what was the exchange rate at the time I wonder.

I also wonder why there is no GP data for Ireland. We had a fine GP for our first few years in NZ, but then he moved to Ireland. I doubt the move was financially motivated, but looking at the rate Irish specialists get maybe the finances helped the decision.

As for the original question - I think healthcare workers should be remunerated in line with the level of skill and training, and you don't need to go to med school to push a trolley so of course there should be grades. I also think that most nurses are underpaid and the system takes advantage of the vocational calling the most dedicated nurses have. OT but the same goes for good teachers.

Mrleft8
04-09-2014, 05:29 PM
Are thank we should keel haul th' lot a 'em! Bastids, and scallywags tha bunch a they!
I arsar thank thart Benjineers sherd be payd less tan horehouse wenches!

Tom Montgomery
04-09-2014, 05:50 PM
Should attorneys and legal secretaries be paid the same? How about airline pilots and flight attendants?

So many questions and so little time....

htom
04-09-2014, 05:57 PM
Doctors and Nurses (and attorneys and legal secretaries) should be paid according to what they achieve for their clients, not by their job titles.

AnalogKid
04-09-2014, 06:26 PM
Yeah, and lets only pay teachers if all their students get a pass grade in the end of year exams.

No sorry, htom, that is a quite ridiculous notion. Sometimes nothing can be achieved for a patient (I refuse to use the term 'client') but that's not for lack of trying or total dedication from the medical staff. Performance related pay only works when the employee has direct control over the performance metrics - factory piecework is a simple enough model for it to work, medicine is not.

Dan McCosh
04-09-2014, 06:42 PM
Last time I had an operation, I was just going under when I looked around the room at all the unnamed people around me and my last thought was if any one of them made a mistake, I probably would be dead.

Reynard38
04-09-2014, 07:21 PM
Should attorneys and legal secretaries be paid the same? How about airline pilots and flight attendants?

So many questions and so little time....

Some years ago I had a flight attendant say to me she should be paid the same as a pilot. I asked her when she filled out her application why didn't she check the "pilot" box instead of "Flight attendant"
She responded she didn't have the necessary qualifications to be a pilot.
I turned around and resumed my preflight duties.
Further conversation would have been a wasted effort.

S.V. Airlie
04-09-2014, 07:23 PM
No! Bad example geng. Firstly education and the number of years training to be a doc vs. a nurse getting a BS I think and passes an exam. Can't compare the two..

AnalogKid
04-09-2014, 07:33 PM
Oh, is this about the paycheck fairness act.

So the assumption is that a female medical worker must be a nurse and a male medical worker must be a doctor. You see that is so far from being a valid assumption that I never even considered it.

I spent a lot of time visiting hospital a couple of weeks ago. I saw my partner being attended to by a roughly even split in male/female nurses, and probably the same for orderlies. Her assigned doctor was male, but the specialist that reviewed her results before discharging her was a female. I did see an imbalance of female staff on the hospital reception desk though, about 3:1 I think.

Mrleft8
04-09-2014, 07:37 PM
Some years ago I had a flight attendant say to me she should be paid the same as a pilot. I asked her when she filled out her application why didn't she check the "pilot" box instead of "Flight attendant"
She responded she didn't have the necessary qualifications to be a pilot.
I turned around and resumed my preflight duties.
Further conversation would have been a wasted effort.
Yup. And I bet you couldn't pass FA training first try either.
Almost anyone can be taught to run a machine, not everyone can work with the traveling public..... Myself included.... (Some days more especially than others)

SMARTINSEN
04-09-2014, 07:40 PM
What do your think?


I think that your original question is utterly lame, and not at all pertinent to the discussion of equal pay for equal work.

An RN is usually a 2 year Associate's degree.
An MD is 4 years of college and 4 years of medical school, and then internship.

Do you think they are equivalent and justify equal pay?

???

This is moronic.

AnalogKid
04-09-2014, 08:19 PM
I think the question is so incredibly lame that I now assume that Graham from England, Ohio is actually a liberal troll.

He posies as a right-wing provocateur but actually posts endless inanities simply to further reinforce the 'celebration of stupid' meme.

There is only one possible alternative, but that's too insulting to consider.

Reynard38
04-09-2014, 10:22 PM
Yup. And I bet you couldn't pass FA training first try either.
Almost anyone can be taught to run a machine, not everyone can work with the traveling public..... Myself included.... (Some days more especially than others)

I guess that's why I didn't check flight attendant on the application, I mean all I do is run a machine.

LeeG
04-09-2014, 11:13 PM
I think the question is so incredibly lame that I now assume that Graham from England, Ohio is actually a liberal troll.

He posies as a right-wing provocateur but actually posts endless inanities simply to further reinforce the 'celebration of stupid' meme.

There is only one possible alternative, but that's too insulting to consider.

A mystery but I believe he is what he is, as was Karen.

Gerarddm
04-10-2014, 12:53 AM
The thread title sort of reminds me of Bill Cosby's immortal ' Why is there air?".

Or as Dan Akroyd said in 'Ghostbusters': " is this a trick question?"

slug
04-10-2014, 01:12 AM
Sure , why not. Its only fair. Everyone needs cash. . Have you seen the price of a haircut these days ? Ive been getting estimates all week...its robbery .

Chris Coose
04-10-2014, 06:00 AM
I hope you tip your abortion Doc when you get one done.

slug
04-10-2014, 06:17 AM
People like pilots or doctors get paid well because they are
gods with the power of life or death. A cheap pilot could drive his plane load of tourists right into a mountain.

one of the reasons why the operators of nuclear power plants get paid so much is that they control the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. One spilled diet coke on the control levers and poof...the whole city vaporizes.

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PeterSibley
04-10-2014, 06:21 AM
I've always thought that if your work is stimulating and interesting and your working conditions comfortable you should be paid less than someone who if forced to perform boring and repetitive work in horrid conditions.

The market doesn't agree of course .

slug
04-10-2014, 06:26 AM
.i know people who make a great wedge of cash doing mindless jobs like sales and they are deeply unhappy . I know folks pushing a paint brush at the shipyard for minimum wage and they love life.

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Bernadette
04-11-2014, 09:50 AM
i would like to get paid more for the work i do. some of my colleagues who are also remote area nurses, get paid more than i but they work in a different state, for a govt health department and the conditions of service are different. i would not expect to get paid the same as a doctor although i achieve probably the same outcomes in many instances.